When coterminous Pakistan fought Alexander the Great and almost brought him down to his knees.

[Indus Pakistan]

NOW OR NEVER
Are we to live or perish for ever?

3, Humberstone Road,
Cambridge, England.
28th January, 1933

Dear Sir or Madam,

I am enclosing herewith an appeal on behalf of the thirty million Muslims of PAKISTAN, who live in the five Northern Units of India--Punjab, North-West Frontier (Afghan) Province, Kashmir, Sind, and Baluchistan. It embodies their demand for the recognition of their national status, as distinct from the other inhabitants of India, by the grant to Pakistan of a separate Federal Constitution on religious, social and historical grounds.


I shall be pleased if you will kindly acquaint me with your valuable opinion on the proposed solution of the great Hindu-Muslim problem. I trust that, vitally interested as you are in a just and permanent solution of that complex problem, the objects outlined in the appeal wiIl meet with your fullest approval and active support.

Yours truly,
Rahmat Ali (Choudhary). (Founder, Pakiistan National Movement)
First issued 1933; reissued 1934

http://www.columbia.edu/itc/mealac/pritchett/00islamlinks/txt_rahmatali_1933.html

 

[Hamza913]

Yeah, but there are not many foreign genes in me. Nor we weren't the punching bag of the subcontinent. Arabs, Turks, Bactrians, Romans, Mongols. Also, starts a thread for a guy who lost against the Romans and went on to be a subjugate of the Romans after losing the battle, only to be murdered by another Roman.
All these loses could've been avoided if conterminous Pakistan could do something as basic as win the wars fought in its history (Not just Romans).

If we have foreign genes in us, that makes US the conquerors as well dumbass.

The Kushans and Huns were Bactrians and they molested Hindustan multiple times, but in all fairness some Rajput clans and Gujjars are descended from them.

The Khilijis were Turks who assimilated into Pashtun culture, the Mughals were also Turks who assimilated into Indo-Aryan culture, the Ghaznavids were Turks who assimilated into Persian culture, etc. Turks have attacked Hindustan, and unless you are Muslim, you are unlikely to have anything to do with them.

Are you kidding me? You want to talk about war? How many times have Pashtuns (2nd largest Pakistani ethnic group) come and taken a massive dump on your country? What about the Vedic people, they came from the Punjab/Sindh and forcefully converted you lot to Hinduism whilst imposing a rigid caste system. How about Kanishka? He was from Peshawar and conquered large portions of Hindustan. Akbar was also from Sindh, Shah Jahan was from Lahore, Hyder Ali and Tipu Sultan were Punjabi, etc. Ever heard of Sikander Shah Mir or Mir Chakar Rind? They were Kashmiri and Baluchi Sultans respectively who waged war against Hindustan.

You have no legs to stand on when it comes to critiquing our fighting ability.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

conterminous Pakistan could do something as basic as win the wars

We did. It is you pussies hiding in the jungles of Ganga that were useless. It is we and when I say "we" I mean all the peoples of South Asia who form the westen flank or region formed by Indus River as the backbone [shown as green diamond in map below]. It is we who faced every mothafer invaders from Alexander Greeks, Scythians, Huns, Kushans etc etc. Despite our region being in low population as either it is desert, semi-desert or mountains it was us who faced every invader. You wussies in Ganga [oval white in map below] only faced the British who came from the east along the Ganga. Even then Khyber Paktunkwa gave the British most grief.

For instance when Alexander came where was the entirety of Ganga? No where to be seen. Did Ganga mobilize and send mass number of men to help us? like fcuk you. You just shagged and made more swamp babies ...

Below is a simplified map of what history threw at us. It was we who faced all the invaders and took the toll. You pussies were hiding behind are back in the dense Ganga jungles. If you fire a high velocity bullet at ten guys standing behind each other the guys at fron are going to take the kinetic impact. the wussies at back will get away with recieving the 'full punch" which will have been spenty by the time it goes trhrough the guys in front by tearing them apart.

 

[Mirza Jatt]

These fantasies can only be found on PDF. But glad to see Pakistanis finally accepting that they are sons of Pauravas, Nandas and Guptas.

