Where have all the females gone?

[anonymousposter]

dude, that black chick is gorgeous! why would that be a bad thing for China? For african men on the otherhand....

sinochallenger,
when i read your posts, all the sudden i lose my politically correct liberal world view and come to the conclusion that the hard and harsh measures that the top leadership of the communist party is justified. I can only emphasize with really smart guys like Hu Jin Tao, because for every one genius China has, there is an army of dumb schmucks behind him all weighing him down. SoI can only empathize with communist leadership who say China is not ready for democracy, because it will mean that a bunch of idiots will rule. If I was Chinese and I was a politburo member, I too would have to resort to lying, hoodwinking, and using other questionable tactics, because afterall, it is very difficult to turn an idiot into someone intelligent, but easy to manipulate idiots into doing things that they should.

fairandbalanced,
it's a breath of fresh air to see some intelligent posting. thank you. now, as you say, older men marrying younger women would do a lot to alleviate the problem. however in every advanced country, the trend is for women to marry later in life. especially due to china's 1 child policy, every daughter is just as important as a son in advancing their careers. so it will be too difficult to start a trend of convincing women to marry younger..,

education as you say, will change cultural attitude so that is a long term solution. but in the short term, educated women means, women who marry later in life, so at least in the short term, China will experience the same sex gap issue as S Korea.,,

as for death penalty... well, yes... but it's sort of the solution that IS the problem. Crime rates are high amongst unwed young men. in other words, i would conjecture that a lack of women causes crime. this also has political implication in terms of the stability of the chinese communist party. and i doubt executing prisoners will be enough in gapping the imbalance...

affirmative action is as you said, one of the high point of communist rule. they have done much, but again, this is lng term solution when we need a short term fix...

i'm not sure if a "peace corp" type of hardhanded measure would be politically possible in the new modern china..l. but i dont know enough about china to say how that will work out. although it may buy some time for China.,,


i think though, China might be better off than India in terms of gender imbalance. if any indian reader sees this, please understand i'm not saying China is a better country than India. India is more traditional country than China and more indians will have access to ultrasound sex testing. as indians get richer, the sex imbalance will worsen. on the otherhand, China has the option of getting rid og one child policy. But more importantly, more money means, more ability to seduce women.

Both China and India will seek to find ways to find wives and their solution will look similar. But if China and India succeed in balancing, it would leave someone else imbalanced....

ahh well.. we will all have to do our best to live in a balanced and fair world somehow.,,

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

dude, that black chick is gorgeous! why would that be a bad thing for China? For african men on the otherhand....

sinochallenger,
when i read your posts, all the sudden i lose my politically correct liberal world view and come to the conclusion that the hard and harsh measures that the top leadership of the communist party is justified. I can only emphasize with really smart guys like Hu Jin Tao, because for every one genius China has, there is an army of dumb schmucks behind him all weighing him down. SoI can only empathize with communist leadership who say China is not ready for democracy, because it will mean that a bunch of idiots will rule. If I was Chinese and I was a politburo member, I too would have to resort to lying, hoodwinking, and using other questionable tactics, because afterall, it is very difficult to turn an idiot into someone intelligent, but easy to manipulate idiots into doing things that they should.

fairandbalanced,
it's a breath of fresh air to see some intelligent posting. thank you. now, as you say, older men marrying younger women would do a lot to alleviate the problem. however in every advanced country, the trend is for women to marry later in life. especially due to china's 1 child policy, every daughter is just as important as a son in advancing their careers. so it will be too difficult to start a trend of convincing women to marry younger..,

education as you say, will change cultural attitude so that is a long term solution. but in the short term, educated women means, women who marry later in life, so at least in the short term, China will experience the same sex gap issue as S Korea.,,

as for death penalty... well, yes... but it's sort of the solution that IS the problem. Crime rates are high amongst unwed young men. in other words, i would conjecture that a lack of women causes crime. this also has political implication in terms of the stability of the chinese communist party. and i doubt executing prisoners will be enough in gapping the imbalance...

affirmative action is as you said, one of the high point of communist rule. they have done much, but again, this is lng term solution when we need a short term fix...

i'm not sure if a "peace corp" type of hardhanded measure would be politically possible in the new modern china..l. but i dont know enough about china to say how that will work out. although it may buy some time for China.,,


i think though, China might be better off than India in terms of gender imbalance. if any indian reader sees this, please understand i'm not saying China is a better country than India. India is more traditional country than China and more indians will have access to ultrasound sex testing. as indians get richer, the sex imbalance will worsen. on the otherhand, China has the option of getting rid og one child policy. But more importantly, more money means, more ability to seduce women.

Both China and India will seek to find ways to find wives and their solution will look similar. But if China and India succeed in balancing, it would leave someone else imbalanced....

ahh well.. we will all have to do our best to live in a balanced and fair world somehow.,,

here is what i think: the older men marrying younger women will happen naturally. yes, women will marry later, but the men will marry even later. in Chinese culture, most women in the past married very early, but now they marry in the late 20's. This is good enough, and our culture heavily encourages marriage. We are not so westernized. On the other hand we are not so Confucian either and we can change attitudes quickly because, thanks to the CR, many of the old attitudes are gone. China's culture has basically been built up from scratch, though it has a great deal of traditional influence, as well as Western influence, it is basically a break with the past and with other countries since 1949. South Korea is a naturally conservative country, but I don't think China is, and I think the tides will turn quicker. That is why I think that the issue of educated women marrying later isn't so important, since there's going to be less opposition from men to marry highly educated women.

Yes, the trend is that people are marrying older, but the men will also be older. actually, the current generation has little to worry about, it is the next (post 1995 born) that will have problems, so the key is to push the problem down the line for them. We probably won't see the effects of the imbalance until 2025+ and it will last for maybe 15 years.

