Who Are Muslims .? by -Dr Ram Puniyani.

[Hamza913]

I will take your peoples poetry, kebabs and monuments all day long, but the holy books go in the dust bin, not welcome here.

the arab system has been a destructive force to our civilization, you gloat over it, you obviously know it too.

just concerned about the future, not bitter about the past.

I'm sure you feel strongly about your Islamic (arab) civilization too.


Our civilization is what has existed on this land for thousands of years, it did not come from the deserts of Israel and Arabia.

Again, it is the predatory, expansionist, violent, intolerant and supremacist behaviour of the abrahamist systems that is the cause of worry.

You want to keep Pakistan Islamic, and I want to keep Islam away from power here, have nothing against local muslims though..

So, to put it bluntly, you will claim our culture as your own and then talk badly about us? Like I said before, you're a no good namak haram.

Of course I gloat over it, I have a great satisfaction in knowing my people gave idiots like you a good beating for an entire millennium, and have left you still feeling sore to this day. We have subjugated you for so long, that many aspects of our culture are completely entrenched within yours to the point where many of you don't even know how much of it came from us. We have humiliated the people of Hind far more than anyone else, which is why you still cry about Islam but remain silent over European colonialism.

Certainly seem bitter, however, your concern over the future is warranted. We aren't finished beating you guys yet, we've still got a few canes saved for later.

It's not Arab, it's Islamic. Most people who identify as Muslim are not Arab (unless you count small traces of Arab ancestry, in which case, most of us are Arab), the overwhelming majority of Islamic dynasties throughout history were non Arab, many famous Islamic figures such as Al Fatih, Saladdin, Ibn Rabah (May Allah Be Pleased With Him), Al Farsi (May Allah Be Pleased With Him), Ibn Sina, Shah Jahan, etc, were all non Arab. Allah sent Islam for mankind, not just the Arabs.

No, your faith came from the Indo Aryans who conquered the region, as did the Muslims. There is no difference between your faith and mine in that regard, other than the fact that I accept it where as you don't.

India can remain a secular country. India is not a Muslim majority country even. So what makes you think Islam will take power in India?

Asalamu Alaikum

He's scared, and rightfully so. We've crushed them so many times it's funny, the only Hindustanis who are equals in combat are the Sikhs, and that's only because they are Punjabi.

 

[MultaniGuy]

So, to put it bluntly, you will claim our culture as your own and then talk badly about us? Like I said before, you're a no good namak haram.

Of course I gloat over it, I have a great satisfaction in knowing my people gave idiots like you a good beating for an entire millennium, and have left you still feeling sore to this day. We have subjugated you for so long, that many aspects of our culture are completely entrenched within yours to the point where many of you don't even know how much of it came from us. We have humiliated the people of Hind far more than anyone else, which is why you still cry about Islam but remain silent over European colonialism.

Certainly seem bitter, however, your concern over the future is warranted. We aren't finished beating you guys yet, we've still got a few canes saved for later.

It's not Arab, it's Islamic. Most people who identify as Muslim are not Arab (unless you count small traces of Arab ancestry, in which case, most of us are Arab), the overwhelming majority of Islamic dynasties throughout history were non Arab, many famous Islamic figures such as Al Fatih, Saladdin, Ibn Rabah (May Allah Be Pleased With Him), Al Farsi (May Allah Be Pleased With Him), Ibn Sina, Shah Jahan, etc, were all non Arab. Allah sent Islam for mankind, not just the Arabs.

No, your faith came from the Indo Aryans who conquered the region, as did the Muslims. There is no difference between your faith and mine in that regard, other than the fact that I accept it where as you don't.



Asalamu Alaikum

He's scared, and rightfully so. We've crushed them so many times it's funny, the only Hindustanis who are equals in combat are the Sikhs, and that's only because they are Punjabi.

Walaikum Salaam,

These Indians are Namak Haram.

They take the achievements of our civilization (Islamic civilization) but then criticizes our religion which is the foundation of our civilization.

I mean you cannot get any more idiotic than that.

You should tell our dumb Indian guest, that most Muslims are not Arab.

