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The Islamic World Doesn't Need a Reformation
Why a Muslim John Locke would be much more useful than a Muslim Martin Luther

MUSTAFA AKYOL
OCTOBER 31, 2017

Muslim pilgrims rest in front of a mural depicting the Kaaba in the Grand Mosque during the haj pilgrimage.
Muslim pilgrims rest in front of a mural depicting the Kaaba in the Grand Mosque during the haj pilgrimage.MOHAMMED SALEM / REUTERS



Various Western intellectuals, ranging from Thomas Friedman to Ayaan Hirsi Ali, have argued over the past decades that Muslims need their own Martin Luther to save themselves from intolerance and dogmatism. The Protestant Reformation that Luther triggered exactly 500 years ago, these intellectuals suggest, can serve as a model for a potential Muslim Reformation. But is there such a connection between the Reformation in Christendom and the “reform” that is arguably needed in Islam?

To start with, it’s worth recalling that Islam, in the form of the Ottoman Empire, helped Protestantism succeed and survive. In the 16th century, much of Europe was dominated by the Holy Roman Empire, which had ample means to crush the Protestant heretics. But the same Catholic empire was also constantly threatened and kept busy by “the Turks” whose own empire-building inadvertently helped the Protestants. “The Turk was the lightning rod that drew off the tempest,” noted J. A. Wylie in his classic, History of Protestantism. “Thus did Christ cover His little flock with the shield of the Moslem.”

More importantly, some early Protestants, desperately seeking religious freedom for themselves, found inspiration for that in the Ottoman Empire, which was then more tolerant to religious plurality than were most Catholic kingdoms. Jean Bodin, himself a Catholic but a critical one, openly admired this fact. “The great empereour of the Turks,” the political philosopher wrote in the 1580s, “detesteth not the straunge religion of others; but to the contrarie permitteth every man to live according to his conscience.” That is why Luther himself had written about Protestants who “want the Turk to come and rule because they think our German people are wild and uncivilized.”

Surely those days are long gone. The great upheavals that began in the West with the Protestant Reformation ultimately led to the Enlightenment, liberalism, and the modern-day liberal democracy—along with the darker fruits of modernity such as fascism and communism. Meanwhile, the pre-modern tolerance of the Muslim world did not evolve into a system of equal rights and liberties. Quite the contrary, it got diminished by currents of militant nationalism and religious fundamentalism that began to see non-Muslims as enemies within. That is why it is the freedom-seeking Muslims today who look at the other civilization, the West, admiring that it does “permitteth every man to live according to his conscience.”


And that is also why there are people today, especially in the West, who think that “a Muslim Martin Luther” is desperately needed. Yet as good-willed as they may be, they are wrong. Because while Luther’s main legacy was the breakup of the Catholic Church’s monopoly over Western Christianity, Islam has no such monopoly that needs to be challenged. There is simply no “Muslim Pope,” or a central organization like the Catholic hierarchy, whose suffocating authority needs to be broken. Quite the contrary, the Muslim world—at least the Sunni Muslim world, which constitutes its overwhelming majority—has no central authority at all, especially since the abolition of the Caliphate in 1924 by Republican Turkey. The ensuing chaos in itself seems be a part of “the problem.”

In fact, if the Muslim world of today resembles any period in Christian history, it is not the pre-Reformation but rather the post-Reformation era. The latter was a time when not just Catholics and Protestants but also different varieties of the latter were at each other’s throats, self-righteously claiming to be the true believers while condemning others as heretics. It was a time of religious wars and the suppression of theological minorities. It would be a big exaggeration to say that the whole Muslim world is now going through such bloody sectarian strife, but some parts of it—such as Iraq, Syria, and Yemen—undoubtedly are.

