When America Becomes No. 2 ...

[JayAtl]

You mean like this ?



Just kidding
Fine, I will give you a link but you could have done it yourself.
Read this and weep.( And I say this with all due respect of course)
Is the Dollar Dying? Why US Currency Is in Danger

Are these facts good enough for ya ?
Because I can also put other links about the steps China has taken to float its currency if I am arsed enough.


Haha! then why are you telling this to the crabs ?
Sorry to break your bubble but these crabs aren't ape-shit crazy.
US isolated geography is both its biggest strength and biggest weakness.
The weakness was covered by the fact that US was the only industrialized nation left standing when the dust of WW 2 settled in.

Location of China,India and Russia is more advantageous in the long term( beyond our lifetimes ) because they sit right on top of the world island.

Without derailing the thread, I suggest you read the work of Halford Mackinder, in case you aren't familiar with it.
He suggests that Americas will become peripheral to the world once everyone is developed more or less equally.

Which, btw, was true for 99 % of human history.He argues it is natural course of things.

History doesn't repeat itself,
but it rhymes
- Mark Twain

Oh jeez not a one trick pony article and a few outlier screechers shown as example by 3rd worlders for our demise. Here is where your pipe dreams of citing articles is a laughing stock.

For a country whose reserves are going down - we certainly see the world investing heavily and continually in our treasuries in even in the gravest of economic periods.

Even china bought more of our treasuries again because everyone knows we are a sure bet. world currency market is not just having large economies but also dependent on how "liquid" and how "deep" it is ( look it up -those are financial terms).

Because of artificially manipulating their currency you the chinese Govt keep a tight control over their foreign exchange controls and IN TURN you see countries hesitant to invest in its currency.

All of this has but one part to being a super power. You have still have not told me - how a country that has zero regional bases outsides it borders, zero nato like alliance is going to be a superpower? Once USSR ( alliance) fell , the super power status fell...

 

[UKBengali]

China's GDP will soon as as large as the whole West combined.

Game over then for Westerners.

 

[JayAtl]

China's GDP will soon as as large as the whole West combined.

Game over then for Westerners.

will you then stop living off them and go back to bangla-who-desh?

 

[UKBengali]

will you then stop living off them and go back to bangla-who-desh?

BD does not have mass starvation like there is in your country India.

 

[JayAtl]

BD does not have mass starvation like there is in your country India.

My country is america, but bangla who desh perhaps tackles starvation by simply burying its people in factories.

regardless can you answer the question will you then move back to bangla-who-desh?

 

[xenon54 out]

China's GDP will soon as as large as the whole West combined.

Game over then for Westerners.

And who will buy Chinese goods?
If West goes down also China goes down its that simple...

 

[Excelias]

Currently GDP of Russia is only $2.09 Trillion and that of China is $8.3 Trillion. Still Russia is known to have much more influence across the world compared to China. So, when Chinese can't even overtake Russia right now in power projection across the world, its highly unlikely they will do with America.

The influence of Russia is largely inherited from the USSR.The chinese still cant overtake them,this is true,but the situation will change with their multiple carriers they have planned.As of now chinese hardly have any power projection capability.Their rise has been recent,so they are still building up assets and making connections and establishing their power.If the chinese grow as per projections they will soon over shadow Russia.

 

[Indo-guy]

It does not take a genius to know what being a superpower entails. It is not " bluster" and just " cheap talk", nor is it just economic gains of being the no1 GDP, but having over a billion mouths to feed...

You need a global NATO like alliance and Global bases that surround the US -ala real threat to the US. and with the advent of USSR's collapse PLUS " democracy" now flourishing more in that part of the world. Challenging the US as a supower power is non existent.

In fact all indications are while China rises , all its neighbours are quickly coming back into the US fold. And we have China's bluster and bullying of neighbours to thank. And also the wonderful luck of having India and Russia also vying to be a global power( china's neighbour). The importance of this I don't think you have yet to grasp. It is like built in hurdle in that region.

These are cold hard facts and does not mean we will just sit back, as evident from our Asia pacific pivot.

Do you agree that China poses serious challenge to US position ?
or do you think that Washington have really nothing to worry about china's rise ?

I expect sincere answer from you ...I hope you will be able to set your prejudices ahead .

I expect your honest answer bereft of any rhetoric ...

I think that's what will benefit forum and thread like this .

One thing in which China has already dethroned US is global trade. China is the biggest trading partner of almost if not all important regions of the world that is a very important thing, more so then size of economy in certain ways.

The radical departure from post cold war era is that economy has emerged as centerpiece of foreign policy .

China has woven formidable economic partnerships with far flung regions of world unlike US where most emphasize was on military partnerships .

as US economy has stagnated the world has started clamoring for China

However I still believe the race between US and China is still wide open ...US has lead and China has vigor and appetite .
US has experience and China has enthusiasm ....Each side having its own distinct advantages and shortcomings ...

