When coterminous Pakistan fought Alexander the Great and almost brought him down to his knees.

[AbuzarIlyas]

multani kisi ko bhi mar sakty hain

Here is one infront of you

 

[waz]

Nice , do you visit those sites or temples ?

Good to see that you are a teacher. Teachers are seen as higher beings in brahmanic culture. Education is must for any brahmin, my great grandpa was 10th pass, my grandpa is 12th pass, my dad is a Company secretary and i am completing my MBA this year and going to Canada for PhD.

Education is the key that preserves amd boosts our elitists world famous Culture.


Sunjay dutt

Yes I have visited many times, it's Pakistan's and the region's great heritage.
Indeed I am a teacher and it's interesting to see the prominence it has in Brahmin culture.

 

[Mirza Jatt]

can you post pictures of some "Strong, Muscular, Powerful, destructive, Angry, the supreme god, cannabis "
i have no Idea how they look

That's Lord Shiva, the coolest God I have ever known. He is the most badass.. he's on weeds all the time, stays in snow of mount Kailash, wild animals are his buddies , worshipped by demons... and the best of all he's a good hearted guy whom you cant mess with or try to mess with his creations (the world). have a look at 'THE DESTROYER'

 

[Hamza913]

Or you can share a link. The Maurya empire was founded by Chandragupta Maurya. Stories say he was not of any Royal origins. His origins was unknown apart from the fact that Chanakya picked him from Nanda empire.

Nice you have read something at least now. And what may or may not have contributed is not the matter, the point is Guptas were responsible for the end of Hunas invasion. i.e a large empire was defeated by a relatively small Kingdom like the Guptas.

Do you even talk consistently at least sometimes? How are Toramana now connected to Gujjars and Rajputs when you claimed they were from King Porus lol. Recent google knowledge? These claims are not validated but intuitions of some writers (i.e historians).
Also, the Huns were tribesman rather than Kingdoms (Hence I referred to them as savages). They attacked with the strength of numbers and not by strategy.


You must write a book based on your findings.


India usually doesn't name missiles after Kings.

But there are Choppers named as Hind - Akbar, then again Akbar means great.

Unfortunately I cannot find it online anywhere but Wikipedia (I read it in a book, not online). You can check the references for yourself, check the section of other theories:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancestry_of_Chandragupta_Maurya

The Guptas were not at all tiny:

http://www.indmaps.com/thematic-map/empire-of-gupta-map.html

You do realise people have ancestry from multiple sources right? Also, I never said all Gujjars, Jats and Rajputs come from the Huns, I said certain clans among us come from the Huns as evident by their names. The Huns didn't magically disappear, they have to have descendents somewhere. I also said Porus would be related only to those Gujjars, Jats and Rajputs around Jhelum because that was where he was from. Use your head.

 

[Mirza Jatt]

Unfortunately I cannot find it online anywhere but Wikipedia (I read it in a book, not online). You can check the references for yourself, check the section of other theories:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancestry_of_Chandragupta_Maurya

The Guptas were not at all tiny:

http://www.indmaps.com/thematic-map/empire-of-gupta-map.html

You do realise people have ancestry from multiple sources right? Also, I never said a Gujjars, Jats and Rajputs come from the Huns, I said certain clans among us come from the Huns as evident by their names. The Huns didn't magically disappear, they have to have descendents somewhere. I also said Porus would be related only to those Gujjars, Jats and Rajputs around Jhelum because that was where he was from. Use your head.

Mauryan Empire was founded in the plains of Ganges. That's beyond any doubts or dispute. There might be some who may claim it to be from modern day UP but almost every historian agrees it to be from Pataliputra (Modern day Bihar).

 

[Chhatrapati]

^^^ Is the answer to that.

Unfortunately I cannot find it online anywhere but Wikipedia (I read it in a book, not online). You can check the references for yourself, check the section of other theories:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancestry_of_Chandragupta_Maurya

The Guptas were not at all tiny:

A selective map. This shows how big they were compared to the Guptas towards the time they were driven out.

You do realise people have ancestry from multiple sources right? Also, I never said a Gujjars, Jats and Rajputs come from the Huns, I said certain clans among us come from the Huns as evident by their names. The Huns didn't magically disappear, they have to have descendents somewhere. I also said Porus would be related only to those Gujjars, Jats and Rajputs around Jhelum because that was where he was from. Use your head.

Do you claim the ancestry of Romans too? There are blue-eyed Indians. Again, I said, nothing can be decisively said about Porus. As Django said, like rajputs which are a mix of different people which may or may not include Hunas. And if a few thousand people are related to Hunas or even Porus doesn't mean they are. And people of that times has nothing to do with people from Pakistan (considering you solely claim IVC as your own). Use your head more because you seem to have selective amnesia.

