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When did the number of Jews murdered by the Nazis become well known at 6 million?

For those like @Hassan Al-Somal claim that they have no opinion whether the Holocaust occured, while at the same time show extremism hatred against Jews.

When did the number of Jews murdered by the Nazis become well known at 6 million?



Contrary to popular belief this has nothing to do with Nazi records. There is this “half-myth” that floats around that the Nazis were great record keepers and thanks to these records we can accurately identify the number of Jews who were murdered in the Holocaust. This is inaccurate.

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To be clear the Nazis were great record keepers when they wanted to be. When it came to government administration, military accounting, and economic output the Nazis kept fantastic records. Moreover, many Nazi Generals survived the war and wrote extensively about their experiences before and during the war.

When it comes to the Holocaust we do have source documents that prove a lot and these documents are beyond valuable. They are exceedingly rare though and there isn’t a master list or anything like that. There is a good reason for this though.

As WW2 got going Hitler personally ordered the extermination of disabled persons in the infamous “Aktion T4”. This included a signed order from Hitler to identify, round up, and exterminate all disabled persons. There was an immediate response from the German people and the international community. So Hitler publically backtraced and canceled the order while continuing the extermination in secret. Protesting families were told that their loved ones were being transported to hospitals when really they were killed in the very vans that were supposed to take them there (the Nazis used gas vans as well as gas chambers).

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Hitler was thus never going to sign an order to kill all the Jews nor would anyone else. The entire SS high command was very hush-hush about the whole thing. They used code words, destroyed documents, bug up mass graves to burn the bodies, and very secretly went about their evil work.

There was never a list of all the Jews the Nazis killed. There were not even lists for individual concentration camps. In rare instances, we have records that show how many death certificates were sent out by the Nazis or how many inmates in a camp had died but these records are incomplete. At Auschwitz for instance there is a book that records some 70,000 who had died in the camp but this list excludes the 900,000 who were killed in the gas chambers upon arrival and the other 120,000 that died in the death marches or from various acts of brutality.


So where do we get “6 million” from and when did we identify that number?

So to answer the question the first estimate of “6 million” came about in 1945. A top SS official named Dr. Wilhelm Hoettl stated under oath that Adolf Eichmann had reported 6 million Jews killed. This was the first estimate we really had and it was based just upon a single confession.

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Past that we have to turn to data to find the answer. Prior to WW2 various nations and groups collected census data as we do today. A few examples include

  1. The Jewish Almanac in 1938
  2. The German Minority Census of 1939
  3. The Polish census of 1939
  4. Census data from the USSR from 1933–1940
Thanks to this data we have some idea of how many Jewish were alive in 1939 both globally and in Europe. Roughly speaking there were about 9 to 9.5 million Jewish in Europe and 15.5 to 15.8 million globally.

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We then know that by the time the war ended there were only about 3.5 million Jews left in Europe and somewhere around 9 million left globally.


So we have a disparity here of about 6 million. The question is how many of these people died in the Holocaust and how many died from other causes? You have to factor in death rates, birth rates, and the effect WW2 had on those statistics.

This is why figures vary because it depends on how you factor in death rates, birth rates, and what census data you use. Some historians peg the number at 5.2 million others say it could be as high as 6.2 million. Sadly we won’t ever know.

When it comes to totaling up how many were killed at the various camps we are also having to infer a bit.

Take Treblinka, an extermination camp I studied extensively. Thanks to a report from Chief SS Statistician Richard Korherr and another Telegram from top SS Offical Herman Hofle we know 713,000 Jews had perished at Treblinka by the end of 1942. The two documents had identical statistics showing that there was data being collected and kept ultra-classified. This data was related to “Operation Reinhard” which was the operation of the extermination camps and the liquidation of many Ghettos in Eastern Europe.

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The problem is that Treblinka operated into 1943 too and no records exist from this year. This is where train station controller Franciszek Ząbecki comes into the picture. This guy ran a train station right by Treblinka and noticed that trains arrived full of Jews and departed empty. He figured out what was going on, joined the Polish Resistance, and started painstakingly recording every train arrival for posterity. He also smuggled out many “way bills” that show how many were on each train. Thanks to him we can estimate how many trains arrived in 1942 and 1943. We can then do some basic math to find out how many Jews on average were on each train and come to a total estimate of 800,000ish.