Besides, various “reform” movements have already emerged in the Muslim world in the past two centuries. Just like Luther’s Reformation, these movements claimed to go back to the scriptural roots of the religion to question the existing tradition. While some of the reformists took this step with the intention of rationalization and liberalization, giving us the promising current called “Islamic modernism,” others did it with the exact opposite goal of dogmatism and puritanism. The latter trend gave us Salafism, including its Saudi version Wahhabism, which is more rigid and intolerant than the traditional mainstream. And while most Salafis have been non-violent, violent ones formed the toxic blend called “Salafi Jihadism,” which gave us the savagery of al-Qaeda and the Islamic State.



That is why those who hope to see a more tolerant, free, and open Muslim world should seek the equivalent not of the Protestant Reformation but of the next great paradigm in Western history: the Enlightenment. The contemporary Muslim world needs not a Martin Luther but a John Locke, whose arguments for freedom of conscience and religious toleration planted the seeds of liberalism. In particular, the more religion-friendly British Enlightenment, rather than the French one, can serve as a constructive model. (And, as I argued elsewhere, special attention should also be given to the Jewish Enlightenment, also called Haskalah, and its pioneers such as Moses Mendelssohn. Islam, as a legalist religion, has more commonalities with Judaism than with Christianity.)

Luckily, efforts toward a Muslim Enlightenment have been present since the 19th century, in the form of the above-mentioned “Islamic modernism.” British historian Christopher de Bellaigue deftly demonstrated the achievements of this trend in his recent book, The Islamic Enlightenment. He also rightly noted that this promising era—also called “the liberal age” of Arabic thought by the late historian Albert Hourani—experienced a major step back in the 20th century with Western colonialism and the reactions it provoked. Then came a wave of “counter-Enlightenment,” which is the fundamentalist revival that created Islamism and jihadism.

As a result, the Muslim world of today is a very complex place, where secularists, liberal reformists, illiberal conservatives, passionate fundamentalists, and violent jihadists all enjoy varying degrees of influence from region to region, nation to nation. The pressing question is how to move this world in a positive direction.

Because there is no central religious authority to lead the way, one should consider the only definitive authority available, which is the state. Whether we like it or not, the state has been quite influential on religion throughout the history of Islam. It has become even more so in the past century, when Muslims overwhelmingly adopted the modern nation-state and its powerful tools, such as public education.

It really matters, therefore, whether the state promotes a tolerant or a bigoted interpretation of Islam. It really matters, for example, when the Saudi monarchy, which for decades has promoted Wahhabism, vows to promote “moderate Islam,” as Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman recently did, giving some hope for the future. It is especially significant that this call for moderation implies not just fighting terrorism, but also liberalizing society by curbing the “religion police,” empowering women, and being “open to the world and all religions.”

This argument may sound counterintuitive to some Western liberals, who are prone to think that the best thing for a state is to just stay out of religion. But in a reality where the state is already deeply involved in religion, its steps toward moderation and liberalization should be welcome. It’s also worth remembering that the success of the Enlightenment in Europe was partly thanks to the era of “Enlightened despots,” the monarchs who preserved their power even as they realized crucial legal, social, and educational reforms.

When we look at the Middle East we see that countries with enlightened monarchies, such as Morocco or Jordan, promote and exemplify religious moderation, unlike the many “revolutionary” republics that end up as authoritarian one-party states or tyrannies of the illiberal majority. (Only Tunisia stands out as an exceptionally bright spot.) And in Malaysia, where I recently had the unexpected chance to become acquainted with the “religion enforcement police,” it is the sultans that try to keep such zealots, and their popular support, in check.

A full-fledged Islamic Enlightenment would require other features, such as the rise of the Muslim middle class (which would itself require market-based economies rather than rentier states) and an atmosphere of free speech in which novel ideas can be discussed without persecution. Yet even those very much depend on political decisions that states will make or not make.

If the Protestant Reformation teaches us anything, it is that the road from religious fracturing to religious tolerance is long and winding. The Muslim world is somewhere on that road at the moment, and more twists and turns probably await us in the decades to come. In the meantime, it would be a mistake to look at the darkest forces within the current crisis of Islam and to arrive at pessimistic conclusions about its supposedly immutable essence.
 