 

[Hamza913]

^^^ Is the answer to that.



A selective map. This shows how big they were compared to the Guptas towards the time they were driven out.
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Do you claim the ancestry of Romans too? There are blue-eyed Indians. Again, I said, nothing can be decisively said about Porus. As Django said, like rajputs which are a mix of different people which may or may not include Hunas. And if a few thousand people are related to Hunas or even Porus doesn't mean they are. And people of that times has nothing to do with people from Pakistan (considering you solely claim IVC as your own). Use your head more because you seem to have selective amnesia.

Even by that map, the Guptas are still pretty big. Also, the Huns were tackling the Persians along with the Guptas, and for a long time were kicking both their a55es. That's far more impressive than the Guptas taking on a weakened Hun state and only beating them after several attempts.

You mean the Greeks? A lot of Pakistanis and even some Hindustanis come from them too (Greek DNA has been found among Pashtuns and Punjabis).

They have everything to do with Pakistan, they are part of our history and assimilated into our culture.

Anyway, I don't see why you care. This is Pakistani history and as a result none of your business.

Mauryan Empire was founded in the plains of Ganges. That's beyond any doubts or dispute. There might be some who may claim it to be from modern day UP but almost every historian agrees it to be from Pataliputra (Modern day Bihar).

Right, but they are descended from migrants who were originally from KPK.

 

[Chhatrapati]

A lot of Pakistanis and even some Hindustanis come from them too (Greek DNA has been found among Pashtuns and Punjabis).

That doesn't mean you can claim their history. (Greek/Romans)

They have everything to do with Pakistan, they are part of our history and assimilated into our culture.

Anyway, I don't see why you care. This is Pakistani history and as a result none of your business.

Based on what it is Pakistans history? Funny you claim Mughal history, Durrani, Irani, even Turkik and Mongols. Sometimes your claim is based on regions, at times on gene. Also, how can you claim it as your history when today's Punjab is a region that's shared between both India and Pakistan.

Right, but they are descended from migrants who were originally from KPK.

No, they are not. There are no claims of any such yet.

 

[Mirza Jatt]

Right, but they are descended from migrants who were originally from KPK.

No sir. That's utter BS. Sadly im my view, You are not eligible for this debate since this is most basic of history even a 4th grader should know. Sadly in Pakistan you have never been taught these hence cant blame you. Porus's origin itself is debatable.. that's the max you can go. Every ruler who conquered North west India ..from Nandas to Chandragupta were absolutely from the Gangetic plains. (Not counting the Islamic invaders here who were foreigners who came years later)

 

[Hamza913]

No sir. That's utter BS. Sadly im my view, You are not eligible for this debate since this is most basic of history even a 4th grader should know. Sadly in Pakistan you have never been taught these hence cant blame you. Porus's origin itself is debatable.. that's the max you can go. Every ruler who conquered North west India ..from Nandas to Chandragupta were absolutely from the Gangetic plains. (Not counting the Islamic invaders here who were foreigners who came years later)

Incorrect, you can read the evidence provided for my claim in my previous posts.

Porus came from Jhelum, stop stealing our history.

That doesn't mean you can claim their history. (Greek/Romans)

Based on what it is Pakistans history? Funny you claim Mughal history, Durrani, Irani, even Turkik and Mongols. Sometimes your claim is based on regions, at times on gene. Also, how can you claim it as your history when today's Punjab is a region that's shared between both India and Pakistan.


No, they are not. There are no claims of any such yet.

It means we can claim history of the indo-Greeks who settled in the region, but not anything beyond that.

We claim the history of those who came and assimilated into our culture, because many of us are descended from them.

Hindustani Punjabis can claim Punjabi history if they wish, but not anybody else from Hindustan.

I already gave you the evidence, not my fault if you ignore it.

 

[Chhatrapati]

It means we can claim history of the indo-Greeks who settled in the region, but not anything beyond that.

our culture,

And that is Islamic or Pagan?

Hindustani Punjabis can claim Punjabi history if they wish, but not anybody else from Hindustan.

Well, by your logic, you can't claim IVC. Because it also extends from Rajasthan to UP, Punjab (Indian side) Jammu&Kashmir, Haryana. I'm not claiming their history either. But this place is a mix of multi ethnic people. We can't figure who inherited what. As far as I see, Hindus inherited the old relics of Vedic civilizations. We inherited the ME culture. That's my identity. And I don't claim to be from any ethnicity. My identity is that I'm Muslim.