Why “ish”? Well because we cannot verify exactly how many people were on each train. In 1943 Treblinka slowed considerably and while we have some “way-bills” that confirm numbers it’s hard to take these at face value. So the best estimate is 850,000 give or take. We are 100% more than 712,000 were killed there but we cannot give an exact number. Franciszek Ząbecki for his part did his own calculations based on what he saw and recorded and estimated the total at over 1 million- and he could be right.

So obviously it’s all rather complex and it took lots of serious study and research to accurately identify the number of victims. However, the numbers we do have are 100% accurate and based on mountains of evidence.

  • We have confession from top SS officials, top Nazi officials, camp commandants, camp guards, Gestapo members, Einsatzgruppen (mobile killing squad) members, and even just low ranking SS guys
  • We have eye witness testimony from hundreds of thousands of people. Many were Sonderkommandos, which were Jews forced to work in the gas chambers. Others are Polish, Soviet, Greek, German, French, and Romani camp survivors. Some witnesses were even people who managed to escape the death camps during the revolts there.
  • Census data is beyond reproach considering we have multiple sources that are all relatively close in their estimates. There is variance but we are talking about a few percentage points. Both the Nazis and Jews showed there were 9 million Jews in Europe and after the war every census ever done (and there have been hundreds) all showed that the global Jewish population shrank around 6 million
  • We have some scattered documents that fill in the blanks. For instance the mobile killing squads neatly recorded every single massacre and sent these reports into Berlin for SS leaders to see. We have hundreds of these reports.
So the crux of the estimates is the census data. That gives us a ballpark. To back up the census data we have a few confessions but very little here because if there was a “master list” for all the Jews killed, it was destroyed. So with a ball park number in mind we turn to various witnesses, confessions, and a few crucial source documents to fill in the blanks.

Based on my studies here is where the poor souls who were murdered in the Holocaust died. These are just my estimates based on my studies and certainly this is not the end all be all of estimates- but it paints a picture.

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well even if the war start in Europe , England and USSR had no right to attack neutral countries 4000km away from the battle fronts . that just show Stalin and Churchill were criminal no better than Hitler the only difference is Hitler lost and Stalin and Churchill won.
now I'm thinking about the war didn't Roosevelt ordered all the people with Japanese ancestry in western USA or the ones who married with people with Japanese ancestry rounded up in USA (or it was western USA) and sent to concentration camps ?

by the way in India it has nothing to do with WW2 , England already was there , they just wanted to mass murder some people and orchestrated that fake famine there .
or wasn't it USSR who killed polish intellectuals and His majesty King George VI helped hide it and if it was not for evil, bad Hitler we were not aware of that mass murder till today.

you can bring those excuses to feel good , but the fact remain no body in other places around the world , ever gonna forget Europeans crimes on both side . here in middle east and south Asia perhaps except Israel people put Churchill and Stalin just beside Hitler , some even consider them worse as Hitler didn't attacked and harmed people here , but those two war criminal did .
Which just shows that you have no sense of proportion.

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If You do not understand the difference between this and the German plan to ethnically cleanse / murder everyone in the East to create Lebensraum, further discussion is meaningless.

How many Japanese died in US concentration camps and how many died in German death camps.
They are not comparable.
if You think so. Where were the US ovens and gas chambers?

Iran is supporting a war which is much worse than the British/Soviet invasion of Iran. According to Your line of reasoning, Iran and Hitler are as bad. They both killed/are killing/helping killing innocent people.
You personally has expressed joy on Ukrainan civilians getting killed,
Does that mean that you personally are as bad as Hitler?
According to Your logic, you are, since you do not think that numbers play a role.

one used gas , one used artificial famine . he probably killed more
Which is of course two lies, which you cannot substantiate with facts.
It is a fact that people died in famines.
It is a fact that there was a shortage of food.
It is a fact that Britain had so e control over the distribution of food.
A major contribution to death by famine in India was local hoarding of food.
That Britain had a plan with a goal of killing people through famine is a lie.

And the primary cause of the problem was the war, and that was started by Hitler and Stalin.

And no, Death Camps killed many more than famine in the East.
 
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The area was fought over between Egypt and the Hittites at Megiddo (Armageddon) under Ramesses II 1300B.C-1200B.C.