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The gist of this article-

1. As Islam, specially the Sunni Islam, which is the main branch of Islam has no central authority akin to Roman Catholic Church, so it is not possible to reform Islam in line of Christianity. Lack of central authority after the abolishment of Caliphate is also problematic as there is no one to guide Muslims towards the correct path and away from extremist sects.

2.Contrary to the western scholars who think, current Islam is equivalent of pre-reformation era Christianity, it is actually correspond to the period of post-reformation Christendom when Catholic and Protestant as well as various Protestant sects were at each other's throat and branded each other heretics and fought genocidal warfare. Current chaos in some part of Islamic world, extremist and rigid interpretation of Islam and violent Jihadist gangs propping up here and there have much resemblance with Europe during Thirty years war. In Muslim world, now conservative Islamists, violent Jihadists, secularists, liberal reformists all are enjoying varying degree of support among the Muslim masses.

3. What Muslims need to free themselves from rigid dogmatism and intolerance is not reformation but enlightenment. Muslims do not need a reformist like Martin Luthar but enlightened figures like John Locke. With the absence of central authority, the modern nation states which Muslims around the world have overwhelmingly embraced could serve as the catalyst of this positive transformation. Democratic Muslim states even the enlightened despot/monarchy like Jordan and Morocco can guide Muslims towards the path of enlightenment.

4. As Islam is a legalist religion like Judaism and unlike Christianity, it can take inspiration from Jewish enlightenment rather than the Christian enlightenment. It can emulate religion friendly English path to enlightenment rather than anti-religious French enlightenment. To proceed in this path, it is necessary that Democracy, universal public education and free media take strong hold among the Muslim nations.

4. Last and not least, people should not take the darkest force within the Muslims as the true essence of Islam and arrive at a pessimistic conclusion. Muslim world are on the same road of enlightenment that experienced by Western Christian and Jews earlier. But it will take some more decades.
 
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The gist of this article-

1. As Islam, specially the Sunni Islam, which is the main branch of Islam has no central authority akin to Roman Catholic Church, so it is not possible to reform Islam in line of Christianity. Lack of central authority after the abolishment of Caliphate is also problematic as there is no one to guide Muslims towards the correct path and away from extremist sects.

2.Contrary to the western scholars who think, current Islam is equivalent of pre-reformation era Christianity, it is actually correspond to the period of post-reformation Christendom when Catholic and Protestant as well as various Protestant sects were at each other's throat and branded each other heretics and fought genocidal warfare. Current chaos in some part of Islamic world, extremist and rigid interpretation of Islam and violent Jihadist gangs propping up here and there have much resemblance with Europe during Thirty years war. In Muslim world, now conservative Islamists, violent Jihadists, secularists, liberal reformists all are enjoying varying degree of support among the Muslim masses.

3. What Muslims need to free themselves from rigid dogmatism and intolerance is not reformation but enlightenment. Muslims do not need a reformist like Martin Luthar but enlightened figures like John Locke. With the absence of central authority, the modern nation states which Muslims around the world have overwhelmingly embraced could serve as the catalyst of this positive transformation. Democratic Muslim states even the enlightened despot/monarchy like Jordan and Morocco can guide Muslims towards the path of enlightenment.

4. As Islam is a legalist religion like Judaism and unlike Christianity, it can take inspiration from Jewish enlightenment rather than the Christian enlightenment. It can emulate religion friendly English path to enlightenment rather than anti-religious French enlightenment. To proceed in this path, it is necessary that Democracy, universal public education and free media take strong hold among the Muslim nations.

4. Last and not least, people should not take the darkest force within the Muslims as the true essence of Islam and arrive at a pessimistic conclusion. Muslim world are on the same road of enlightenment that experienced by Western Christian and Jews earlier. But it will take some more decades.


My view.... typical neo-orientalist nonsense...

Locke is great, i studied a lot about him. His thoughts are out there and anyone can access it...including muslims.

Muslims are not a homogenious group and we do not need to follow prescribed western paths to achieve what west considers to be enlightenment.