And not all Arabs are Muslim. I have met many Arab Christians as well from Egypt and Jordan.

I will take your peoples poetry, kebabs and monuments all day long, but the holy books go in the dust bin, not welcome here.

the arab system has been a destructive force to our civilization, you gloat over it, you obviously know it too.

just concerned about the future, not bitter about the past.

I'm sure you feel strongly about your Islamic (arab) civilization too.


Our civilization is what has existed on this land for thousands of years, it did not come from the deserts of Israel and Arabia.

Again, it is the predatory, expansionist, violent, intolerant and supremacist behaviour of the abrahamist systems that is the cause of worry.

You want to keep Pakistan Islamic, and I want to keep Islam away from power here, have nothing against local muslims though..

So does the Hindu holy book also go in the dust bin since you consider other holy books from other religions to go in the dust bin?

Time to be genuine now.

 

[SecularNationalist]

Exactly, Pakistan and India have different ethnicities.

We have nothing in common with Indians.

Agree to disagree here.North Indians,Punjabi indians and Pakistanis are same stuff.The rest of India is very different.

 

[recon scout]

India can remain a secular country. India is not a Muslim majority country even. So what makes you think Islam will take power in India?

Not saying it will take power, just that it needs to be contained, we need to be very careful of this ideology and constantly monitor it... like in a biosafety level 4 laboratory.

So, to put it bluntly, you will claim our culture as your own and then talk badly about us? Like I said before, you're a no good namak haram.

Of course I gloat over it, I have a great satisfaction in knowing my people gave idiots like you a good beating for an entire millennium, and have left you still feeling sore to this day. We have subjugated you for so long, that many aspects of our culture are completely entrenched within yours to the point where many of you don't even know how much of it came from us. We have humiliated the people of Hind far more than anyone else, which is why you still cry about Islam but remain silent over European colonialism.

Certainly seem bitter, however, your concern over the future is warranted. We aren't finished beating you guys yet, we've still got a few canes saved for later.

It's not Arab, it's Islamic. Most people who identify as Muslim are not Arab (unless you count small traces of Arab ancestry, in which case, most of us are Arab), the overwhelming majority of Islamic dynasties throughout history were non Arab, many famous Islamic figures such as Al Fatih, Saladdin, Ibn Rabah (May Allah Be Pleased With Him), Al Farsi (May Allah Be Pleased With Him), Ibn Sina, Shah Jahan, etc, were all non Arab. Allah sent Islam for mankind, not just the Arabs.

No, your faith came from the Indo Aryans who conquered the region, as did the Muslims. There is no difference between your faith and mine in that regard, other than the fact that I accept it where as you don't.

Here we don't have "faith" in anything, that is a foreign desert ideology concept, here we question everything and try to get the answers, here it is ok to be a "non believer" in the gods, we are seekers to questions, we don't trust any "holy book" to be the 100% truth.

This is not the right forum for this discussion, religious discussion is banned as far as I understand ? and also that I am not an authority to speak about it but suffice it to say that the underlying core philosophies that guide and direct the Abrahamist "Faiths", and those that form the basis of eastern philosophy/religion (buddhism, hinduism etc) are INCOMPATIBLE... because one of them is supremacist and expansionist and intolerant of the others

So, to put it mildly, historically, Islam has just not been very good to this civilization, it is indisputable.. you seem supremely aware of this fact as you threaten with more violent expansionism...

Again, do what you want in Pakistan, trump the Saudis in your zeal for the arab system, nobody cares.. but we will do what we want in our ancestral homeland.

and if indeed the "indo aryans" brought dharm to this land, it was a good thing, my eternal thanks to them.

but what the muslim savages brought was not so good at all, to put it extremely mildly.

So does the Hindu holy book also go in the dust bin since you consider other holy books from other religions to go in the dust bin?

Time to be genuine now.

We don't have a one holy book that everyone must believe in or else their head will be chopped off and put for public display.

If someone here wants to throw the Gita in the dustbin because they don't like it, fine by me...

