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Can’t blame the State for your bad choices mate. State will defend itself.
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le lo fir ghareeb di badua
By principle the most senior Lt Gen shamshaad should be. But since it's political in Pakistan even the junior most get selected. Exactly how ACM mushaff mir was selected or pervez musharaff was selected.Who will be Pakistan’s next Army Chief and Joint Chief of the military
January 27, 2022
General Qamar Javed Bajwa, Pakistan’s Army head, and Joint Chief General Nadeem Raza is set to retire in November. Imran Khan’s PTI-led government will have to choose the next Chief of Army Staff (COAS) and Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff Committee (CJCSC). While the Pandits have begun discussing the future of the country’s most powerful seat after Prime Minister Khan stated that he has not yet decided on any extension for General Bajwa.
The possible looking at the existing Corp Commanders can help us see some of the seniors and prospective contenders for the positions of COAS and CJCSC.
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Lt Gen. Sehr Shamshad Mirza
After the Army Chief and Joint Chiefs of Staff, he is the most senior lieutenant General. He is an officer of the Pakistan Army’s Sindh Regiment. So far, General Mirza has had a distinguished career. Lt. Gen. Sahir Shamshad Mirza is now serving as the X Corps’ Commander in Rawalpindi.
He was previously the Chief of General Staff at the Pakistan Army’s General Headquarters. Prior to his CGS assignment, he served as Adjutant General. Vice Chief of General Staff (A), Director General Military Operations, and General Officer Commanding at Dera Ismail Khan were among his previous positions. He led the 40th Infantry Division throughout his time at Military Operations.
Lt. Gen Azhar Abbas
General Abbas is the army’s 35th Chief of General Staff. After the army chief, the CGS is regarded as the most powerful position inside the army. The Directorates of Military Operations and Military Intelligence are responsible for operational and intelligence affairs at General Headquarters under the command of the CGS.
Abbas was commissioned into the Baloch Regiment’s 41st Battalion. He formerly held the positions of Commandant School of Infantry and Tactics in Quetta, Division Commander in Murre, Brigade Commander in the Operations Directorate, and Personal Secretary to General Raheel Sharif, the former Chief of Army Staff. Interestingly, five CGS have been named CJCSC thus far.
Lt. Gen Nouman Mahmood Raja
He is President of the National Defence University in Islamabad. He was previously the Corp Commander of Peshawar. In On 1987, General Raja was commissioned into an Infantry Battalion. He attended the Command and Staff College in Quetta, Egypt, as well as the Command and Staff College in Cairo and the National Defence University in Islamabad.
Brigade Major of an Infantry Brigade, Commanding Officer of an Infantry Regiment, Brigade Commander of two Infantry Brigades, Chief of Staff of a Corps, General Officer Commanding of an Infantry Division, Director General (Analysis), Directorate General ISI, Inspector General Communication & Information Technology Branch General Headquarters Rawalpindi, and Corps Commander of a Corps are among his various Command, Staff, and Instructional assignments.
Lt. Gen Faiz Hameed
At the moment, he is the Commander of the XI Corps in Peshawar. He served as the 24th Director-General of the Intelligence Agency ISI. He was commissioned in the Baloch Regiment. Previously, Faiz served as Adjutant General in Rawalpindi’s General Headquarters (GHQ). Also, in his military career, he was the chief of the ISI’s counter-intelligence wing.
He was also the Chief of Staff to then-Corps Commander Rawalpindi, General Bajwa, who is currently the COAS. Only three XI Corp Commanders have ever been promoted to four-star general rank: General Sawar Khan, General Mirza Aslam Baig, and General Ahsan-ul-Haq. Gen. Faiz as DG ISI remained in limelight.
He also visited Kabul soon after the Afghan Taliban’s takeover of Afghanistan. Many circles are talking about the positioning of Gen. Faiz as possible next COAS. However, only the exact time will decide the future command of the Pakistan Army.
Lt. Gen Muhammad Amir
He is currently serving as Corp Commander of the Gujranwala Corps. Before this, he served as Advocate General. As a Major General, Amir served as GOC 10 Infantry Division, Lahore.
He also served as DG Staff at COAS Secretariat.
