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When did the number of Jews murdered by the Nazis become well known at 6 million?

For those like @Hassan Al-Somal claim that they have no opinion whether the Holocaust occured, while at the same time show extremism hatred against Jews.

When did the number of Jews murdered by the Nazis become well known at 6 million?



Contrary to popular belief this has nothing to do with Nazi records. There is this “half-myth” that floats around that the Nazis were great record keepers and thanks to these records we can accurately identify the number of Jews who were murdered in the Holocaust. This is inaccurate.

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To be clear the Nazis were great record keepers when they wanted to be. When it came to government administration, military accounting, and economic output the Nazis kept fantastic records. Moreover, many Nazi Generals survived the war and wrote extensively about their experiences before and during the war.

When it comes to the Holocaust we do have source documents that prove a lot and these documents are beyond valuable. They are exceedingly rare though and there isn’t a master list or anything like that. There is a good reason for this though.

As WW2 got going Hitler personally ordered the extermination of disabled persons in the infamous “Aktion T4”. This included a signed order from Hitler to identify, round up, and exterminate all disabled persons. There was an immediate response from the German people and the international community. So Hitler publically backtraced and canceled the order while continuing the extermination in secret. Protesting families were told that their loved ones were being transported to hospitals when really they were killed in the very vans that were supposed to take them there (the Nazis used gas vans as well as gas chambers).

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Hitler was thus never going to sign an order to kill all the Jews nor would anyone else. The entire SS high command was very hush-hush about the whole thing. They used code words, destroyed documents, bug up mass graves to burn the bodies, and very secretly went about their evil work.

There was never a list of all the Jews the Nazis killed. There were not even lists for individual concentration camps. In rare instances, we have records that show how many death certificates were sent out by the Nazis or how many inmates in a camp had died but these records are incomplete. At Auschwitz for instance there is a book that records some 70,000 who had died in the camp but this list excludes the 900,000 who were killed in the gas chambers upon arrival and the other 120,000 that died in the death marches or from various acts of brutality.


So where do we get “6 million” from and when did we identify that number?

So to answer the question the first estimate of “6 million” came about in 1945. A top SS official named Dr. Wilhelm Hoettl stated under oath that Adolf Eichmann had reported 6 million Jews killed. This was the first estimate we really had and it was based just upon a single confession.

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Past that we have to turn to data to find the answer. Prior to WW2 various nations and groups collected census data as we do today. A few examples include

  1. The Jewish Almanac in 1938
  2. The German Minority Census of 1939
  3. The Polish census of 1939
  4. Census data from the USSR from 1933–1940
Thanks to this data we have some idea of how many Jewish were alive in 1939 both globally and in Europe. Roughly speaking there were about 9 to 9.5 million Jewish in Europe and 15.5 to 15.8 million globally.

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We then know that by the time the war ended there were only about 3.5 million Jews left in Europe and somewhere around 9 million left globally.


So we have a disparity here of about 6 million. The question is how many of these people died in the Holocaust and how many died from other causes? You have to factor in death rates, birth rates, and the effect WW2 had on those statistics.

This is why figures vary because it depends on how you factor in death rates, birth rates, and what census data you use. Some historians peg the number at 5.2 million others say it could be as high as 6.2 million. Sadly we won’t ever know.

When it comes to totaling up how many were killed at the various camps we are also having to infer a bit.

Take Treblinka, an extermination camp I studied extensively. Thanks to a report from Chief SS Statistician Richard Korherr and another Telegram from top SS Offical Herman Hofle we know 713,000 Jews had perished at Treblinka by the end of 1942. The two documents had identical statistics showing that there was data being collected and kept ultra-classified. This data was related to “Operation Reinhard” which was the operation of the extermination camps and the liquidation of many Ghettos in Eastern Europe.

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The problem is that Treblinka operated into 1943 too and no records exist from this year. This is where train station controller Franciszek Ząbecki comes into the picture. This guy ran a train station right by Treblinka and noticed that trains arrived full of Jews and departed empty. He figured out what was going on, joined the Polish Resistance, and started painstakingly recording every train arrival for posterity. He also smuggled out many “way bills” that show how many were on each train. Thanks to him we can estimate how many trains arrived in 1942 and 1943. We can then do some basic math to find out how many Jews on average were on each train and come to a total estimate of 800,000ish.

