When India Invaded Pakistan

[T90TankGuy]

Exactly.

Indian started the war , not Pakistan. So please tell this to your poor brainwashed masses.... Pakistan was just creating a low-level insurgency in Kashmir (Not even mainland India) ... We also think that India is creating insurgency in Balochistan...but we don't invade Indian international borders...

Indian invasion of Lahore is what formally started 1965 war ... which ended in Pakistan's military victory as Pakistan defeated Indian attack on Lahore city and forced indians to retreat , captured strategically important Indian towns like Khem Kharan , captured strategically important Indian supply-lines like Muna Bao railway station , PAF just badly battered five times larger IAF , and all this eventually forced India to face the humiliation of signing an agreement of stalemate with SEVEN TIMES smaller nation-that was badly outgunned and outnumbered during the war... Your OWN media back then called it as "giving a walkover to Pakistan."

So we have no problem with your 'reply' ...but just don't brainwashed your masses that Pakistan started the war. It was aggressor India who invaded the West Pakistan.

i constantly hear that Pakistan won 3 of the four wars with India . if so mind explaining how you guys never gained an inch of Indian territory in 65 yrs but lost half your country? if thats called winning . good on you mate

 

[MandarK]

Funny Logic....Pakistanies expecting its natural enemy to fight a WAR on their rules......pata nahe kya soch rahe hai sab k sab....

nope it is line of control now not an actual border. but yes crossing the wagah border or sindh or punjab would be seen as an act of war.

That means if India attacks GB and P.0.k then it will not be an act of war??

 

[humanfirst]

nope it is line of control now not an actual border. but yes crossing the wagah border or sindh or punjab would be seen as an act of war.

You are plain lying here..If we start a military action to capture pak administered kashmir it is 1000% sure that pak govt and the entire international community will consider it an act of waar.

 

[Arav_Rana]

another thread on 1965 ?? good..

 

[humanfirst]

In 1965 it was the operation gibralter that forced india to cross border..Pakistanis started with operation gibralter and ended up defending lahore,which they did pretty well.But they agreed to ceasefire without achieving any objectives of operation gibralter which they started in the first place..IS THAT A VICTORY??

 

[Grindel]

Yes it was, and will always be Indian

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/milita...n-india-invaded-pakistan-2.html#ixzz264d9iHMY

i think you were not good in history and geography subjects in school

 

[humanfirst]

It is funny that many pakistanis find solace in not allowing india to capture territory..!!Forgetting that india's actions were defensive to the operation gibalter.And the events in later years have clearly shown that it is never in india's intention to capture pak lands.We are happy with the status quo..Do the jingoistic idiots blabbering about "shivering dhotis" know that india had captured more than 13000 squire miles in 1971 war(in which pak surrenderd) and later gave those area back?If we were to destroy them we had a window of 20 years where we unilaterally possessed nuclear weapons.And a year after they tested nukes pakistan started kargil war(see the difference)!!!

 

[drunken-monke]

The guy above me gives "globalsecurity.org" as a "source" ?

Whats next? India TV?

And third eye...I'm not talking about reaction etc...but the fact that India started the war and not Pakistan.

Simple

Let me please troll a bit... Is that your so called "fact" is just a satisfaction to your wet dreams????

kashmir is considered as integral part of India... Any attack on it should be considered as attack on motherland... Do you believe that military rulers of Pakistan would have made it possible for your fellow nation mates to swallow the fact that they were aggressor and the motive was badly rebounded on themselves when India escalated the war on different fronts...

Let me give you another example of this... What does Kargil Misadventure tought in Pakistan as?? A calculated agression?? No matter how much cost we have to pay for releasing our motherland from the hands of attackers, the mission was accomplished... Living in the world of denial wont gonna help Pakistanis to make real progress.

Just accept the fact that Pakistan had miscalculated the abilities of India... They were under belief that, India is a soft target due to 1962 incidence and they would get help from Local Kashmiris. But what happened was exactly opposite to the Pakistani anticipation.. If the war would have lasted more, sure the heat would have been more on Pakistan side.