The Philistines were invaders that appeared 1200B.C about the same time as the ”Sea People” and there are many historians believe that they are one and the same. The Sea People came from the West, so an origin in Southern Europe seems likely.
If all the Arabs could now please evacuate the area and leave it to the Europeans, we would be much obliged - or did I misunderstand You?

The Story of Jews in Israel begins with Abraham, leaving with his family from todays Iraq, ending up in the land if Caanan. Many years later Joseph escapes to Egypt, invites his family which becomes slaves. They escape lead by Moses and entered Caanan before the arrival of the Sea People.
The bold part -- this is not true at all, absolutely wrong.

You should get your historical facts right.

Abraham (Peace be upon him - PBUH) had two sons, Ishaq and Ismael.
There was no evidence of Jews or Israelites at that time.

Jacob (Yaqoob) was the son of Ishaq (son of Abraham).
Jacob's title was Israel (the one closer to God).
The word Jew comes from the first son of Jacob, whose name was Yahuda (in Arabic, the name for Jews is Yahood -- and not Jews)

Jews entered the land Palestine in the times of King Saul (long long after Jacob, Joseph and Moses - let alone Abraham).

@Beny Karachun - can you confirm the above Beny?
 
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Who cares what the numbers were? It's not our problem.
Pakistanis need to snap out of this ummah mentality. It's not our problem.

We've got other problems such as correcting the numbers of those killed in the 1971 war.
 
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Philistines don't exist anymore.

You could recursively do the same for any civilization at any territory at any point of time as long as they traveled out of the territory humans originated at in Africa. According to that logic Native Americans aren't native to America, Chinese people aren't native to China and Arabs aren't native to Saudi Arabia because their ancestors immigrated or conquered those places some X thousands of years ago.

That's a stupid argument. Jews have the most history in Israel than any other group of people that exists.

And if you would disregard the "who was before" argument and just focus on the "you conquered this land from someone so you it isn't legitimately yours" argument, virtually every country is the result of conquest, you would be delegitimizing every Muslim state including "Palestine" and that would mean there is nothing wrong with conquering it which supports Israel's legitimacy.

By saying Israel had no right to conquer "Palestine" because Israel was not native would be a logical error because the Arabs aren't native as well so if we apply your reasoning on the Arabs it would be legitimate to conquer them.


It's native Jewish land, Arabs would have had a different reality if they chose not to start a war in an effort to finish us off.

Ashkenazi Jews don't believe in God lol? who told you that? Many Ashkenazi Jews are more religious than Muslims are.

Keep lying with child abductions and concentration camps lol. Anyways, cope hard you ****ing loser lol

The whole problem with you, and your leaders in Israel is, you want to start the history only from where it suits you. This is the problem.

Look at the following:

1. No book of Abrahamic faith, including Torah, claims that Israelites were native dwellers of Jeruselum / Palestine.
2. Every book, historical evidence, tells that Israelites were ordered to fight with the dwellers (natives) of this land. Funny enough the Israelites refused when Moses was leading them.
3. After Moses, Israelites fought under Joshua (Yusha in Arabic) and then under King Saul.
4. Every evidence exists that Goliath was a Philistinian, his army defeated. This is where the story for Jews starts in this part of the land.
5. Even you, or any Jew, does not claim that Israelites were the native people of this land. This is historically incorrect. Jacob was living in Kannon, where the Joseph was put in a deep well and then taken to Egypt. With the help of Joseph, the family of Jacob (along with all sons) moved to Egypt and they settled there. Until the nationalistic revolution came, with emergence of Pharos.

What the hell you guys are talking about?
 
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Deuteronomy 20:16–18 — The New International Version (NIV)




16 However, in the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. 17 Completely destroy them—the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites—as the Lord your God has commanded you. 18 Otherwise, they will teach you to follow all the detestable things they do in worshiping their gods, and you will sin against the Lord your God.



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An Indian politician has said Winston Churchill is no better than Adolf Hitler and the two leaders have equivalent amounts of “blood” on their hands.

Dr Shashi Tharoor, whose new book Inglorious Empire chronicles the atrocities of the British Empire, said the former British Prime Minister should be remembered alongside the most prominent dictators of the twentieth century.

Dr Tharoor, a former Under-Secretary General of the UN, said the blame for the Bengal Famine rested with Churchill. In 1943, up to four million Bengalis starved to death when Churchill diverted food to British soldiers and countries such as Greece while a deadly famine swept through Bengal.