Islamic societies will evolve shaped by local influences as well as global trends. This kind of idiotic nonsense articles are the product of a neo-colonial mind who still assumes west has achieved pinnacle of civilisation that everyone must naturally seek to conform to and emulate.
 
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The gist of this article-

1. As Islam, specially the Sunni Islam, which is the main branch of Islam has no central authority akin to Roman Catholic Church, so it is not possible to reform Islam in line of Christianity. Lack of central authority after the abolishment of Caliphate is also problematic as there is no one to guide Muslims towards the correct path and away from extremist sects.

2.Contrary to the western scholars who think, current Islam is equivalent of pre-reformation era Christianity, it is actually correspond to the period of post-reformation Christendom when Catholic and Protestant as well as various Protestant sects were at each other's throat and branded each other heretics and fought genocidal warfare. Current chaos in some part of Islamic world, extremist and rigid interpretation of Islam and violent Jihadist gangs propping up here and there have much resemblance with Europe during Thirty years war. In Muslim world, now conservative Islamists, violent Jihadists, secularists, liberal reformists all are enjoying varying degree of support among the Muslim masses.

3. What Muslims need to free themselves from rigid dogmatism and intolerance is not reformation but enlightenment. Muslims do not need a reformist like Martin Luthar but enlightened figures like John Locke. With the absence of central authority, the modern nation states which Muslims around the world have overwhelmingly embraced could serve as the catalyst of this positive transformation. Democratic Muslim states even the enlightened despot/monarchy like Jordan and Morocco can guide Muslims towards the path of enlightenment.

4. As Islam is a legalist religion like Judaism and unlike Christianity, it can take inspiration from Jewish enlightenment rather than the Christian enlightenment. It can emulate religion friendly English path to enlightenment rather than anti-religious French enlightenment. To proceed in this path, it is necessary that Democracy, universal public education and free media take strong hold among the Muslim nations.

4. Last and not least, people should not take the darkest force within the Muslims as the true essence of Islam and arrive at a pessimistic conclusion. Muslim world are on the same road of enlightenment that experienced by Western Christian and Jews earlier. But it will take some more decades.
After a long a great article by a BD
 
In other words the writer is saying that now is the time that muslims need "Imam Mahdi" to lead, revive and integrate the community.
 
In other words the writer is saying that now is the time that muslims need "Imam Mahdi" to lead, revive and integrate the community.

I think muslims needs to use their head and steer their society in the way that best suits their circumstances.

We should not wait for "imam Mahdi" to come. Awaiting for such would be to abdicate our responsibility here and now. (Please do not take that comment as me belittling the Imam)
 
My view.... typical neo-orientalist nonsense...

Locke is great, i studied a lot about him. His thoughts are out there and anyone can access it...including muslims.

Muslims are not a homogenious group and we do not need to follow prescribed western paths to achieve what west considers to be enlightenment.

Islamic societies will evolve shaped by local influences as well as global trends. This kind of idiotic nonsense articles are the product of a neo-colonial mind who still assumes west has achieved pinnacle of civilisation that everyone must naturally seek to conform to and emulate.

I mean Muslims have lost it when they stopped innovating against the west , the West colonized multiple muslim nations and of course they will logically feel superior.

In order for muslims to shine again , they need to invent and out innovate the West

Muslims don't need to follow the west , but a lot of western things are good lets be real here
 
My view.... typical neo-orientalist nonsense...

Locke is great, i studied a lot about him. His thoughts are out there and anyone can access it...including muslims.

Muslims are not a homogenious group and we do not need to follow prescribed western paths to achieve what west considers to be enlightenment.

Islamic societies will evolve shaped by local influences as well as global trends. This kind of idiotic nonsense articles are the product of a neo-colonial mind who still assumes west has achieved pinnacle of civilisation that everyone must naturally seek to conform to and emulate.
Of course, Muslim path of enlightenment would be different than the western one. Author is actually not urging to follow any western model, but there is no harm to learn from the past experience and and formulate strategy taking into account of all the difference and similarities. His main message in this article is not to loose hope that Muslims are a bunch of irredeemable zealots forever stuck into middle ages by seeing the current resurgence of intolerance, blind dogmatism and horrible atrocity committed by a few terrorists in the name of Islam.
 