Yes at Tashkent, Pakistan gained more compared to the war senario... But it wont change the "FACTS" of 1965...

ok.

1965: Indian Army invades W Pakistan​

Indian troops have invaded West Pakistan, crossing the border at three points in an attack which appears to be aimed mainly at the city of Lahore.

Authorities in Delhi say their action was intended to prevent a direct attack by Pakistani forces against India.

On 25 August, Pakistani soldiers launched a covert operation across the ceasefire line, established in 1949 after the first Indo-Pakistani war, into Indian-administered Jammu and Kashmir.

Since then there have been a number of clashes along the ceasefire line, but this is the first time Indian troops have crossed into West Pakistan in what is being seen as an act of war.

Now why not these infiltrations should be considered as act of war??? Please justify, i will rest my case..

 

[Grindel]

kashmir is considered as integral part of India

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/milita...n-india-invaded-pakistan-5.html#ixzz264kkE9DJ

and the **** continuous. . . . .

 

[drunken-monke]

We did not.

War started after formal invasion of Lahore by India...

Learn the difference between 'formal invasion' and 'creating insurgency'

Insurgency at that level in nothing but act of war... I think drone attacks have made belief of pakistan to change completly about "acts of war"

Stop repeating the old story, Kashmir was never "Integral" part of India. The agreement states clearly that as soon as law and order have been restored in Kashmir, State's accession should be settled by a reference to the people.

Then the referendom should be done on complete Kashmir... Pakistan was not ready for this.. they refused to let P0K to participate in referendom... Now how can half of Kashmir participates in referendom where as other half just watch the show?? Or may put this way, was Pakistan afraid that the teritory they have gained in 1947 would be lost in referendom???

poor shastri died of heartattack due to the LOSS! very sad! the indians still cry about 1965 and their come back is 71 we beat you in your civil war!

Ya.. A civil war where Pakistani armed forces lost

 

[Grindel]

Then the referendom should be done on complete Kashmir... Pakistan was not ready for this.. they refused to let P0K to participate in referendom... Now how can half of Kashmir participates in referendom where as other half just watch the show?? Or may put this way, was Pakistan afraid that the teritory they have gained in 1947 would be lost in referendom???

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/milita...n-india-invaded-pakistan-5.html#ixzz264nzfu7H

then stop calling the Kashmir as an integral part of India untill the referendum is held in whole Kashmir. It is dispute territory, not and integral part of any one of the country

 

[drunken-monke]

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/milita...n-india-invaded-pakistan-5.html#ixzz264nzfu7H

then stop calling the Kashmir as an integral part of India untill the referendum is held in whole Kashmir. It is dispute territory, not and integral part of any one of the country

If you call Kashmir not a part of India, you even dont have right to call it as part of Pakistan... How the heck Pakistan acceded the trans karakoram to China?? Atleast we fight for our motherland and dont gift it to the so called most seasoned friend...

 

[Riteon]

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/milita...n-india-invaded-pakistan-5.html#ixzz264nzfu7H

then stop calling the Kashmir as an integral part of India untill the referendum is held in whole Kashmir. It is dispute territory, not and integral part of any one of the country

Pakistan = disputed territory
India = Integral part


So learn to live with it........keep your viewpoint and next time too say that as the reason when you fail .........

 

[OrionHunter]

It is obvious from the above facts that India is the one who started the war and invaded Pakistan.

Nonsensical tripe! Pakistan was the West's darling during that period, resulting in utterly biased reports by the Western media!

So who started the war? Here are some experts....

OPERATION “GIBRALTAR”

Maj (Retd) AGHA HUMAYUN AMIN

1965 was an eventful year in Indo-Pak history. The Pakistani military ruler Ayub emerged victorious in the Presidential elections held in January 1965 amidst allegations of rigging. This factor created a desire in Ayub to improve his political image by a limited gain in the realm of foreign relations. He got an opportunity to do so in April 1965 over a minor border dispute with India in the Rann of Kutch area. The Pakistan Army dominated the skirmishes in the Rann area as a result of which a climate of overconfidence was created in the Pakistani military and political establishment.