Both will be locked in a long drawn battle ....outcome of which is still contestable .

 

[Aegis DDG]

And who will buy Chinese goods?
If West goes down also China goes down its that simple...

Hence forth why China is now trying to relay on the domestic markets recently, as they accumulated capital from all those years of FDI and export revenues. And GDP per Capita of 9,000 with 700 million people, and an middle class the size of the US population is an formidable market.

 

[Indo-guy]

http://www.mahbubani.net/articles by dean/When America Becomes Number Two.pdf



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Dean of the Lee Kuan Yew School of Public Policy

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When America Becomes Number Two
Posted: 01/21/2014 3:36 pm EST Updated: 01/25/2014 4:01 pm EST


Kishore Mahbubani is Dean of the Lee Kuan Yew School of Public Policy and author of "The Great Convergence: Asia, the West and the Logic of One World."
SINGAPORE -- In 2019, barely five years away, the world will pass one of its most significant historical milestones. For the first time in 200 years, a non-Western power, China, will become the number one economy in purchasing power parity (PPP) terms. America will become number two. Yes, it will take longer for China's economy to overtake America's in nominal terms but the trend line is irresistible. And in PPP terms, China's economy could be twice that of America's by 2020.
The big question for our time therefore is this: is America ready to become number two? Sadly, it is not, even though Bill Clinton wisely tried to wake up his fellow Americans as far back as 2003. In a very subtle speech at Yale, he asked whether "we should be trying to create a world with rules and partnerships and habits of behavior that we would like to live in when we're no longer the military political economic superpower in the world."
Unfortunately, Bill Clinton was too subtle. He was trying to hint to his fellow Americans that America should create a model of rules-based behavior that would then serve as a model for China when it emerged as the number one power in the world. His hint was ignored. Hence, few Americans today are aware that America's national interests change dramatically when it becomes number two in the world. When it is number one, it is in America's interests to see that the number one power has complete freedom to do whatever it wants to do. When it is number two, it is not in America's interests to see that the number one power has complete freedom to do whatever it wants to do. Catch the difference?
Why have American leaders failed to prepare the American population for this significant change of interests? There are at least three reasons. Firstly, it is political suicide for any American politician in office to speak on America as number two. As I document in The Great Convergence, no serving American politician can use the words, "If America is number two..." or "When America becomes number two..." In the land of free speech, there is no effective freedom for serving politicians to speak undeniable truths.
Secondly, most American intellectuals continue to indulge in wishful thinking. In their minds, there is a deep ideological conviction that democracy represents the future and Communism represents the past. Since China is still run by the Chinese Communist Party, it can only represent the past, not the future. Many American intellectuals also believe that since they live in the world's freest society, they cannot possibly be prisoners of any ideology. This is massive self-deception. When it comes to understanding China, Americans have allowed ideology to trump mountains of empirical data. This is why they cannot even conceive of China becoming number one.
Thirdly, and very sadly, China's emergence is taking place at a moment of great political paralysis and disunity in the American body politic. If Nixon and Kissinger were managing American foreign policy today, they would have focused on the most critical challenge that America faces and found ingenious ways and means of implementing the wise advice that Bill Clinton offered in 2003 and prepared for a new geopolitical environment. The days of wise foreign policy management are long gone in Washington, DC. Furthermore, with Washington, DC being completely divided and polarized, the challenge of dealing with becoming number two is the last thing on the minds of American policymakers.
Sadly, the last thing on the minds of American policymakers will come true in five years. Will America wake up to this new reality before or after it happens

 

[Hypersonicmissiles]

By 2050 America will be 3rd. China and India will both pass the Americans.

It will be great to see the stupid obnoxious Americans and the rest of their Anglo-Saxon puppet countries crying when they see China and India both pass the Americans.

 

[Edison Chen]

And who will buy Chinese goods?
If West goes down also China goes down its that simple...

Yes, no one buys Chinese goods, so China with $4 trillion USD surpasses US as world's largest trading nation.

China surpasses US as world's largest trading nation | Business | The Guardian

 

[Indo-guy]

By 2050 America will be 3rd. China and India will both pass the Americans.

It will be great to see the stupid obnoxious Americans and the rest of their Anglo-Saxon puppet countries crying when they see China and India both pass the Americans.

Americans think otherwise ...look at their anti china propaganda.

I just posted new thread based on report by Top American - China analyst ....

China's deceptively weak and dangerous military

 

[Hypersonicmissiles]

Americans think otherwise ...look at their anti china propaganda.

I just posted new thread based on report by Top American - China analyst ....

The closer you get to challenging their hegemony, the more hatred you get.

Only countries that kiss their *** and be a puppet to their empire is loved by the Yankee thugs

 

[UKBengali]

My country is america, but bangla who desh perhaps tackles starvation by simply burying its people in factories.

regardless can you answer the question will you then move back to bangla-who-desh?

You live in US but you are and always will be Indian.

Hope you understand that point.