Lt. Gen Muhammad Chiragh Haider
He is currently serving as Corps Commander Multan, Prior to being Corp Commander Multan, Haider was serving as DG Joint Staff Headquarters.
Previously, he also undertook responsibilities as DG Military training and GOC Infantry Division Jhelum.
Lt. Gen Nadeem Anjum
He is serving as the Director-General of Inter-Services Intelligence (DG ISI). He was commissioned in the 28th Punjab Regiment of infantry.
He has also served as Inspector-General of the Frontier Corps, Brigadier Commander Waziristan, and Kurram Agency. Anjum also served as Corp Commander of V Corps at Karachi.
The Army contenders for the future COAS are promoted by name through the outgoing Chief of Army Staff, from whom the Prime Minister selects the new COAS and CJCSC, according to protocol. Now it’s up to Prime Minister Imran Khan to decide whether to stick to the seniority list or choose any senior official from the list who meets his criteria.
It's our fault for not pulling ourselves up by the bootstraps. Poor lazy sods we are.
The list is a very long one unfortunately;Although only God knows the true intentions of a man and that how circumstances in future can change him, I would consider commanders who showed their mettle in combat leading troops to victory. There are a few who have not been promoted after proving their mettle (Brigadier Nisar, Lt Gen Tariq etc) while others were shaheed in combat (Maj Gen Iftikhar Janjua etc).
Brig Nisar - 25 Cav in 65 war and Changez force in 71 war
Lt Gen Tariq - FC in WOT
Maj Gen Iftikhar - 23 Div in 1971 war
Your "has" might have been "had" for a better perspective. Army chief became above everything else more than 60 years ago. This notion was opposed by many and used by many including politicians and public especially when it benefited them. Parliament, Judiciary, law, public - aren't corrupt at all. But due to a miracle by God, Army somehow has become uncontrollable between all these institutions run by saints of Pakistan. Ohh yes, Army has guns and others dont, thats it ! Now COAS sits above them coz he controls the men with guns and tanks.Problem is msassive and have become uncontrollable because army has become a super state and army chief has become above parliament, and judiciary.
Who really appoints the army chief, I want to know?
International powers have stakes in Pakistan, especially US which intervenes thru army chief. Army chief develops self interests and promotes cronies too, if not all then some cronies.
As an interim step, armed forces chief should come from any two other sister organizations.
I wanted to make a point, not make an excel sheetThe list is a very long one unfortunately;
Apart from the ones mentioned,
- Maj Gen Abrar - GOC 6th Armoured div, Chawinda.
- Brigadier AQ Sher- bde cmdr 22(I) bde, who led the bold counter attacks across the BRB.
- Brig Amjad Ali chaudhry - Commander IV Corps arty
- Brigadier Ameer Hamza(HJ, SJ), bde cmdr 105 inf bde- battle of Sulemanke.
The list is a long one.. and we have reached WoT.
You wrote quiet long, but realty is somewhere in the middle.Your "has" might have been "had" for a better perspective. Army chief became above everything else more than 60 years ago. This notion was opposed by many and used by many including politicians and public especially when it benefited them. Parliament, Judiciary, law, public - aren't corrupt at all. But due to a miracle by God, Army somehow has become uncontrollable between all these institutions run by saints of Pakistan. Ohh yes, Army has guns and others dont, thats it ! Now COAS sits above them coz he controls the men with guns and tanks.
Now thanks to media, whats been happening since 60 years (although its wrong) has been thrown in such a limelight that somehow people think all hell is going to break loose and somehow POTUS, west, jews, India, and other enemies of Pakistan are now in the driving seat to control Pakistan since COAS and Army itself has been sold off to them, where as IK was one hope of Pakistan and unless he comes to power all is doomed. USA has stakes, China has stakes, Russia has stakes, UK has stakes, Iran has stakes, KSA has stakes, maybe India itself has stakes too and how can we leave behind Afghanistan - peechay koi reh to nai gaya, nahi I think I mentioned the ones we hear in media.
