Who Are Muslims .? by -Dr Ram Puniyani.

[MultaniGuy]

This is the main problem. You close minded buffoons can't comprehend following ideals from a different set of people. It's one of the reasons you so vehemently deny the Indo-Aryan migrations, because otherwise that would make Hinduism just as foreign as Islam.

Anyway, just like all Hindustanis, your understanding of Islam appears to be quite shallow, most probably due to your PTSD after 1000 years of Muslims constantly attacking and expanding throughout the region.

I agree with you mate.

We have nothing to do with Indians. We are completely different to Indians.

We have our own distinct culture and identity.

 

[recon scout]

This is the main problem. You close minded buffoons can't comprehend following ideals from a different set of people. It's one of the reasons you so vehemently deny the Indo-Aryan migrations, because otherwise that would make Hinduism just as foreign as Islam.

Anyway, just like all Hindustanis, your understanding of Islam appears to be quite shallow, most probably due to your PTSD after 1000 years of Muslims constantly attacking and expanding throughout the region.

I'm NOT part of the RSS and do not align with them on every issue.

Aryan Invasion or Out of India.. I couldn't care less

in either case something good was being either imported or exported, which is way more than I can say for these violently expansionist abrahamist desert systems that already have homes in arabia and israel etc..

 

[Hamza913]

I'm NOT part of the RSS and do not align with them on every issue.

Aryan Invasion or Out of India.. I couldn't care less

in either case something good was being either imported or exported, which is way more than I can say for these violently expansionist abrahamist desert systems that already have homes in arabia and israel etc..

Did I say you are part of the RSS? Don't put words in my mouth.

You should, because it means Hinduism is as foreign as Islam is.

Boo hoo, again, you just have PTSD over our conquests of the region.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Partition of India was a good thing, or eventually we'd have a civil war where casualties would be worse than during partition, you know it too. You can blame unaccommodating "hindu" leaders all you want but the root of it was an invasive foreign ideology that divided the people in the first place.

It is not bigotry to be wary of a foreign IDEOLOGY, one that was destructive when the foreign invaders originally bought it over with them, one that was ultimately responsible for the fracturing of the land from which the modern nation state emerged, and one, that sadly, continues to chip away at both the territorial and cultural integrity of this great old civilization.

This is not about muslims as a people, unlike on your side of the fence, everyone is equal under our constitution here and nobody has a desire to change that, in fact we guard it with out lives... and that is because, not despite India being a majority dharmic peoples' state.

In a way it is quite admirable how the Pakistani people and state hang onto their adopted (but historically speaking, imposed) culture. The soul harvester missionaries don't dare venture into there...

To conclude, yes, there are societal problems and bigotry and sometimes worse directed at the muslims here, don't like it, don't support it, it should not be there but the state is fair in its dealings with the citizenry.

We do need to keep these expansionist desert ideologies in check though.. you guys across the fence can go full saudi, no objections, we have no broblem how you manage your own chunk of land.

namaste !

The difference between Pakistan and india is not just religion. It is also racial. The vast majority of people who make up modern day Pakistan and india have different racial origins. If that were not the case then the Persian tribes of the Pakistani Pathans and Balouch would be the same race as south indians and over 90% of indians would be Punjabi, not the actual figure of 5% at most.

 

[MultaniGuy]

The difference between Pakistan and india is not just religion. It is also racial. The vast majority of people who make up modern day Pakistan and india have different racial origins. If that were not the case then the Persian tribes of the Pakistani Pathans and Balouch would be the same race as south indians and over 90% of indians would be Punjabi, not the actual figure of 5% at most.

Exactly, Pakistan and India have different ethnicities.

We have nothing in common with Indians.

 

[recon scout]

Which is "this land" and "people"? Can you please give me exactly what you are on about? What is it that you are trying to reify?

not going to play this game with you, old man, go bait a low IQ troll to have your fun.. there's plenty to be had of every variety here.

Did I say you are part of the RSS? Don't put words in my mouth.

You should, because it means Hinduism is as foreign as Islam is.

Boo hoo, again, you just have PTSD over our conquests of the region.

fine, I'll play along.. "hinduism" might be foreign and the proto indo europeans (nord goras) brought it over thousands of years ago.. so what ?

if that is the case, it was a GOOD import !

the abrahamist stuff, not so good

historically speaking, the Arab system has been the most destructive to our civilization

but you do what you want in your areas, nobody cares.