“This [Churchill] is the man who the British insist on hailing as some apostle of freedom and democracy," the author told UK Asian at a launch for his book. "When to my mind he is really one of the more evil rulers of the 20th century only fit to stand in company of the likes of Hitler, Mao and Stalin".

Churchill has as much blood on his hands as Hitler does,” the Indian MP said. “Particularly the decisions that he personally signed off during the Bengal Famine when 4.3 million people died because of the decisions he took or endorsed."

"Not only did the British pursue its own policy of not helping the victims of this famine which was created by their policies. Churchill persisted in exporting grain to Europe, not to feed actual ‘Sturdy Tommies’, to use his phrase, but add to the buffer stocks that were being piled up in the event of a future invasion of Greece and Yugoslavia”.

Ships laden with wheat were coming in from Australia docking in Calcutta and were instructed by Churchill not to disembark their cargo but sail on to Europe,” he added. “And when conscience-stricken British officials wrote to the Prime Minister in London pointing out that his policies were causing needless loss of life all he could do was write peevishly in the margin of the report, ‘Why hasn’t Gandhi died yet?'"

Talking about the Bengal famine in 1943, the Prime Minister who led Britain to victory in World War Two, said: “I hate Indians. They are a beastly people with a beastly religion. The famine was their own fault for breeding like rabbits.”

Dr Tharoor, a former Indian government minister, rose to further prominence after his impassioned speech at the Oxford Union in July of 2015 went viral. In the address, he discussed the economic toll British rule took on India.

He said: "India's share of the world economy when Britain arrived on it shores was 23 per cent. By the time the British left it was down to below four per cent. Why? Simply because India had been governed for the benefit of Britain. Britain's rise for 200 years was financed by its depredations in India."

"In fact, Britain's industrial revolution was actually premised upon the de-industrialisation of India."

Dr Tharoor recently gained headlines for suggesting Britons suffer "historical amnesia” over the atrocities and plunder committed by the empire.

 
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An Indian politician has said Winston Churchill is no better than Adolf Hitler and the two leaders have equivalent amounts of “blood” on their hands.

Dr Shashi Tharoor, whose new book Inglorious Empire chronicles the atrocities of the British Empire, said the former British Prime Minister should be remembered alongside the most prominent dictators of the twentieth century.

Dr Tharoor, a former Under-Secretary General of the UN, said the blame for the Bengal Famine rested with Churchill. In 1943, up to four million Bengalis starved to death when Churchill diverted food to British soldiers and countries such as Greece while a deadly famine swept through Bengal.

“This [Churchill] is the man who the British insist on hailing as some apostle of freedom and democracy," the author told UK Asian at a launch for his book. "When to my mind he is really one of the more evil rulers of the 20th century only fit to stand in company of the likes of Hitler, Mao and Stalin".

Churchill has as much blood on his hands as Hitler does,” the Indian MP said. “Particularly the decisions that he personally signed off during the Bengal Famine when 4.3 million people died because of the decisions he took or endorsed."

"Not only did the British pursue its own policy of not helping the victims of this famine which was created by their policies. Churchill persisted in exporting grain to Europe, not to feed actual ‘Sturdy Tommies’, to use his phrase, but add to the buffer stocks that were being piled up in the event of a future invasion of Greece and Yugoslavia”.

Ships laden with wheat were coming in from Australia docking in Calcutta and were instructed by Churchill not to disembark their cargo but sail on to Europe,” he added. “And when conscience-stricken British officials wrote to the Prime Minister in London pointing out that his policies were causing needless loss of life all he could do was write peevishly in the margin of the report, ‘Why hasn’t Gandhi died yet?'"

Talking about the Bengal famine in 1943, the Prime Minister who led Britain to victory in World War Two, said: “I hate Indians. They are a beastly people with a beastly religion. The famine was their own fault for breeding like rabbits.”

Dr Tharoor, a former Indian government minister, rose to further prominence after his impassioned speech at the Oxford Union in July of 2015 went viral. In the address, he discussed the economic toll British rule took on India.

He said: "India's share of the world economy when Britain arrived on it shores was 23 per cent. By the time the British left it was down to below four per cent. Why? Simply because India had been governed for the benefit of Britain. Britain's rise for 200 years was financed by its depredations in India."