There have been many accusations by IK on Army since IK got kicked out, i dont know of many as I didnt follow the topi drama as much, owing to the fact that this is pretty normal in Pakistan's politics. Sab rool mil k khatay hain, kuch kam, kuch ziayada. However, i did look at those threads where I felt a kind of 5th generation warfare exists against Pakistan and Pakistan Army. One of which mentioned that reliable sources say that Army will fire bullets on crowds. Then another that Pakistan will give airbases to USA for drone strikes in Afghanistan. and few more. So far none of this has happened. Fingers crossed for your sake.
Now the greed factor. A few plots, vast areas of land, houses isnt enough for COAS, he must have more as he has to take everything with himself into the grave. I doubt this is greed. Greed is usually of power, history of Pakistan shows it. Ayub, Zia, Musharraf, Bhutto, etc have shown it. If COAS (Bajwa) extends his tenure in order to take the country towards martial law, that would definitely come under greed. Then posting threads that COAS visited such and such country without notice, and that Military officers shouldn't go abroad for courses or that Ministry of Defence falls under Army instead of above it etc. In fact, PTI was winning in Punjab, must be a phone call from COAS and the Establishment so PMLN wins. Bas, it has to be the chief. I hope not, but then who else is so powerful in Pakistan. We must point towards the COAS using ISI for his nefarious purposes.
Who gave power to the Army and the COAS in the first place ? Public including political parties. Everyone wants to make an example of COAS seat through Bajwa, by all means go ahead and do it. There are 220+ million public versus a little above half million Army. Public has more guns in households than Army. I don't think mutiny would occur but the public can get on the roads, create unrest, destroy infrastructure, burn vehicles, fire guns at army - wouldn't India just love if Pakistan becomes frail like Srilanka and disintegrates. Lovely yeah ! Allah has blessed more power in Pakistanis hands and loins than brains. Well thats not true coz GOD isnt biased but we take what suits us.
You want COAS from Navy next time ? Chalo lets do that and see how the 75 years of system changes in Pakistan. Thats your solution to the problem, I think the rest of 220 million will have millions others, we can try one by one.
I wanted to make a point, not make an excel sheet
You win and the public still doesnt take blame. Irony.....and I wrote even longer ...
What a to do!
Imagine being this shallow@AZ1 is a fake tweets poster and supported by Youthia Staff/Mods and all youthia then jerk on fake things.
Pervaiz Elahi Punjab k dako ly liye aur establishment ka paalto, jo PTI ki napies change ker ker k thak gya tha.
PTI ab usi adalat ky pass ja rahay jinko galian detay hain aur judges ko "b!tches of riches kehtay hain"
IK/PTI ky saaath double game ho rahi hai.
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In the great tradition of Muhammad Shah RangeelaBilawal Bhutto Zardari.
Faiz or Anjum would be the "best" choices but what does it even matter they are all part of the same rotten "establishment" that keeps this rotten and corrupt system alive and intact (so far). We need a reformer from within but the establishment will never allow serious reforms as that would endanger their own control of Pakistan.
Schedule V-A of the Rules of Business, which elaborates the cases to be presented to the prime minister for his approval, states that: “[…] the appointment of, and above the rank of, lieutenant-general in the army and equivalent ranks in the other Defence Services will be made by the prime minister in consultation with the president.”Four of the six top Lt-Gens at the time of Gen Bajwa’s retirement will be from the same batch, while a fifth is senior to almost the entire lot
Either 1 or 5th .. Both on UK trip with Bajwa. Shamshad and Amir . If I am not wrong Gen Amir was MS of Zardari at one point and some analysts claim he is closed to Nawaz Sharif.Who will be Pakistan’s next Army Chief and Joint Chief of the military
January 27, 2022
General Qamar Javed Bajwa, Pakistan’s Army head, and Joint Chief General Nadeem Raza is set to retire in November. Imran Khan’s PTI-led government will have to choose the next Chief of Army Staff (COAS) and Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff Committee (CJCSC). While the Pandits have begun discussing the future of the country’s most powerful seat after Prime Minister Khan stated that he has not yet decided on any extension for General Bajwa.
The possible looking at the existing Corp Commanders can help us see some of the seniors and prospective contenders for the positions of COAS and CJCSC.