Pados ke Gupta uncle khush toh bahut honge aaj

 

[Chhatrapati]

We did. It is you pussies hiding in the jungles of Ganga that were useless. It is we and when I say "we" I mean all the peoples of South Asia who form the westen flank or region formed by Indus River as the backbone. It is we who faced every mfer invader from Alexander Greeks, Scythians, Huns, Kushans etc etc. Despite our region being in low population as either it is desert. semi-desert or mountains it was us who faced every invader. You wussies only faced the British who came from the east along the Ganga. Even then Khyber Paktunkwa gave the British most grief.

Again, we didn't have to send any help as you were not friendly Kingdoms. Neither you were any threat as you were weak and irrelevant due to lack of enough fertile lands and hence wealth. True that, Semi desert or desert saved you from most of the invasions from many of Indian Kingdoms. But that didn't stop foreign invasion which was eyeing at wealthy Indian Kingdoms.

For instance when Alexander came where was the entirety of Ganga? No where to be seen. Did Ganga mobilize and send mass number of men to help us? like fcuk you. You just shagged and made more swamp babies ...

Alexander didn't pursue India because they have to face the great Nanda empire which was a magnified version of the Porus. The Romans did try to invade after winning weak Punjab. But had to face Chandragupta Maurya and lost, formed an alliance through marriage with Mauryans. I guess King Nanda let the Porus take the beating while giving enough time to prepare for a war.

The great region which fought against Alexander later fell into the hands of mere Savages called Hunas. And the Gangas (as you call) defeated them decisively. So much for mighty and powerful descendants of Porus.

 

[Rusty]

We did. It is you pussies hiding in the jungles of Ganga that were useless. It is we and when I say "we" I mean all the peoples of South Asia who form the westen flank or region formed by Indus River as the backbone [shown as green diamond in map below]. It is we who faced every mothafer invaders from Alexander Greeks, Scythians, Huns, Kushans etc etc. Despite our region being in low population as either it is desert, semi-desert or mountains it was us who faced every invader. You wussies in Ganga [oval white in map below] only faced the British who came from the east along the Ganga. Even then Khyber Paktunkwa gave the British most grief.

For instance when Alexander came where was the entirety of Ganga? No where to be seen. Did Ganga mobilize and send mass number of men to help us? like fcuk you. You just shagged and made more swamp babies ...

Below is a simplified map of what history threw at us. It was we who faced all the invaders and took the toll. You pussies were hiding behind are back in the dense Ganga jungles. If you fire a high velocity bullet at ten guys standing behind each other the guys at fron are going to take the kinetic impact. the wussies at back will get away with recieving the 'full punch" which will have been spenty by the time it goes trhrough the guys in front by tearing them apart.

I wish this could be posted every time Gangaland wussies accuse Pakistanis of sub-coming to invaders.
We took the brunt of every single invasion with the exception of the British. Who came from the east and the Ganagas didn't even put up a fight. At least Punjabi and Pashtoons fought the British before being conquered.

Pakistan is different from India in that our history has been fighting invaders and absorbing them into our culture.

Indians in the mean time were squatting in mud huts made of cow dung.

 

[Brahmanic]

If we have foreign genes in us, that makes US the conquerors as well dumbass.

The Kushans and Huns were Bactrians and they molested Hindustan multiple times, but in all fairness some Rajput clans and Gujjars are descended from them.

The Khilijis were Turks who assimilated into Pashtun culture, the Mughals were also Turks who assimilated into Indo-Aryan culture, the Ghaznavids were Turks who assimilated into Persian culture, etc. Turks have attacked Hindustan, and unless you are Muslim, you are unlikely to have anything to do with them.

Are you kidding me? You want to talk about war? How many times have Pashtuns (2nd largest Pakistani ethnic group) come and taken a massive dump on your country? What about the Vedic people, they came from the Punjab/Sindh and forcefully converted you lot to Hinduism whilst imposing a rigid caste system. How about Kanishka? He was from Peshawar and conquered large portions of Hindustan. Akbar was also from Sindh, Shah Jahan was from Lahore, Hyder Ali and Tipu Sultan were Punjabi, etc. Ever heard of Sikander Shah Mir or Mir Chakar Rind? They were Kashmiri and Baluchi Sultans respectively who waged war against Hindustan.