Why “ish”? Well because we cannot verify exactly how many people were on each train. In 1943 Treblinka slowed considerably and while we have some “way-bills” that confirm numbers it’s hard to take these at face value. So the best estimate is 850,000 give or take. We are 100% more than 712,000 were killed there but we cannot give an exact number. Franciszek Ząbecki for his part did his own calculations based on what he saw and recorded and estimated the total at over 1 million- and he could be right.

So obviously it’s all rather complex and it took lots of serious study and research to accurately identify the number of victims. However, the numbers we do have are 100% accurate and based on mountains of evidence.

  • We have confession from top SS officials, top Nazi officials, camp commandants, camp guards, Gestapo members, Einsatzgruppen (mobile killing squad) members, and even just low ranking SS guys
  • We have eye witness testimony from hundreds of thousands of people. Many were Sonderkommandos, which were Jews forced to work in the gas chambers. Others are Polish, Soviet, Greek, German, French, and Romani camp survivors. Some witnesses were even people who managed to escape the death camps during the revolts there.
  • Census data is beyond reproach considering we have multiple sources that are all relatively close in their estimates. There is variance but we are talking about a few percentage points. Both the Nazis and Jews showed there were 9 million Jews in Europe and after the war every census ever done (and there have been hundreds) all showed that the global Jewish population shrank around 6 million
  • We have some scattered documents that fill in the blanks. For instance the mobile killing squads neatly recorded every single massacre and sent these reports into Berlin for SS leaders to see. We have hundreds of these reports.
So the crux of the estimates is the census data. That gives us a ballpark. To back up the census data we have a few confessions but very little here because if there was a “master list” for all the Jews killed, it was destroyed. So with a ball park number in mind we turn to various witnesses, confessions, and a few crucial source documents to fill in the blanks.

Based on my studies here is where the poor souls who were murdered in the Holocaust died. These are just my estimates based on my studies and certainly this is not the end all be all of estimates- but it paints a picture.

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There would not have been a famine, if Hitler had not started WWII.
there would have been no famine if USSR and England didn't attack and occupy the countries which were neutral
and destroy all civil service in those lands and prevent the grain transported from one part of the country to other parts and stole those grains for themselves.
your logic is as absurd as it get , I suggest you follow your on advice and read history
 
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Come on with your shitty *** umma and retarded prophecies that never happen I wanna see you try and do something


Open arms my *** the local Arabs were split in tribes that kept murdering each other over trivial disputes, let alone Jews, Arabs started killing Jews way before WW2 started like the Hebron massacre.
Palestinians were thrown into refugee camps by the Jordanians and Egyptians and they were refugees because you idiots started a war against people far stronger and smarter than you.


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Tell me who started terror attacks again?


You're not answering the question, how did the Balfour declaration cause the Holocaust?
Never happened? 🤣🤣
Aren't the zio-n-ists gathering in one place, who would have knew this 1400 years ago? And yet there they are just as predicted.
Prophecies were they will be utterly deceitful, will create unrest in the world , and here we are witnessing same.
First let the last of zionists gather in the occupied lands. Kaboom.... A final blow.. 😎
 
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there would have been no famine if USSR and England didn't attack and occupy the countries which were neutral
and destroy all civil service in those lands and prevent the grain transported from one part of the country to other parts and stole those grains for themselves.
your logic is as absurd as it get , I suggest you follow your on advice and read history
Those attacks would not have happened if Hitler had not started the war.
 
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Never happened? 🤣🤣
Aren't the zio-n-ists gathering in one place, who would have knew this 1400 years ago? And yet there they are just as predicted.
Prophecies were they will be utterly deceitful, will create unrest in the world , and here we are witnessing same.
First let the last of zionists gather in the occupied lands. Kaboom.... A final blow.. 😎
There's more Jews outside of Israel than there are Jews in Israel and this will continue to be that way lol.

You're just delusional.
 
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Those attacks would not have happened if Hitler had not started the war.
well even if the war start in Europe , England and USSR had no right to attack neutral countries 4000km away from the battle fronts . that just show Stalin and Churchill were criminal no better than Hitler the only difference is Hitler lost and Stalin and Churchill won.
now I'm thinking about the war didn't Roosevelt ordered all the people with Japanese ancestry in western USA or the ones who married with people with Japanese ancestry rounded up in USA (or it was western USA) and sent to concentration camps ?

by the way in India it has nothing to do with WW2 , England already was there , they just wanted to mass murder some people and orchestrated that fake famine there .
or wasn't it USSR who killed polish intellectuals and His majesty King George VI helped hide it and if it was not for evil, bad Hitler we were not aware of that mass murder till today.

you can bring those excuses to feel good , but the fact remain no body in other places around the world , ever gonna forget Europeans crimes on both side . here in middle east and south Asia perhaps except Israel people put Churchill and Stalin just beside Hitler , some even consider them worse as Hitler didn't attacked and harmed people here , but those two war criminal did .
 