I already gave you the evidence, not my fault if you ignore it.

From your own source. I couldn't find anything that directs me to Pakistan. Mauryas as Mors ,are described only in some Puranas it is a Hindu mythology. I wouldn't base my proof on mythologies.
As the initial quotes in your source said.
There are several theories about his origin. Little is known about Chandragupta Maurya's origins.

Where is KPK ?

 

[Hamza913]

And that is Islamic or Pagan?

Well, by your logic, you can't claim IVC. Because it also extends from Rajasthan to UP, Punjab (Indian side) Jammu&Kashmir, Haryana. I'm not claiming their history either. But this place is a mix of multi ethnic people. We can't figure who inherited what. As far as I see, Hindus inherited the old relics of Vedic civilizations. We inherited the ME culture. That's my identity. And I don't claim to be from any ethnicity. My identity is that I'm Muslim.


From your own source. I couldn't find anything that directs me to Pakistan. Mauryas as Mors ,are described only in some Puranas it is a Hindu mythology. I wouldn't base my proof on mythologies.
As the initial quotes in your source said.
There are several theories about his origin. Little is known about Chandragupta Maurya's origins.

Where is KPK ?

Islamic, but that doesn't change our pre-Islamic past.

Yes I can, because IVC started in southern Pakistan.

We can easily figure out who inherited what based on common knowledge, which you seem to be lacking.

Good to see we agree on one thing (being Muslim first), but I'm sceptical of your version of Islam given your previous posts made about the religion, as well as the fact that you don't like us taking the Muslim Ghurids or Durranis as our heroes (even though Pashtuns are the 2nd largest ethnic group in Pakistan and they were pious Muslims).

Read my sources properly, then get back to me.

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

A selective map. This shows how big they were compared to the Guptas towards the time they were driven out.

Territorially yes, population-wise; hell no. The latter matters more.

Well, by your logic, you can't claim IVC. Because it also extends from Rajasthan to UP, Punjab (Indian side) Jammu&Kashmir, Haryana. I'm not claiming their history either. But this place is a mix of multi ethnic people. We can't figure who inherited what. As far as I see, Hindus inherited the old relics of Vedic civilizations. We inherited the ME culture. That's my identity. And I don't claim to be from any ethnicity. My identity is that I'm Muslim.

Ethnic groups within the Indus region can lay some claim to the IVC.

 

[Chhatrapati]

Islamic, but that doesn't change our pre-Islamic past.

It doesn't. Just that, a lot of things are grey in pre-Islamic past.

We can easily figure out who inherited what based on common knowledge, which you seem to be lacking.

Good to see we agree on one thing (being Muslim first), but I'm sceptical of your version of Islam given your previous posts made about the religion, as well as the fact that you don't like us taking the Muslim Ghurids or Durranis as our heroes (even though Pashtuns are the 2nd largest ethnic group in Pakistan and they were pious Muslims).

Read my sources properly, then get back to me.

My point still stands.

And only that matters. The identity. Also, there are no versions of Islam that's a stupid thing to say. I don't care if you take any of the histories. I just showed the self-contradictions in your own arguments which are quite natural for people suffering from identity crisis. Outside PDF I don't see any attempts made, rather I see and hear your own people defacing and destroying centuries-old temples and statues. (I can figure why). Also, yes Pashtuns can claim it as much as Indo-Greeks can claim the history of their ancestors from Greeks or Romans. Or Punjabis who can claim Porus. And the fact that, Afghanis are the true claimants of Abdali. Same as greeks to Alexander. And I see them as Afghani heroes (Abdali, Ghazni). Because that's the place they were born and reigned. And yes, they are Great Muslim emperors. Also, I didn't question the beliefs of Pashtuns or any tribes in Pakistan for that matter.

Give at least one source which claims the Mauryas has something to do with modern-day Pakistan? Apart from of course the Chanakya. I know you claim it because it is historically the largest empire in the subcontinent.

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

Every ruler who conquered North west India ..from Nandas to Chandragupta were absolutely from the Gangetic plains.

In the 10,000 year-long history of the Indus region; COMBINED Gangetic "rule" over some parts of the Indus region only lasted around 200 years and that too in a very fragile and loose state. Mauryans were the only ones that successfully "conquered" whole of the Indus but they did not last long and were eventually driven out.

Sadly in Pakistan you have never been taught these hence cant blame you.

Oh please, don't get me started on what Indians are taught.

No, they became Hindus.

Huns, like other migrators/invaders, most likely adopted and contributed to the local folk religions of the ancient Indus region.