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reeks of eurocentrism, and the euthor obviously considers europeans as superiors and want muslims to follow their lead.

christianity has almost died in europe, so lets not even compare it to the status of islam in the muslim lands, they are converting churches into night clubs, bars etc because no one's going to churches and they are empty now.

What happens to european liberalism when neo fascists like Macron, Le penn from france, Boris jhonson, right wing Austrian leader and other right wing leaders rise in europe?

the european liberalism is facing death sentence in europe itself, lets not preach liberalism to the muslims.

The entire war on terror was against islam and muslims, islam became US and europe's bogeyman and millions of muslims were killed for it, before bringing extremism, why not discuss the cause and effect i-e european war on terror and which caused rise of extremists, ISIS a direct result of european intervention in syria. Durnig afghan war calls of jihad were made by american govt officials


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muslims need a set of people

muslim Nietzsche
muslim Jean-Paul Sartre
muslim Martin Heidegger
muslim Freud
muslim Michel Foucault
muslim Derrida
muslim voltaire
 
After a long a great article by a BD

Very patronizing Dada. Just because all tram conductors in Kolkata are sandal wearing Ph.D's does not mean we in Bangladesh are incapable of critical thinking. Some of us do have an education worth something.

You can keep those patronizing thoughts to yourself, no takers here...
 
Why is this in the Bangladesh Defence Forum ? Move it to world affairs or something.
 
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muslims need a set of people

muslim Nietzsche
muslim Jean-Paul Sartre
muslim Martin Heidegger
muslim Freud
muslim Michel Foucault
muslim Derrida
muslim voltaire
You are giving here a list of great thinkers and philosophers to a group of people who are not supposed to be taught any philosophy. This group's mainstay religious practice is to sit for performing rituals each and every day of his/her life.

Philosophy? No thank you, Sir!!
 
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You are giving here a list of great thinkers and philosophers to a group of people who are not supposed to be taught any philosophy. This group's mainstay religious practice is to sit for performing rituals each and every day of his/her life.

Philosophy? No thank you, Sir!!


You are really speaking only about yourself....islamic philosophy and jurisprudence comes from Logic or aql... that was the first thing i was tought once I had mastered the basics of reading arabic.

You should not make such sweeping remarks. Critical thinking is a prerequisite for a muslim. Anything else is a failure of the education system either through ineptness or design that creates an inward looking muslims more worried about rituals and wordly nonsense. They are unable to see the wood for the trees and all muslims must share collective blame for letting down our children.

Muslims must find their way back to being open societies that welcomed new ideas, debates and people. Strength comes from this ability to absorb the other. This was abandoned as western colonialism toppled all muslims but one. The introverted strain once introduced has grown as one failure and humiliation followed others.

But it is time to come out of this crazy cycle
 
Islam in spirit and theory itself was a reform movement for the time it came about. It got corrupted through Muslims beginning to think that Islam is only and all about prayers, fastings and dress code. And from what I know of Ayaan Hirsi Ali she certainly cannot be slotted under "Intellectual". These two things are not addressed by the OP and that right there begins the non-wisdom of the OP.

Socialism / Communism is deeply related to intellectuality and such thought existed greatly among Muslims from the start of 1900 to perhaps mid 1990s. This period was a modern reform period for Muslims and can be read of in sufficient detail in this thread of mine from 2016. This reform period was corrupted and acted against by regressive mullahs who were propped up by Western governments for that very purpose so that Muslim-majority countries don't challenge the imperialist ambitions of the Western bloc.

Islam is all about rituals, Qayamat, Hell, Heaven, and Fairy Ladies.

Incorrect. Islam is about much more. Please read my above text and please read this thread of mine about an Indian Christian woman who married an Indian Muslim under Islamic marriage law because that better secured her socio-economic future in case of divorce.
 
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