What we have here is not one "holy book", but many ancient knowledge texts, the oldest in the world, some are spiritual in nature, others are abstract, while some others yet are just records of what "science" and Astronomy etc were like back then.. they may be completely wrong and disproved by modern science, in which case we accept the modern science but we still want to keep this great ancient lineage and spiritual tradition going.

Arab Islam tried very hard but failed to destroy it, you had 1000 years, couldn't destroy it.. and now we're shoring up our defences and reinforcing.

Why do you have a problem with that ? Do what you want in Pakistan, Turkey, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan with your Islam.. leave us alone.

 

[MultaniGuy]

Agree to disagree here.North Indians,Punjabi indians and Pakistanis are same stuff.The rest of India is very different.

I agree to disagree with you here.

Punjabis only make 5% of Indians or less.

Pakistanis and Indians have completely ethnicities.

Not saying it will take power, just that it needs to be contained, we need to be very careful of this ideology and constantly monitor it... like in a biosafety level 4 laboratory.

Here we don't have "faith" in anything, that is a foreign desert ideology concept, here we question everything and try to get the answers, here it is ok to be a "non believer" in the gods, we are seekers to questions, we don't trust any "holy book" to be the 100% truth.

This is not the right forum for this discussion, religious discussion is banned as far as I understand ? and also that I am not an authority to speak about it but suffice it to say that the underlying core philosophies that guide and direct the Abrahamist "Faiths", and those that form the basis of eastern philosophy/religion (buddhism, hinduism etc) are INCOMPATIBLE... because one of them is supremacist and expansionist and intolerant of the others

So, to put it mildly, historically, Islam has just not been very good to this civilization, it is indisputable.. you seem supremely aware of this fact as you threaten with more violent expansionism...

Again, do what you want in Pakistan, trump the Saudis in your zeal for the arab system, nobody cares.. but we will do what we want in our ancestral homeland.

and if indeed the "indo aryans" brought dharm to this land, it was a good thing, my eternal thanks to them.

but what the muslim savages brought was not so good at all, to put it extremely mildly.


We don't have a one holy book that everyone must believe in or else their head will be chopped off and put for public display.

If someone here wants to throw the Gita in the dustbin because they don't like it, fine by me...

What we have here is not one "holy book", but many ancient knowledge texts, the oldest in the world, some are spiritual in nature, others are abstract, while some others yet are just records of what "science" and Astronomy etc were like back then.. they may be completely wrong and disproved by modern science, in which case we accept the modern science but we still want to keep this great ancient lineage and spiritual tradition going.

Arab Islam tried very hard but failed to destroy it, you had 1000 years, couldn't destroy it.. and now we're shoring up our defences and reinforcing.

Why do you have a problem with that ? Do what you want in Pakistan, Turkey, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan with your Islam.. leave us alone.

Name me one religion which is not supremacist.

A hindu will say non Hindu will be reincarnated as something bad.

A Buddhist will say a non-Buddhist will not reach nirvana.

And it goes on for other religions.

What about you "Hindu savages" burning their wives in sati. (Since you had the audacity to call Muslims savages in your post).

Stop acting as if you Hindus are very civilized, when you guys are not. I can put a ton of practices done by you Hindus which is simply barbaric. What about the caste system? Does that ring a bell?

lol your Hinduism needs to be contained, and thankfully nobody converts to it. I have yet to see any high ranking person convert to Hinduism.

You uneducated vermin, Islam has nothing to with Arabs.
Islam is for all mankind as the religion claims.

According to Islam, we are not here to destroy other religions. Those Hindus who converted to Islam, Buddhism, and Christianity, did it by their own choice and not by force.

 

[Hamza913]

Not saying it will take power, just that it needs to be contained, we need to be very careful of this ideology and constantly monitor it... like in a biosafety level 4 laboratory.

Here we don't have "faith" in anything, that is a foreign desert ideology concept, here we question everything and try to get the answers, here it is ok to be a "non believer" in the gods, we are seekers to questions, we don't trust any "holy book" to be the 100% truth.