In May 1965 following the jubilation in Pakistan because of the Rann affair Ayub became keen to launch the proposed “Operation Gibraltar”: a proposed plan to launch guerrillas into Indian held Kashmir with the objective of creating a popular uprising, finally forcing India to, abandon Kashmir. Ayub went to Murree on 13 May 1965 to attend a briefing on the conduct of Operation Gibraltar. In this briefing Ayub “examined” the “Operation Gibraltar” plan prepared by Major General Akhtar Malik, the General Officer Commanding (GOC) 12 Division. The 12 Division was responsible for the defence of the entire border of Pakistan occupied Kashmir from Ladakh in the north till Chamb near the internationally recognised border to the south. It was during this briefing that Ayub suggested that the 12 Division should also capture Akhnur. This attack was codenamed “Operation Grand Slam”. General Musa, the then C in C Army and Altaf Gauhar the then Information Secretary and Ayub’s close confidant, the two principal defenders of Ayub have not given any explanation about what exactly was the strategic rationale of “Grand Slam” and what was its proposed timing in relation to “Operation Gibraltar”.

The confusion in history writing in Pakistan may be gauged from the fact that Shaukat Riza’s book on 1965 War, despite being Pakistan Army’s official account does not contain the two words “Operation Gibraltar”! It appears that the idea of launching a guerrilla war in Indian held Kashmir was in vogue since the 1950s.

General Gul Hassan states that the secret “Kashmir Cell” formed by the Foreign Office on Ayub’s orders consisting of various key officials including the DMO i.e Gul Hassan was informed by the Foreign Secretary Aziz Ahmad that the President had ordered GHQ to prepare two plans to encourage/provide all out support sabotage/guerrilla operations in Indian Held Kashmir. Gul states that the decision to mount guerrilla operations with active Pakistan Army involvement was taken after the Rann of Katch skirmish. Altaf Gauhar who was the Information Secretary at that time claims that the Foreign Secretary Aziz Ahmad had “convinced himself that Pakistan was in a position to dislodge the Indians from Kashmir” and that “Once trained Pakistani soldiers went inside Kashmir the people of the Valley would spontaneously rise in revolt” and that “fear of China would prevent the Indians from provoking an all out war that would give Pakistan army the opportunity to drive the Indians out of Kashmir just as it had done in the Rann of Kutch”. Gauhar further claimed that the Inter Services Intelligence (ISI) Directorate and the Foreign Office drew up the plan for Operation Gibraltar.

The infiltration operation of the Gibraltar Force commenced from first week of August 1965.

The local population of Indian Held Kashmir did not co-operate with the Gibraltar Force and by 18th August the operations of the Gibraltar Force were considerably reduced. The Indians brought in additional troops and the infiltration operation was checked by 20th August.

There is absolutely no doubt that Gibraltar was an undoubted failure! The loss of Hajipir Pass, the principal logistic base of the infiltrators on 28th August and Indian successes in the Neelam Valley and opposite Uri on 29-31st August 1965 unnerved the Pakistani GHQ who assumed that Muzaffarabad was about to be attacked!

The supposed liberators of Indian Held Kashmir were more worried now about what they had held before commencement of hostilities! It was under these circumstances that the Pakistani GHQ ordered execution of Grand Slam with the aim of relieving Indian pressure against Muzaffarabad! Shaukat Riza the official historian of the 1965 War admitted that by 31 August the Indians had ruptured 12 Division’s defences and this was the main reason why the GHQ decided to attack Chamb “to ease pressure on 12 Division”.
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SO WHO STARTED THE 1965 WAR? NOW YOU KNOW! From a Pakistani Army historian himself!!

more here....Grand Slam - A Battle of Lost Opportunities

 

[Contrarian]

lol. Now the next best thing -

No no, we just invaded Kashmir. You waged war! No no, you waged war! We just send in some fine people to stroll in your kashmir. It wasnt an act of aggression. But You responded. You should have just accepted whatever we do and not responded.

You didnt even win in 1971. We gave away East Pakistan as Bangladesh willingly! You lost cuz its a Muslim nation see!

Oh the histrionics of Pakistani members, shying away from facing the real history!