The difference between Pakistan and india is not just religion. It is also racial. The vast majority of people who make up modern day Pakistan and india have different racial origins. If that were not the case then the Persian tribes of the Pakistani Pathans and Balouch would be the same race as south indians and over 90% of indians would be Punjabi, not the actual figure of 5% at most.

so what ? the north east Indians are racially different to the rest, the south, broadly speaking, is different racially than the north of India.. even within the north, we have different "racial" subgroups.

what's your point ?

the main difference is religion and culture.. you follow an arab system, we have our own indigenous one here that we wish to preserve, and we will

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

not going to play this game with you, old man, go bait a low IQ troll to have your fun.. there's plenty to be had of every variety here.


fine, I'll play along.. "hinduism" might be foreign and the proto indo europeans (nord goras) brought it over thousands of years ago.. so what ?

if that is the case, it was a GOOD import !

the abrahamist stuff, not so good

historically speaking, the Arab system has been the most destructive to our civilization

but you do what you want in your areas, nobody cares.


so what ? the north east Indians are racially different to the rest, the south, broadly speaking, is different racially than the north of India.. even within the north, we have different "racial" subgroups.

what's your point ?

the main difference is religion and culture.. you follow an arab system, we have our own indigenous one here that we wish to preserve, and we will

indians may have different ethnic/racial groups amongst themselves but they are virtually all completely different to the racial and ethnic groups of Pakistan. That is a HUGE difference. As a result our nations are both racially and religiously different. That's the point. Whatever system they both implement will be ones that are appropriate and conducive to those racial and religious differences.


The point I made in a previous post was a response to an indian who ignorantly and falsely claimed that india and Pakistan cannot be cut off from one another as they are too "similar". I corrected him of this falsehood.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

indians may have different ethnic/racial groups amongst themselves but they are virtually all completely different to the racial and ethnic groups of Pakistan. That is a HUGE difference. As a result our nations are both racially and religiously different. That's the point. Whatever system they both implement will be ones that are appropriate and conducive to those racial and religious differences.


The point I made in a previous post was a response to an indian who ignorantly and falsely claimed that india and Pakistan cannot be cut off from one another as they are too "similar". I corrected him of this falsehood.

Look at this -

South Asia transposed on Europe. Islamabad falls somewhere over Frankfurt, Germany [most of Pakistan over France], Karachi near Barcelona, Spain, New Delhi near Croatia, Mumbai hits Africa in Tunisia, Chennai again Libya in Africa near Benghazi, Kolkata over Istanbul in Turkey and Dhaka capital of Bangladesh in Ankara, Turkey. This gives you some idea of diversity and scale. If anything it is Europe that has been sliced and divided by history since fall of the Roman Empire. India itself manages to score Western Europe, Eastern Europe, North Africa and Asia Minor.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Look at this -

South Asia transposed on Europe. Islamabad falls somewhere over Frankfurt, Germany [most of Pakistan over France], Karachi near Barcelona, Spain, New Delhi near Croatia, Mumbai hits Africa in Tunisia, Chennai again Libya in Africa near Benghazi, Kolkata over Istanbul in Turkey and Dhaka capital of Bangladesh in Ankara, Turkey. This gives you some idea of diversity and scale. If anything it is Europe that has been sliced and divided by history since fall of the Roman Empire. India itself manages to score Western Europe, Eastern Europe, North Africa and Asia Minor.

The above also proves that the differences between Pakistan and india/bangladesh is more than just religion but is also racial. These differences can never be bridged.

 

[Hamza913]

fine, I'll play along.. "hinduism" might be foreign and the proto indo europeans (nord goras) brought it over thousands of years ago.. so what ?

if that is the case, it was a GOOD import !

the abrahamist stuff, not so good

historically speaking, the Arab system has been the most destructive to our civilization

but you do what you want in your areas, nobody cares.

They were not nord goras, they would have probably been a mix between white/light brown people (similar to how people in Kashmir look).

A good import according to who? You? Not a very good indicator, that's very subjective. Historically speaking, they do seem to have almost completely wiped out the previous culture, and set up a brutal caste system which forever punished the local people who did not cooperate with them (the ones that did cooperate mixed with them). The Muslim conquests never did that, there was no erasing of cultures, nor was a caste system put in place (some people did try to implement one but failed).

Under the Muslims, the region was protected from foreign powers, e.g without Aladdin Khiliji the Mongols would have completely leveled the place, and the region was at its peak in terms of development under Muslim rule, e.g under Shah Jahan the region had the highest GDP in the world.

