Whats Wrong with ISPR Press release emphasizing "BETTER GOVERNANCE" from Political Leadership

[VCheng]

U are increasingly sounding like asma jahangir in disguise

Please read my signature.

 

[Humble Analyst]

As I said before, we can talk about that in its own thread if you wish. But, that is not the topic here, is it?

Why is it so hard to respect the chain of command?

Have you ever commanded, managed people or work force anything Sir? I am begining to wonder now because if you had the answer to your question will come naturally.

 

[VCheng]

Have you ever commanded, managed people or work force anything Sir? I am begining to wonder now because if you had the answer to your question will come naturally.

Please read my signature too.

Seriously though, the Rule of Law is an important aspect of any civilized society and it has untold benefits for all.

 

[I M Sikander]

Men in uniform control the
India policy

Afghan policy

War on terror

Pak usa relations

Nuclear program

Karachi operation

Operations in FATA, Zarb azab

National security advisor seat

Operation in baluchistan

What else is left for the civilian leaders.

And wft is going on in operation Zarb Azab, this never ending operation is going on and on and on.

Even today fata areas are not cleared, even today PA is using paf against the terrorist in areas which have already been declared "cleared" by army.

 

[Humble Analyst]

Please read my signature too.

Seriously though, the Rule of Law is an important aspect of any civilized society and it has untold benefits for all.

It comes with excerising the law not just because it is written in the constitution. The British rule in USA, India other colonies was under a law, what happened, Quebec Martial lawas are also parts of evolution? It is in the History. We should be thankful to Military that they tookover and did what had to be done.
The question was not a personal attack at all I seriously believe you were/are involved in work which revolved around study/research or something instead of personnel administration.

 

[VCheng]

On topic:

Military’s complaint - Newspaper - DAWN.COM

Military’s complaint
EDITORIAL

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—ISPR/File


A DAY can make a great deal of difference. On Monday, the prime minister and his senior aides, along with senior military officials, met to review progress on the National Action Plan. The meeting concluded that progress in some key areas was not satisfactory.

Crucially, the official reports of the meeting did not specify what new steps were decided on to improve implementation of NAP in the areas where progress was found wanting.

The next day came the institutional blowback. In a blunt statement following the corps commanders’ conference held on Tuesday, the ISPR communicated the military’s unhappiness with the extent to which the civilian side of the state is allegedly lagging behind the military side in fighting terrorism and extremism.

Clearly, it cannot be a welcome state of affairs when the military leadership is publicly assailing the civilian leadership of the country. What compounds that problem is that a day earlier the army chief himself participated in the NAP review meeting convened by the prime minister.

Could the specific concerns the army leadership has about NAP’s implementation not have been communicated in private?

There is another aspect to the problem: are the military’s claims of success in fighting terrorism and militancy really what they are made out to be? While no one would claim that the civilian side of the state is performing adequately, it is also the case that the civilian shortcomings are in full view of the public.

Is that necessarily so in the case of the military? When it comes to military operations in FATA, for example, are the frequent claims of sustained progress in any way independently verifiable?

While Operation Zarb-i-Azb has disrupted militant networks in North Waziristan and reclaimed territory that militant groups dominated for years, there was never any road map to success declared by the military in advance. That means there is no way of knowing if Zarb-i-Azb is going according to plan and original expectations.

Furthermore, with the majority of the IDPs yet to be resettled, it is not known at what cost the military successes have come. Consider the situation in adjoining South Waziristan, where a military operation launched in 2009 has yet to lead to the full normalisation of the agency.

Finally, presuming the military’s intention is to work in coordination with a civilian leadership jolted into action, were Tuesday’s statements via the media in any way helpful to the very goal the military is ostensibly trying to achieve?

In the realm of civil-military relations, a civilian leadership is unlikely to be humiliated or coerced into doing its job by the military. Such public pressure may in fact breed more resentment among the civilian leadership and help thwart the very goal the military is trying to achieve.

Fighting terrorism and militancy must remain a national priority. The civilians need to do more. The military needs to be wiser.

Published in Dawn, November 12th, 2015

 

[Humble Analyst]

Men in uniform control the
India policy

Afghan policy

War on terror

Pak usa relations

Nuclear program

Karachi operation

Operations in FATA, Zarb azab

National security advisor seat

Operation in baluchistan

What else is left for the civilian leaders.

And wft is going on in operation Zarb Azab, this never ending operation is going on and on and on.

Even today fata areas are not cleared, even today PA is using paf against the terrorist in areas which have already been declared "cleared" by army.

Corruption, poor administration, lack of Justice, that is what is left

On topic:

Military’s complaint - Newspaper - DAWN.COM

Military’s complaint
EDITORIAL

.
—ISPR/File
Stop prtecting corrupt criminal leaders like Zardari and Altaf but he cannot, look at Nwaz face. Look at the hatred.

A DAY can make a great deal of difference. On Monday, the prime minister and his senior aides, along with senior military officials, met to review progress on the National Action Plan. The meeting concluded that progress in some key areas was not satisfactory.

Crucially, the official reports of the meeting did not specify what new steps were decided on to improve implementation of NAP in the areas where progress was found wanting.

The next day came the institutional blowback. In a blunt statement following the corps commanders’ conference held on Tuesday, the ISPR communicated the military’s unhappiness with the extent to which the civilian side of the state is allegedly lagging behind the military side in fighting terrorism and extremism.