You have no legs to stand on when it comes to critiquing our fighting ability.

The Vedic people were from Central Asia(Russia originally).We are the people who destroyed indus valley civilization and imposed our religion and culture on majority of South Asians.

There is a reason majority of south asian speaks bastard languages of our Sanskrit.

 

[Hamza913]

The Vedic people were from Central Asia(Russia originally).We are the people who destroyed indus valley civilization and imposed our religion and culture on majority of South Asians.

There is a reason majority of south asian speaks bastard languages of our Sanskrit.

Right, but they settled in Punjab and Sindh before going elsewhere. There's a reason Brahmins have more genetically in common with Punjabis and Sindhis than other Hindustanis.

Again, we didn't have to send any help as you were not friendly Kingdoms. Neither you were any threat as you were weak and irrelevant due to lack of enough fertile lands and hence wealth. True that, Semi desert or desert saved you from most of the invasions from many of Indian Kingdoms. But that didn't stop foreign invasion which was eyeing at wealthy Indian Kingdoms.


Alexander didn't pursue India because they have to face the great Nanda empire which was a magnified version of the Porus. The Romans did try to invade after winning weak Punjab. But had to face Chandragupta Maurya and lost, formed an alliance through marriage with Mauryans. I guess King Nanda let the Porus take the beating while giving enough time to prepare for a war.

The great region which fought against Alexander later fell into the hands of mere Savages called Hunas. And the Gangas (as you call) defeated them decisively. So much for mighty and powerful descendants of Porus.

The Mauryans were originally from KPK, talk about an own goal.

Are you joking? The Huns ravaged Hindustan, they are the main reason the Gupta Empire went into decline (you guys should thank them, they ended Bengali imperialism that was imposed upon your people).

The mighty descendents of Porus made up large portions of their army and intermarried with them. Some Rajput, Jat and Gujjar clans as well as the Durranis are descended from them.

 

[Chhatrapati]

Are you kidding me? You want to talk about war? How many times have Pashtuns (2nd largest Pakistani ethnic group) come and taken a massive dump on your country? What about the Vedic people, they came from the Punjab/Sindh and forcefully converted you lot to Hinduism whilst imposing a rigid caste system.

Yes I'm kidding you. Pashtuns are Iran-Afghan groups. So, they are more Iran-Afghan people. Now you claim Afghanistan as your own out of convenience to back your pathetic attempts to have an identity. Afghans would disagree with you though. Speaking of Vedic people. As a Muslim, I would care much less about ethnicities or identities. But since you lot seem to have an inferiority complex and an identity crisis which is quite natural as your country still has an ethnic divide.
Also, since you don't know anything about caste system or Veda as you are ignorant and refuse to read how can you possibly say it was invented by you lot? As far as I know, the caste system was based on what you do rather than what tribe you were born. Until the early 200CE, the caste divide wasn't evident (based on birth right) i.e after some 1000 years since the composition of Vedas.

Right, but they settled in Punjab and Sindh before going elsewhere. There's a reason Brahmins have more genetically in common with Punjabis and Sindhis than other Hindustanis.

There wasn't Brahmins when they settled in Indus region after destroying IVC. Brahmins are relatively newer than the Vedas. (Maybe the RSS would disagree with me lol pun intended) Go read something before spouting stupidity.

The Mauryans were originally from KPK, talk about an own goal.

hahaha, I thought Islamabad, son of a Altaf Hussain.

Since when Bihar is in KPK?

Are you joking? The Huns ravaged Hindustan, they are the main reason the Gupta Empire went into decline (you guys should thank them, they ended Bengali imperialism that was imposed upon your people).