The Muslim rulers also had a great influence upon the culture of the region just like the Indo-Aryans. Many types of food (e.g Qeema and Biryani) come from them, as does the language (Urdu and Hindi, both come from Hindustani which the Muslims made). Even some clothes (e.g Shalwar Kameez) come from these guys. They have also built magnificent structures across the region, how many structures did the Indo-Aryans leave?

 

[recon scout]

They were not nord goras, they would have probably been a mix between white/light brown people (similar to how people in Kashmir look).

A good import according to who? You? Not a very good indicator, that's very subjective. Historically speaking, they do seem to have almost completely wiped out the previous culture, and set up a brutal caste system which forever punished the local people who did not cooperate with them (the ones that did cooperate mixed with them). The Muslim conquests never did that, there was no erasing of cultures, nor was a caste system put in place (some people did try to implement one but failed).

Under the Muslims, the region was protected from foreign powers, e.g without Aladdin Khiliji the Mongols would have completely leveled the place, and the region was at its peak in terms of development under Muslim rule, e.g under Shah Jahan the region had the highest GDP in the world.

The Muslim rulers also had a great influence upon the culture of the region just like the Indo-Aryans. Many types of food (e.g Qeema and Biryani) come from them, as does the language (Urdu and Hindi, both come from Hindustani which the Muslims made). Even some clothes (e.g Shalwar Kameez) come from these guys. They have also built magnificent structures across the region, how many structures did the Indo-Aryans leave?

The caste system, as we know it today, is a perversion of the original idea, but more importantly, there is no discrimination allowed based on "caste" in our constitution.

Rest of your post is regurgitated marxist garbage, we'll take the monuments and food, thanks much.. but Islam has been a destructive force to our civilization, you know it too.

 

[Hamza913]

The caste system, as we know it today, is a perversion of the original idea, but more importantly, there is no discrimination allowed based on "caste" in our constitution.

Rest of your post is regurgitated marxist garbage, we'll take the monuments and food, thanks much.. but Islam has been a destructive force to our civilization, you know it too.

Your constitution might not have it, but that doesn't mean your people don't. Just look at how dalits are treated today.

Marxist? Are you high? Since when did I say anything Marxist?

Lol talk about pick and mixing! You can't just claim the achievements of my people and then foul mouth them at the same time, unless you enjoy being a namak haram.

 

[MultaniGuy]

The caste system, as we know it today, is a perversion of the original idea, but more importantly, there is no discrimination allowed based on "caste" in our constitution.

Rest of your post is regurgitated marxist garbage, we'll take the monuments and food, thanks much.. but Islam has been a destructive force to our civilization, you know it too.

When you mean your civilization, you mean Hinduism?

Those Hindus converted to other religions such as Islam, Christianity, and Buddhism by their choice not by force.

 

[recon scout]

Your constitution might not have it, but that doesn't mean your people don't. Just look at how dalits are treated today.

Marxist? Are you high? Since when did I say anything Marxist?

Lol talk about pick and mixing! You can't just claim the achievements of my people and then foul mouth them at the same time, unless you enjoy being a namak haram.

I will take your peoples poetry, kebabs and monuments all day long, but the holy books go in the dust bin, not welcome here.

the arab system has been a destructive force to our civilization, you gloat over it, you obviously know it too.

just concerned about the future, not bitter about the past.

I'm sure you feel strongly about your Islamic (arab) civilization too.

When you mean your civilization, you mean Hinduism?

Those Hindus converted to other religions such as Islam, Christianity, and Buddhism by their choice not by force.

Our civilization is what has existed on this land for thousands of years, it did not come from the deserts of Israel and Arabia.

Again, it is the predatory, expansionist, violent, intolerant and supremacist behaviour of the abrahamist systems that is the cause of worry.

You want to keep Pakistan Islamic, and I want to keep Islam away from power here, have nothing against local muslims though..

 

[MultaniGuy]

I will take your peoples poetry, kebabs and monuments all day long, but the holy books go in the dust bin, not welcome here.

the arab system has been a destructive force to our civilization, you gloat over it, you obviously know it too.

just concerned about the future, not bitter about the past.

I'm sure you feel strongly about your Islamic (arab) civilization too.


Our civilization is what has existed on this land for thousands of years, it did not come from the deserts of Israel and Arabia.

Again, it is the predatory, expansionist, violent, intolerant and supremacist behaviour of the abrahamist systems that is the cause of worry.

You want to keep Pakistan Islamic, and I want to keep Islam away from power here, have nothing against local muslims though..

India can remain a secular country. India is not a Muslim majority country even. So what makes you think Islam will take power in India?