"In fact, Britain's industrial revolution was actually premised upon the de-industrialisation of India."

Dr Tharoor recently gained headlines for suggesting Britons suffer "historical amnesia” over the atrocities and plunder committed by the empire.

He is 100% correct
 
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Europeans killed 65 million native Americans by giving them dirty diseases from Europe because whites would only wash 1 time per year

65 million ??

Why are Europeans responsible for the poor immune systems of the native Americans ?

He said: "India's share of the world economy when Britain arrived on it shores was 23 per cent. By the time the British left it was down to below four per cent. Why? Simply because India had been governed for the benefit of Britain. Britain's rise for 200 years was financed by its depredations in India."

Britain arrived on the shores of India in 1600. The population of USA/Canada/Australia was 4 million in 1600.

In 1945 USA was prominent industrial power
 
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65 million ??

Why are Europeans responsible for the poor immune systems of the native Americans ?



Britain arrived on the shores of India in 1600. The population of USA/Canada/Australia was 4 million in 1600.

In 1945 USA was prominent industrial power
Do u understand bio warfare? They did it
 
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For those like @Hassan Al-Somal claim that they have no opinion whether the Holocaust occured, while at the same time show extremism hatred against Jews.

When did the number of Jews murdered by the Nazis become well known at 6 million?



Contrary to popular belief this has nothing to do with Nazi records. There is this “half-myth” that floats around that the Nazis were great record keepers and thanks to these records we can accurately identify the number of Jews who were murdered in the Holocaust. This is inaccurate.

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To be clear the Nazis were great record keepers when they wanted to be. When it came to government administration, military accounting, and economic output the Nazis kept fantastic records. Moreover, many Nazi Generals survived the war and wrote extensively about their experiences before and during the war.

When it comes to the Holocaust we do have source documents that prove a lot and these documents are beyond valuable. They are exceedingly rare though and there isn’t a master list or anything like that. There is a good reason for this though.

As WW2 got going Hitler personally ordered the extermination of disabled persons in the infamous “Aktion T4”. This included a signed order from Hitler to identify, round up, and exterminate all disabled persons. There was an immediate response from the German people and the international community. So Hitler publically backtraced and canceled the order while continuing the extermination in secret. Protesting families were told that their loved ones were being transported to hospitals when really they were killed in the very vans that were supposed to take them there (the Nazis used gas vans as well as gas chambers).

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Hitler was thus never going to sign an order to kill all the Jews nor would anyone else. The entire SS high command was very hush-hush about the whole thing. They used code words, destroyed documents, bug up mass graves to burn the bodies, and very secretly went about their evil work.

There was never a list of all the Jews the Nazis killed. There were not even lists for individual concentration camps. In rare instances, we have records that show how many death certificates were sent out by the Nazis or how many inmates in a camp had died but these records are incomplete. At Auschwitz for instance there is a book that records some 70,000 who had died in the camp but this list excludes the 900,000 who were killed in the gas chambers upon arrival and the other 120,000 that died in the death marches or from various acts of brutality.


So where do we get “6 million” from and when did we identify that number?

So to answer the question the first estimate of “6 million” came about in 1945. A top SS official named Dr. Wilhelm Hoettl stated under oath that Adolf Eichmann had reported 6 million Jews killed. This was the first estimate we really had and it was based just upon a single confession.

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Past that we have to turn to data to find the answer. Prior to WW2 various nations and groups collected census data as we do today. A few examples include

  1. The Jewish Almanac in 1938
  2. The German Minority Census of 1939
  3. The Polish census of 1939
  4. Census data from the USSR from 1933–1940
Thanks to this data we have some idea of how many Jewish were alive in 1939 both globally and in Europe. Roughly speaking there were about 9 to 9.5 million Jewish in Europe and 15.5 to 15.8 million globally.

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We then know that by the time the war ended there were only about 3.5 million Jews left in Europe and somewhere around 9 million left globally.


So we have a disparity here of about 6 million. The question is how many of these people died in the Holocaust and how many died from other causes? You have to factor in death rates, birth rates, and the effect WW2 had on those statistics.

This is why figures vary because it depends on how you factor in death rates, birth rates, and what census data you use. Some historians peg the number at 5.2 million others say it could be as high as 6.2 million. Sadly we won’t ever know.