Wrong again, the Gupta Empire declined only after the defeat of Toramana the Hun. And later Mihirakula who was ruling the regions including Kashmir and was defeated by Bhanugupta with the help of Malwa empire was driven out of Indian subcontinent. Thereby coming to the aid of Conterminous but weak) Pakistan. (Again pun intended).

The mighty descendents of Porus made up large portions of their army and intermarried with them. Some Rajput, Jat and Gujjar clans as well as the Durranis are descended from them.

Not much of King Porus is known, not even of his Origins or successor. How can he be the Alfa gene for Jat, Rajput or Gujjars?

 

[Brahmanic]

Right, but they settled in Punjab and Sindh before going elsewhere. There's a reason Brahmins have more genetically in common with Punjabis and Sindhis than other Hindustanis.



The Mauryans were originally from KPK, talk about an own goal.

Are you joking? The Huns ravaged Hindustan, they are the main reason the Gupta Empire went into decline (you guys should thank them, they ended Bengali imperialism that was imposed upon your people).

The mighty descendents of Porus made up large portions of their army and intermarried with them. Some Rajput, Jat and Gujjar clans as well as the Durranis are descended from them.

We are south Asians as well we are in many ways similar to all south asian communities simce its been over 5000 years since we left Central Asia. But in modern world we are migrating out of india due to human rights abuse against us.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reservation_in_India


My cousins are marrying into European genepool as well since they are living in UK and US since British ruled south asia.

My one sister is a Brahmin-British mix and she looks completely different from me. She have standard blue eyes and Pale skin (i had but turned brown when i was 8) which is common in my small brahmin community (kashmiri-Pahadi) but she have reddish brown hair and very British features. (Yet we love each other and we celebrate rakhi each year togetheras well)

I think we are like jews, both are gods chosen people, both gave birth to different civilizations, both had to leave their lands and mix with other communities. I guess they will be asknazi brahmins in future.

Do you have any mix siblings @waz ? Many pakistanis in uk have mixed with Bosnians and Turks. One couple near my uncles house is Pakistani-Pomak mix. Apparently there are some Slavic Muslims of bulgaria called Pomaks who had to leave theor land for UK due to some reasons.

Yes I'm kidding you. Pashtuns are Iran-Afghan groups. So, they are more Iran-Afghan people. Now you claim Afghanistan as your own out of convenience to back your pathetic attempts to have an identity. Afghans would disagree with you though. Speaking of Vedic people. As a Muslim, I would care much less about ethnicities or identities. But since you lot seem to have an inferiority complex and an identity crisis which is quite natural as your country still has an ethnic divide.
Also, since you don't know anything about caste system or Veda as you are ignorant and refuse to read how can you possibly say it was invented by you lot? As far as I know, the caste system was based on what you do rather than what tribe you were born. Until the early 200CE, the caste divide was evident i.e after some 1000 years since the composition of Vedas.


There wasn't Brahmins when they settled in Indus region after destroying IVC. Brahmins are relatively newer than the Vedas. (Maybe the RSS would disagree with me lol pun intended) Go read something before spouting stupidity.


hahaha, I thought Islamabad, son of a Altaf Hussain.

Since when Bihar is in KPK?


Wrong again, the Gupta Empire declined only after the defeat of Toramana the Hun. And later Mihirakula who was ruling the regions including Kashmir and was defeated by Bhanugupta with the help of Malwa empire was driven out of Indian subcontinent. Thereby coming to the aid of Conterminous but weak) Pakistan. (Again pun intended).

Not much of King Porus is known, not even of his Origins or successor. How can he be the Alfa gene for Jat, Rajput or Gujjars?

Actually we brahmins converted mihir kula to Shivite hinduism and he liked lord Shiva as well due to his destructive powers as well.

He literally wipe out buddhism from north west India and Afghanistan for hinduosm and built massive shiva temples there.

Respect to great mihirkula .

@dsr478

Majority of Punjabis and Warrior-Nomadic clans and tribes who adopted brahmanic teaching and culture used to (still) worship Shiva because hes the god.