Also, excess males has 2 good points. The first is that there's a large force for physical labor, which China is still going to need even 30 years later. The second is that male-male competition will drive not only negative social aspects, but maybe also positive social aspects. If you're smart, you're going to outcompete other males for college entrance, jobs or grad school seats, etc. It might even encourage males who can't handle it to move overseas, maybe to Africa, Southeast Asia or Latin America.

As for immediate solutions to solve this problem, i really don't think affirmative action alone is going to work. there has to be other incentives. after all, there's been affirmative action since 1998 yet the problem got worse 1995-2005, with the declines coming in only post 2005.

There can be other solutions though.

1.) Create a rural girl's health fund that pays money to parents of girls and gives them better health insurance. Have to benefit the parents too.
2.) Legalize gay marriage... this one I missed last time, and this is important, since there are estimated 19 million homosexuals here. Allowing these people to be free to pursue their dreams is the right thing to do in human rights terms, would be a huge propaganda victory, and as a bonus it reduces pressure on normal males. I think this will work politically, since we are not so conservative like other Asian countries.
3.) Legalize and heavily regulate pros- . This will also reduce crime and reduce pressure on males.

 

[anonymousposter]

interesting points.

just to nitpickma bit though, legalizing gay marriage, something i believe in as a matter of principle, i doubt would help i. the sex gap issue... because there are also lesbians... it probably evens out...

in anycase i wanted to ask you about your foot signature about chang doo jeong and bo xilai. are there any english language site that discuss this? many thanks. Some analysts claim that bo xilai's demise might mean a more stern chinese approach to north korea. but if zhang dejiang is a yanbian native and north korean educated, wouldnt it mean the exact opposite? sorry to digress on thread. just wanted to get some chinese opinions on this whole bo xilai affairs.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

interesting points.

just to nitpickma bit though, legalizing gay marriage, something i believe in as a matter of principle, i doubt would help i. the sex gap issue... because there are also lesbians... it probably evens out...

in anycase i wanted to ask you about your foot signature about chang doo jeong and bo xilai. are there any english language site that discuss this? many thanks. Some analysts claim that bo xilai's demise might mean a more stern chinese approach to north korea. but if zhang dejiang is a yanbian native and north korean educated, wouldnt it mean the exact opposite? sorry to digress on thread. just wanted to get some chinese opinions on this whole bo xilai affairs.

I read somewhere that most homosexuals in China are male. That's because our culture discourages female homosexuality much more than male homosexuality. Indeed, its possible to suppress female homosexuality through education, and we just keep silent on male homosexuality.

http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=IS04C02

According to the 2000 Census, the adult population of Vermont is 461,304.[22] Based on the Demography study, a reasonable estimate of the number of homosexuals and lesbians in Vermont would be approximately 5,600 (2.5 percent of the adult male population) for male homosexuals, and approximately 3,300 (1.4 percent of the adult female population) for lesbians, for a total of approximately 8,900 homosexuals and lesbians. [Note: these are only rough approximations for purposes of statistical comparison.]

Majority of homosexuals are males, and we can suppress the number of females easier than we can suppress the number of males.

Actually, Bo Xilai is very different from the North Korean style. Bo Xilai's style is populism - whatever makes him popular, he does. People complained that the healthcare system is full of corruption. So Bo Xilai put all the healthcare acquisition data online. Is that left, right, or middle? None, it is just popular, so he does it. People complained that there was big crime. So he cracked down hard. The "red songs" stuff is done to get people's spirits up, not because of any ideology. After all, Bo Xilai attracted investment as well.

Zhang is just a shady character overall. He was the one who tried to cover up SARS in Guangdong in 2002, for example. Then he has the dubious honor to be the first to authorize use of police forces against protesters in more than 20 years. This guy is a good politician (as in, good at politics, not in morality) but overall doesn't really accomplish much and is pretty brutal. No one reins him in though because he's good pals with former President Jiang, but once Jiang bites the dust in the next 10 years, wonder what happens to this guy?

Foreign policy isn't determined by any one person, or any one organization even. There are lots of think tanks and pressure groups here. Whats good for one is not good for another so in the end it has to be a consensus.

 

[anonymousposter]

thanks very much fairandunbiased.

this whole bo xilai thing is very fascinating, because i dnot really understand how beijing works and why he was removed from power. on the wiki it says that there was corruption charges ans murder charge. but it is hard to choose who to believe.

i am mostly interested in Korea China relations, so it is fascinating that a man educated in "economics" from Kim Il Sung university have become a high ranking man of power. first of all, i wonder, what is taught as "economics" in north korea? is he supposed to be a point man in regard to north korea related issue? Did he learn harsh tactics from the north koreans? i want to know what his relationship is with north korea...

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

thanks very much fairandunbiased.

this whole bo xilai thing is very fascinating, because i dnot really understand how beijing works and why he was removed from power. on the wiki it says that there was corruption charges ans murder charge. but it is hard to choose who to believe.

i am mostly interested in Korea China relations, so it is fascinating that a man educated in "economics" from Kim Il Sung university have become a high ranking man of power. first of all, i wonder, what is taught as "economics" in north korea? is he supposed to be a point man in regard to north korea related issue? Did he learn harsh tactics from the north koreans? i want to know what his relationship is with north korea...

Economics in NK is probably mostly what is regarded as Operations Research in other parts of the world: linear programming and optimization, statistics, econometrics, control theory, numerical analysis, etc along with things like management philosophy and human factors.

He has little relationship with NK I believe.

Our government works like this: briefly, direct elections of representatives and leaders at lower levels, indirect at higher levels, unelected and not very accountable bureaucracy (these are the guys everyone hates), single national party, parallel party-state tracks, top leadership of 9 people.