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well even if the war start in Europe , England and USSR had no right to attack neutral countries 4000km away from the battle fronts . that just show Stalin and Churchill were criminal no better than Hitler the only difference is Hitler lost and Stalin and Churchill won.
now I'm thinking about the war didn't Roosevelt ordered all the people with Japanese ancestry in western USA or the ones who married with people with Japanese ancestry rounded up in usa (or it was western USA) and sent to concentration camps ?
Neutral nations? Germans were fighting in Africa, conquering neutral nations at the hands of Rommel, British were stopping that conquest.

Churchill is definitely better than Hitler.


Stalin basically cooperated the Germans in 1939-1941, and is responsible for a similar amount of death in his leadership. He's not really any better than Hitler.
 
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There's more Jews outside of Israel than there are Jews in Israel and this will continue to be that way lol.

You're just delusional.
wonder how Evangelic Christiaan accept that , they are waiting for messiah and he will not come unless all jew go back to Israel and the temple rebuilt

Neutral nations? Germans were fighting in Africa, conquering neutral nations at the hands of Rommel, British were stopping that conquest.

Churchill is definitely better than Hitler.
Germans were attacking English's controlled nation in Africa and certainly they were not fighting in middle east
and maybe for you Hitler was worse as he wronged your ancestor , he didn't do such thing to my ancestors , but Churchill and Stalin did that . for us They were worse than Hitler.
Stalin basically cooperated the Germans in 1939-1941, and is responsible for a similar amount of death in his leadership. He's not really any better than Hitler.
England become aware of that polish massacre sooner or at least at the same time with Germany and they tried to hide it, Germany told the world about it. and Churchill did the same crimes in middle east and south Asia that you blame Germany and imperial Japan of but as they were the winner they don't talk about it , and USA ran its own concentration camps at the time of war that many people are not aware of them .
 
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There's more Jews outside of Israel than there are Jews in Israel and this will continue to be that way lol.

You're just delusional.
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There's more Jews outside of Israel than there are Jews in Israel and this will continue to be that way lol.

You're just delusional.
Oh Benny dear. It is just a matter of time.
And believe me, I do not have an issue with all Jews. And I do not celebrate the holocaust (even if it was true, though I highly doubt it, and the numbers mentioned are certainly extremely exaggerated). I have no reason or objective to celebrate the murder of innocent people regardless of religion or race.
I have issues with zios and their friends.
And ever wonder why orthodox Jews do not accept Isra-hell and its policies? They know something big is coming and not good for _______ .
And don't worry all the zios will gather eventually (leave aside other Jews). They will gather under the banner of Dajjal.
And about prophecies let me quote just a single one.... the fight between two great powers before the rise of Dajjal.... it is happening right now.
Russia is fighting against Allied Europe and USA and even if Russia loses the USA has to face another and bigger adversary ... China.
Itch to remain the only superpower will not let USA remain calm and as you know there are ''other powers'' who are controlling USA they will eventually make it fall into the battel of supremacy. The result, again you know better than me.
It may be a matter of a few years to max matter of a couple of decades, but it is inevitable.
Muslims right now are a very weak power, scattered and punished but they will benefit from the situation.
To cut short the last stand will be somewhere in occupied Palestine and even the trees and stones will play a role in it.
 
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Deaths of Jews is over focused by their media the whole world suffered during WW2 due to Hitler's views and the numbers are arbitrarily inflated.

Research Starters: Worldwide Deaths in World War II​

WWII HISTORY
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DEATHS BY COUNTRY​

CountryMilitary DeathsTotal Civilian and Military Deaths
Albania30,00030,200
Australia39,80040,500
Austria261,000384,700
Belgium12,10086,100
Brazil1,0002,000
Bulgaria22,00025,000
Canada45,40045,400
China3-4,000,00020,000,000
Czechoslovakia25,000345,000
Denmark2,1003,200
Dutch East Indies--3-4,000,000
Estonia--51,000
Ethiopia5,000100,000
Finland95,00097,000
France217,600567,600
French Indochina--1-1,500,000
Germany5,533,0006,600,000-8,800,000
Greece20,000-35,000300,000-800,000
Hungary300,000580,000
India87,0001,500,000-2,500,000
Italy301,400457,000
Japan2,120,0002,600,000-3,100,000
Korea--378,000-473,000
Latvia--227,000
Lithuania--353,000
Luxembourg--2,000
Malaya--100,000
Netherlands17,000301,000
New Zealand11,90011,900
Norway3,0009,500
Papua New Guinea--15,000
Philippines57,000500,000-1,000,000
Poland240,0005,600,000
Romania300,000833,000
Singapore--50,000
South Africa11,90011,900
Soviet Union8,800,000-10,700,00024,000,000
United Kingdom383,600450,700
United States416,800418,500
Yugoslavia446,0001,000,000