Clearly, it cannot be a welcome state of affairs when the military leadership is publicly assailing the civilian leadership of the country. What compounds that problem is that a day earlier the army chief himself participated in the NAP review meeting convened by the prime minister.

Could the specific concerns the army leadership has about NAP’s implementation not have been communicated in private?

There is another aspect to the problem: are the military’s claims of success in fighting terrorism and militancy really what they are made out to be? While no one would claim that the civilian side of the state is performing adequately, it is also the case that the civilian shortcomings are in full view of the public.

Is that necessarily so in the case of the military? When it comes to military operations in FATA, for example, are the frequent claims of sustained progress in any way independently verifiable?

While Operation Zarb-i-Azb has disrupted militant networks in North Waziristan and reclaimed territory that militant groups dominated for years, there was never any road map to success declared by the military in advance. That means there is no way of knowing if Zarb-i-Azb is going according to plan and original expectations.

Furthermore, with the majority of the IDPs yet to be resettled, it is not known at what cost the military successes have come. Consider the situation in adjoining South Waziristan, where a military operation launched in 2009 has yet to lead to the full normalisation of the agency.

Finally, presuming the military’s intention is to work in coordination with a civilian leadership jolted into action, were Tuesday’s statements via the media in any way helpful to the very goal the military is ostensibly trying to achieve?

In the realm of civil-military relations, a civilian leadership is unlikely to be humiliated or coerced into doing its job by the military. Such public pressure may in fact breed more resentment among the civilian leadership and help thwart the very goal the military is trying to achieve.

Fighting terrorism and militancy must remain a national priority. The civilians need to do more. The military needs to be wiser.

Published in Dawn, November 12th, 2015

 

[I M Sikander]

Corruption, poor administration, lack of Justice, that is what is left

Corruption is equally there among the men in uniform.they are no saints.

We know how men in uniform protect their fellow corrupt generals in supreme court , reinstate them ans take them under their shelter.

 

[Paksanity]

A Congressional hearing is public by law. What happened to General McChrystal?

Not much happened to McChrystal actually except loosing his command over ops. Besides, there are many many examples of US generals who have shown concern during Afghan and Iraq war. Openly in media. Even Indian Generals issue statements on where Government is not supporting them. They are no insignificant officials. They are professionals who have spent decades in their fields and their words carry weight. Their only credential is not being born in a politician's home.

Our soldiers have died and are still dying. Success has come at a high cost and here we have dude who sitting in US is hurt because.......? All the sacrifices are in danger of going waste if government doesn't take up its responsibilities. Even a blind man can see that. If military operation is not backed up by matching government actions, Pakistan will go back into the inferno of terrorism. Everyone knows that. And you, an American, want us to support government?

Here is a piece of government efficiency. They haven't yet appointed civil administrators in Swat valley which has been liberated many many years ago. Go figure!

 

[VCheng]

All the sacrifices are in danger of going waste if government doesn't take up its responsibilities.

That is sadly true, but it is only the consequence of mistakes past. And we are still adamant on continuing to make them.

 

[Humble Analyst]

Corruption is equally there among the men in uniform.they are no saints.

We know how men in uniform protect their fellow corrupt generals in supreme court , reinstate them ans take them under their shelter.

Not equally, me4n in Uniform are not as bad the politiicians, bureaucrats and Judiciary as you are stating.

 

[Paksanity]

Men in uniform control the
India policy

Afghan policy

War on terror

Pak usa relations

Nuclear program

Karachi operation

Operations in FATA, Zarb azab

National security advisor seat

Operation in baluchistan

What else is left for the civilian leaders.

And wft is going on in operation Zarb Azab, this never ending operation is going on and on and on.

Even today fata areas are not cleared, even today PA is using paf against the terrorist in areas which have already been declared "cleared" by army.

Military has made it amply clear that they don't wish to do these jobs. Punjab, Sindh and KP police is free to go and clean Karachi, FATA and Punjab seminaries.

Now let's focus on areas where government is absolutely free to do things. They must have done wonders there, right? Energy crisis? Economy? Tax reforms? Police reforms? Judicial reforms? What happened in all these areas? Who has stopped them from performing here?

 

[I M Sikander]

Not equally, me4n in Uniform are not as bad the politiicians, bureaucrats and Judiciary as you are stating.

Dont act like retarded people.
We know how genius and pious were ayub, yahya, zia , mysharaf, kiyani and other generals.

 

[I M Sikander]

Military has made it amply clear that they don't wish to do these jobs. Punjab, Sindh and KP police is free to go and clean Karachi, FATA and Punjab seminaries.

Now let's focus on areas where government is absolutely free to do things. They must have done wonders there, right? Energy crisis? Economy? Tax reforms? Police reforms? Judicial reforms? What happened in all these areas? Who has stopped them from performing here?

Even after taking control of all policy matter and day to day functioning of government, the appetite of generals is asking for more and more.

Questioning the competence of government isnt the domain of men in uniform.

 

[VCheng]

Now let's focus on areas where government is absolutely free to do things. They must have done wonders there, right? Energy crisis? Economy? Tax reforms? Police reforms? Judicial reforms? What happened in all these areas? Who has stopped them from performing here?

Who has stopped them from performing here? May be, just may be, the repeated disruptions of the due process caused by Martial Law had something to do with it? May be?