View attachment 811496
Lt Gen. Sehr Shamshad Mirza
After the Army Chief and Joint Chiefs of Staff, he is the most senior lieutenant General. He is an officer of the Pakistan Army’s Sindh Regiment. So far, General Mirza has had a distinguished career. Lt. Gen. Sahir Shamshad Mirza is now serving as the X Corps’ Commander in Rawalpindi.
He was previously the Chief of General Staff at the Pakistan Army’s General Headquarters. Prior to his CGS assignment, he served as Adjutant General. Vice Chief of General Staff (A), Director General Military Operations, and General Officer Commanding at Dera Ismail Khan were among his previous positions. He led the 40th Infantry Division throughout his time at Military Operations.
Lt. Gen Azhar Abbas
General Abbas is the army’s 35th Chief of General Staff. After the army chief, the CGS is regarded as the most powerful position inside the army. The Directorates of Military Operations and Military Intelligence are responsible for operational and intelligence affairs at General Headquarters under the command of the CGS.
Abbas was commissioned into the Baloch Regiment’s 41st Battalion. He formerly held the positions of Commandant School of Infantry and Tactics in Quetta, Division Commander in Murre, Brigade Commander in the Operations Directorate, and Personal Secretary to General Raheel Sharif, the former Chief of Army Staff. Interestingly, five CGS have been named CJCSC thus far.
Lt. Gen Nouman Mahmood Raja
He is President of the National Defence University in Islamabad. He was previously the Corp Commander of Peshawar. In On 1987, General Raja was commissioned into an Infantry Battalion. He attended the Command and Staff College in Quetta, Egypt, as well as the Command and Staff College in Cairo and the National Defence University in Islamabad.
Brigade Major of an Infantry Brigade, Commanding Officer of an Infantry Regiment, Brigade Commander of two Infantry Brigades, Chief of Staff of a Corps, General Officer Commanding of an Infantry Division, Director General (Analysis), Directorate General ISI, Inspector General Communication & Information Technology Branch General Headquarters Rawalpindi, and Corps Commander of a Corps are among his various Command, Staff, and Instructional assignments.
Lt. Gen Faiz Hameed
At the moment, he is the Commander of the XI Corps in Peshawar. He served as the 24th Director-General of the Intelligence Agency ISI. He was commissioned in the Baloch Regiment. Previously, Faiz served as Adjutant General in Rawalpindi’s General Headquarters (GHQ). Also, in his military career, he was the chief of the ISI’s counter-intelligence wing.
He was also the Chief of Staff to then-Corps Commander Rawalpindi, General Bajwa, who is currently the COAS. Only three XI Corp Commanders have ever been promoted to four-star general rank: General Sawar Khan, General Mirza Aslam Baig, and General Ahsan-ul-Haq. Gen. Faiz as DG ISI remained in limelight.
He also visited Kabul soon after the Afghan Taliban’s takeover of Afghanistan. Many circles are talking about the positioning of Gen. Faiz as possible next COAS. However, only the exact time will decide the future command of the Pakistan Army.
Lt. Gen Muhammad Amir
He is currently serving as Corp Commander of the Gujranwala Corps. Before this, he served as Advocate General. As a Major General, Amir served as GOC 10 Infantry Division, Lahore.
He also served as DG Staff at COAS Secretariat.
Lt. Gen Muhammad Chiragh Haider
He is currently serving as Corps Commander Multan, Prior to being Corp Commander Multan, Haider was serving as DG Joint Staff Headquarters.
Previously, he also undertook responsibilities as DG Military training and GOC Infantry Division Jhelum.
Lt. Gen Nadeem Anjum
He is serving as the Director-General of Inter-Services Intelligence (DG ISI). He was commissioned in the 28th Punjab Regiment of infantry.
He has also served as Inspector-General of the Frontier Corps, Brigadier Commander Waziristan, and Kurram Agency. Anjum also served as Corp Commander of V Corps at Karachi.
The Army contenders for the future COAS are promoted by name through the outgoing Chief of Army Staff, from whom the Prime Minister selects the new COAS and CJCSC, according to protocol. Now it’s up to Prime Minister Imran Khan to decide whether to stick to the seniority list or choose any senior official from the list who meets his criteria.