WORLDWIDE CASUALTIES*​

Battle Deaths15,000,000
Battle Wounded25,000,000
Civilian Deaths45,000,000

*Worldwide casualty estimates vary widely in several sources. The number of civilian deaths in China alone might well be more than 50,000,000.
Is it just me or the European casualties are very low
 
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wonder how Evangelic Christiaan accept that , they are waiting for messiah and he will not come unless all jew go back to Israel and the temple rebuilt
Why would I care about how they will accept that? Do you really believe every single Jew will go to Israel?
Germans were attacking English's controlled nation in Africa and certainly they were not fighting in middle east
and maybe for you Hitler was worse as he wronged your ancestor , he didn't do such thing to my ancestors , but Churchill and Stalin did that . for us They were worse than Hitler.
Churchill didn't do shit, nothing in the magnitude Hitler or Stalin did.

Stop putting him in the same sentence with Stalin.
England become aware of that polish massacre sooner or at least at the same time with Germany and they tried to hide it, Germany told the world about it. and Churchill did the same crimes in middle east and south Asia that you blame Germany and imperial Japan of but as they were the winner they don't talk about it , and USA ran its own concentration camps at the time of war that many people are not aware of them .
The horrors the Germans are known for and what makes them unique are the extermination camps, not concentration camps.

Did the same crimes my ***, maybe in the 1800s.

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Oh Benny dear. It is just a matter of time.
And believe me, I do not have an issue with all Jews. And I do not celebrate the holocaust (even if it was true, though I highly doubt it, and the numbers mentioned are certainly extremely exaggerated). I have no reason or objective to celebrate the murder of innocent people regardless of religion or race.
I have issues with zios and their friends.
And ever wonder why orthodox Jews do not accept Isra-hell and its policies? They know something big is coming and not good for _______ .
And don't worry all the zios will gather eventually (leave aside other Jews). They will gather under the banner of Dajjal.
And about prophecies let me quote just a single one.... the fight between two great powers before the rise of Dajjal.... it is happening right now.
Russia is fighting against Allied Europe and USA and even if Russia loses the USA has to face another and bigger adversary ... China.
Itch to remain the only superpower will not let USA remain calm and as you know there are ''other powers'' who are controlling USA they will eventually make it fall into the battel of supremacy. The result, again you know better than me.
It may be a matter of a few years to max matter of a couple of decades, but it is inevitable.
Muslims right now are a very weak power, scattered and punished but they will benefit from the situation.
To cut short the last stand will be somewhere in occupied Palestine and even the trees and stones will play a role in it.
What nonsense, 99 percent of the Orthodox Jews are for Israel and are now part of the government you Muslims are terrified of.

Keep believing your bullshit if that's what keeps you sane and lets you cope with reality, your nonsense about Dajjal and the ummah and whatever doesn't matter to us
 
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Why would I care about how they will accept that? Do you really believe every single Jew will go to Israel?

Churchill didn't do shit, nothing in the magnitude Hitler or Stalin did.

Stop putting him in the same sentence with Stalin.

The horrors the Germans are known for and what makes them unique are the extermination camps, not concentration camps.

Did the same crimes my ***, maybe in the 1800s.
If the Germans committed horrors what r u doing. Have you seen elderly facist zionist nazis now admitting on camera to genocide of palestinain villages. Including rape of little girls murder of all young men and summary executions for no reason at all?
Why horrors of German...they were exactly like you. In fact they are you. Here is one video of nazi jew admitting it. I can post 1000s


The land was not empty...zionism lies exposed by nazi zionist killers.


The most moral army killing kids

 
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Off course it does not matter to you.... That's why you people are cursed and will be punished.
And I was wondering why it was prophesied all J-e-us will be eradicated. By telling me about 99% you solved a my confusion and everything fits in the equation now.
And you know it's not bull shit... You know it is true. 😁
 
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