When it comes to totaling up how many were killed at the various camps we are also having to infer a bit.

Take Treblinka, an extermination camp I studied extensively. Thanks to a report from Chief SS Statistician Richard Korherr and another Telegram from top SS Offical Herman Hofle we know 713,000 Jews had perished at Treblinka by the end of 1942. The two documents had identical statistics showing that there was data being collected and kept ultra-classified. This data was related to “Operation Reinhard” which was the operation of the extermination camps and the liquidation of many Ghettos in Eastern Europe.

main-qimg-b02a366b420ec4cb0841536d197126fa-lq



The problem is that Treblinka operated into 1943 too and no records exist from this year. This is where train station controller Franciszek Ząbecki comes into the picture. This guy ran a train station right by Treblinka and noticed that trains arrived full of Jews and departed empty. He figured out what was going on, joined the Polish Resistance, and started painstakingly recording every train arrival for posterity. He also smuggled out many “way bills” that show how many were on each train. Thanks to him we can estimate how many trains arrived in 1942 and 1943. We can then do some basic math to find out how many Jews on average were on each train and come to a total estimate of 800,000ish.

Why “ish”? Well because we cannot verify exactly how many people were on each train. In 1943 Treblinka slowed considerably and while we have some “way-bills” that confirm numbers it’s hard to take these at face value. So the best estimate is 850,000 give or take. We are 100% more than 712,000 were killed there but we cannot give an exact number. Franciszek Ząbecki for his part did his own calculations based on what he saw and recorded and estimated the total at over 1 million- and he could be right.

So obviously it’s all rather complex and it took lots of serious study and research to accurately identify the number of victims. However, the numbers we do have are 100% accurate and based on mountains of evidence.

  • We have confession from top SS officials, top Nazi officials, camp commandants, camp guards, Gestapo members, Einsatzgruppen (mobile killing squad) members, and even just low ranking SS guys
  • We have eye witness testimony from hundreds of thousands of people. Many were Sonderkommandos, which were Jews forced to work in the gas chambers. Others are Polish, Soviet, Greek, German, French, and Romani camp survivors. Some witnesses were even people who managed to escape the death camps during the revolts there.
  • Census data is beyond reproach considering we have multiple sources that are all relatively close in their estimates. There is variance but we are talking about a few percentage points. Both the Nazis and Jews showed there were 9 million Jews in Europe and after the war every census ever done (and there have been hundreds) all showed that the global Jewish population shrank around 6 million
  • We have some scattered documents that fill in the blanks. For instance the mobile killing squads neatly recorded every single massacre and sent these reports into Berlin for SS leaders to see. We have hundreds of these reports.
So the crux of the estimates is the census data. That gives us a ballpark. To back up the census data we have a few confessions but very little here because if there was a “master list” for all the Jews killed, it was destroyed. So with a ball park number in mind we turn to various witnesses, confessions, and a few crucial source documents to fill in the blanks.

Based on my studies here is where the poor souls who were murdered in the Holocaust died. These are just my estimates based on my studies and certainly this is not the end all be all of estimates- but it paints a picture.

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Yes, the Nazis murdered 6 million Jews and were Europeans.

Then Europeans think they are so civilized and all that bullshit.

And Now Russia is bombing the hell out of Ukraine.
 
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The bold part -- this is not true at all, absolutely wrong.

You should get your historical facts right.

Abraham (Peace be upon him - PBUH) had two sons, Ishaq and Ismael.
There was no evidence of Jews or Israelites at that time.

Jacob (Yaqoob) was the son of Ishaq (son of Abraham).
Jacob's title was Israel (the one closer to God).
The word Jew comes from the first son of Jacob, whose name was Yahuda (in Arabic, the name for Jews is Yahood -- and not Jews)

Jews entered the land Palestine in the times of King Saul (long long after Jacob, Joseph and Moses - let alone Abraham).

@Beny Karachun - can you confirm the above Beny?
Why Benny will confirm??? He is another zio on this forum spreading false history and misinformation.
 
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i think most of the european jews made it to USA already when second ww started. Most of the killed in the concentration camps were sinty and roma. i think only a small percentage were real jews like 30000 turkish jews who were eliminated in hitlers gas chambers and burned in hitlers ovens.
 
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