Strong, Muscular, Powerful, destructive, Angry, the supreme god, cannabis and Liqar (aryans fave thing) is attracted these powerful nomads like Turks(Hindu), East Iranic Afghan tribes, Kshatriyas, Marathas, Peshwa brahmins like bajirao, Hussini brahmins, Rajputs, Gujars, other Vedic tribes etc to him.

Even today the Warrior clans worship Lord Shiva like Brahmins more while Baniya, minor brahmin clans and other merchant clans worship Krishna more.

 

[waz]

Do you have any mix siblings @waz ? Many pakistanis in uk have mixed with Bosnians and Turks. One couple near my uncles house is Pakistani-Pomak mix. Apparently there are some Slavic Muslims of bulgaria called Pomaks who had to leave theor land for UK due to some reasons.

No mate, not in our young generations. My grandmother is the only one non-rajput stock.

 

[Brahmanic]

No mate, not in our young generations. My grandmother is the only one non-rajput stock.

Oh you are a Rajput ? What kind of rajput ? I guess you must be a Pahari Rajput from kashmiri region.

 

[Chhatrapati]

Actually we brahmins converted mihir kula to Shivite hinduism and he liked lord Shiva as well due to his destructive powers as well.

He literally wipe out buddhism from north west India and Afghanistan for hinduosm and built massive shiva temples there.

hmm. How is that relevant? Anyway, I heard Toramana converted to be Jains. Not sure if it's accurate.

 

[waz]

Oh you are a Rajput ? What kind of rajput ? I guess you must be a Pahari Rajput from kashmiri region.

Yes, Bhatti if you want to know the tribe. I get on very well with my counterparts from India whenever I meet them.

 

[Hamza913]

Yes I'm kidding you. Pashtuns are Iran-Afghan groups. So, they are more Iran-Afghan people. Now you claim Afghanistan as your own out of convenience to back your pathetic attempts to have an identity. Afghans would disagree with you though. Speaking of Vedic people. As a Muslim, I would care much less about ethnicities or identities. But since you lot seem to have an inferiority complex and an identity crisis which is quite natural as your country still has an ethnic divide.
Also, since you don't know anything about caste system or Veda as you are ignorant and refuse to read how can you possibly say it was invented by you lot? As far as I know, the caste system was based on what you do rather than what tribe you were born. Until the early 200CE, the caste divide wasn't evident (based on birth right) i.e after some 1000 years since the composition of Vedas.


There wasn't Brahmins when they settled in Indus region after destroying IVC. Brahmins are relatively newer than the Vedas. (Maybe the RSS would disagree with me lol pun intended) Go read something before spouting stupidity.


hahaha, I thought Islamabad, son of a Altaf Hussain.

Since when Bihar is in KPK?


Wrong again, the Gupta Empire declined only after the defeat of Toramana the Hun. And later Mihirakula who was ruling the regions including Kashmir and was defeated by Bhanugupta with the help of Malwa empire was driven out of Indian subcontinent. Thereby coming to the aid of Conterminous but weak) Pakistan. (Again pun intended).

Not much of King Porus is known, not even of his Origins or successor. How can he be the Alfa gene for Jat, Rajput or Gujjars?

They are Iranic, but genetically speaking Pashtuns are pretty similar to other Pakistanis:

You certainly seem to care about ethnicities since you think Muslim Pakistanis can't take Muslim Mughals or Muslim Durranis as their heroes (but even by your petty standard you flop as proven earlier).

The division has been there from pretty early on, despite what you may think.

Google it, the ancestors of the Mauryans came from KPK, they were known as the Mor tribe before they moved to Hindustan.

The Huns were defeated but they still caused the decline of the Gupta Empire and beat them a good few times before losing.

You didn't come to our aid, we embraced these people with open arms and they assimilated into our fold, why else do you think that there is a clan among the Gujjars, Rajputs and Jats that is named after Toramana (Google the Tomar clan), or the Durranis were called the Abdalis (the Huns were literally called Abdalites)? There has never been a point in history where most of Pakistan was ruled by Hindustanis.

Porus would obviously be related to the tribes that live around the area of Jhelum, this includes Rajputs, Jats and Gujjars.