This is not the right forum for this discussion, religious discussion is banned as far as I understand ? and also that I am not an authority to speak about it but suffice it to say that the underlying core philosophies that guide and direct the Abrahamist "Faiths", and those that form the basis of eastern philosophy/religion (buddhism, hinduism etc) are INCOMPATIBLE... because one of them is supremacist and expansionist and intolerant of the others

So, to put it mildly, historically, Islam has just not been very good to this civilization, it is indisputable.. you seem supremely aware of this fact as you threaten with more violent expansionism...

Again, do what you want in Pakistan, trump the Saudis in your zeal for the arab system, nobody cares.. but we will do what we want in our ancestral homeland.

and if indeed the "indo aryans" brought dharm to this land, it was a good thing, my eternal thanks to them.

but what the muslim savages brought was not so good at all, to put it extremely mildly.


We don't have a one holy book that everyone must believe in or else their head will be chopped off and put for public display.

If someone here wants to throw the Gita in the dustbin because they don't like it, fine by me...

What we have here is not one "holy book", but many ancient knowledge texts, the oldest in the world, some are spiritual in nature, others are abstract, while some others yet are just records of what "science" and Astronomy etc were like back then.. they may be completely wrong and disproved by modern science, in which case we accept the modern science but we still want to keep this great ancient lineage and spiritual tradition going.

Arab Islam tried very hard but failed to destroy it, you had 1000 years, couldn't destroy it.. and now we're shoring up our defences and reinforcing.

Why do you have a problem with that ? Do what you want in Pakistan, Turkey, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan with your Islam.. leave us alone.

If what us Muslims brought was no good, then don't be a namak haram and claim the Taj Mahal, Biryani, Shalwar Kameez, Hindi, etc as your own.

Lol what civilisation? You are a bunch of sedentary backwards vegetarians who have historically been the punching bag for Muslims. We are a FAR superior civilisation, we can look beyond race and see each other based on our ideologies, since we aren't foolish enough to believe that just because we share a common ancestry means we are allies.

 

[MultaniGuy]

If what us Muslims brought was no good, then don't be a namak haram and claim the Taj Mahal, Biryani, Shalwar Kameez, Hindi, etc as your own.

Lol what civilisation? You are a bunch of sedentary backwards vegetarians who have historically been the punching bag for Muslims. We are a FAR superior civilisation, we can look beyond race and see each other based on our ideologies, since we aren't foolish enough to believe that just because we share a common ancestry means we are allies.

lol Shalwar Kameez is not Indian.

In India they call it Kurta Pyjama. lol.

If what us Muslims brought was no good, then don't be a namak haram and claim the Taj Mahal, Biryani, Shalwar Kameez, Hindi, etc as your own.

Lol what civilisation? You are a bunch of sedentary backwards vegetarians who have historically been the punching bag for Muslims. We are a FAR superior civilisation, we can look beyond race and see each other based on our ideologies, since we aren't foolish enough to believe that just because we share a common ancestry means we are allies.

Since when do we share a common ancestry with the Indians?

Punjabis only make 5% of Indian population.

Pakistanis are completely different to Indians from an ethnicity point of view as well.

 

[Hamza913]

lol Shalwar Kameez is not Indian.

In India they call it Kurta Pyjama. lol.


Since when do we share a common ancestry with the Indians?

Punjabis only make 5% of Indian population.

Pakistanis are completely different to Indians from an ethnicity point of view as well.

Asalamu Alaikum

Their dress still stems from the Shalwar Kameez.

I'm not talking about Pakistanis and Hindustanis, I'm talking about people in general.

Rasulullah (Peace Be Upon Him) fought hard against his fellow Qurayshis, whilst taking non Qurayshis as his allies. This is an alien concept to the RSS goons across the border who see everything through the lens of race and ethnicity. It is one of the many reasons why they are inferior to us.

 

[MultaniGuy]

Their dress still stems from the Shalwar Kameez.

I'm not talking about Pakistanis and Hindustanis, I'm talking about people in general.

Rasulullah (Peace Be Upon Him) fought hard against his fellow Qurayshis, whilst taking non Qurayshis as his allies. This is an alien concept to the RSS goons across the border who see everything through the lens of race and ethnicity. It is one of the many reasons why they are inferior to us.

Agreed with you.