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I just receeived a video of Hindu mobs attacking cars with rods, rocks and swords and another video of a Muslim man having his neck hacked by sword wielding Hindus. It seems the Rwandan type genocide has started but is being undertaken Israeli style. Indian Muslims must arm themselves o protect their property and families.
Indians don't have guns, like their Gov wont let them have guns - so with gov support any group literally role over others without serious fight back

There's a reason why I don't think any group can do Rwandan genocide in Pak, everyone is bloody armed, try stupid shit- you'll get stupid results
Even oppressed landless farmers with guns have killed their oppressors in multiple instances

One of the reasons no country can ever truly invade the country without committing a genocide of millions of people- they'll have to face at least 100 million armed mofos hating their guts
try your luck... lol
 
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According to Salafism, they aren't Muslim as they assume they are all grave worshippers.
They say the same about any non arab or non salafi Muslims.
For the last few days, Indian muslims are sharing most horrific videos of Muslim killing and rape of muslim young girls in India and constantly people are pouring those videos in whatsapp groups. I don't know if Mod allow me to post those videos. I have never seen such brutality in my life. They literally remind me how TTP used to slaughter our soldiers in Swat. But again those TTP slaughter their enemy that think of, but Modi lovers are looting, rape and destroying muslims property in broad daylight.
An image captured by a few Muslims family, where Hindu extremists slaughter and butcher the whole body of Muslim into pieces. A family was filming the whole brutality from their cameras. Muslims shops and houses are robbed by mobs, rape and looting are now commonly protected by Indian police.
The whole Muslim world is silent...and the champion of democracy..... I am speechless after watching those videos wish could post a few of them here ...

A little preview
Thank you Jinnah!
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I can see it. Maybe its banned in Yemen. Try using a VPN.
What is more relevant is if Pakistan is touted as Muslim citadel - something members here will remind you at every turn, therefore India has every right to turn their country into citadel of Hinduism. After all there are dozen plus Islamic republics. Muslims can do hijra to dozen Islamic lands/countries.

Do Hindus not have right to have at least one Hindu republic?
They can't have a hindu rashtra and that is why they go killing Muslims. As long as their is a significant Muslim minority in India they cannot have it. So the only solution is to ethnically clense them and the rest will be too scared and timid to resist.
 
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Indians don't have guns, like their Gov wont let them have guns - so with gov support any group literally role over others without serious fight back

There's a reason why I don't think any group can do Rwandan genocide in Pak, everyone is bloody armed, try stupid shit- you'll get stupid results
Even oppressed landless farmers with guns have killed their oppressors in multiple instances

One of the reasons no country can ever truly invade the country without committing a genocide of millions of people- they'll have to face at least 100 million armed mofos hating their guts
try your luck... lol
Yeah. A guerrilla resistance is very difficult to put down. In the old days people didn't care who ruled them that much because the king was a glorified tax collector and it was difficult to invade outside your geographic region. Europe would almost always have a European king and the Middle East would always have a middle eastern king. Advances in naval technology changed that and allowed for colonization which didn't really work out since the people rebelled. The popularization of the Nation State means that countries are now tied to ethnicities and people are more educated due to the industrial revolution. That is the real reason countries don't invade each other like they used to not because of some "modern warfare is too devastating" crap. Its easier just to make another country your puppet state. Also, you don't need resources to become a rich country. Japan is the fourth richest country and they have almost no natural resources.
 
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We can't post due to forum rules, it's all beyond imagination ...

It seems Indian Muslims felt too Indian ... and now their feeling of comfort is haunting them down... they have no political voice or they have no power nor unity to stand up ... they think all will be gone when Modi gone ............. is it true ??? no answer as of yet ...
It's not fair thing to say. They were betrayed by the Hindus who first told them they are one people and one country but that was just to fool them. Then there are the foolish and sellout Mullahs who told Hindu lies to the Muslims which resulted them to be systematically pushed into poverty very much what the Zion controlled countries are doing to the Muslims today. Those Muslims in India most of who have little economic power are pretty stuck, unless they unify and fight for their rights. When there is little you can do the worst you can do is nothing. Indian Muslims need to start shifting to areas of concentration to North India, Mumbai and Bangladesh. A second partition is needed to resolve the remnant issues of post colonial India.
 
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For the last few days, Indian muslims are sharing most horrific videos of Muslim killing and rape of muslim young girls in India and constantly people are pouring those videos in whatsapp groups. I don't know if Mod allow me to post those videos. I have never seen such brutality in my life. They literally remind me how TTP used to slaughter our soldiers in Swat. But again those TTP slaughter their enemy that think of, but Modi lovers are looting, rape and destroying muslims property in broad daylight.
An image captured by a few Muslims family, where Hindu extremists slaughter and butcher the whole body of Muslim into pieces. A family was filming the whole brutality from their cameras. Muslims shops and houses are robbed by mobs, rape and looting are now commonly protected by Indian police.
The whole Muslim world is silent...and the champion of democracy..... I am speechless after watching those videos wish could post a few of them here ...

A little preview

I cannot imagine Muslims (even Jamatis) doing this kind of hate to Hindus in Bangladesh, bringing out hate-based slogans, communal themed processions and $hit. Just plain unthinkable - this kind of low life savagery.

The second half of the video was a BJP procession in West Bengal giving slogans in support of 'oppressed" Hindus in Bangladesh (BJP/RSS liars at it again), while Hindus in Bangladesh are being cossetted and helped with high level govt. positions (and all the graft proceeds they entail). Like one Bangladeshi poster commented (@Atlas bhai?) Hindus are safer and doing much better in Bangladesh than in India.

I think this whipping up of religious fervor in West Bengal is BJP plan to garner more votes to win West Bengal Govt. from TMC's Mamata Banerjee (WB chief Minister), who is seen as a Muslim appeaser. WB population is 1/3 Muslim.

I don't see WB going to these cow belter ba$tards however (they are trying with plenty of noise). Most of these cow-belter bhakts from Bihar were given jobs in WB because their BIMARU states are $hitholes anyway, now they want to take over West Bengal.
 
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Nationalism is haram for all muslims.. Not just for Pakistani but when it comes to practice , it is only stupid Pakistanis who want to follow it without expecting any reciprocity. Sorry but can't have your cake and eat it too.

Every muslim , be it Afghan , indian , kashmiri , arab , iranians and etc must follow. Unilaterally following this concept will allow others to take advantage of us which they have been taking for decades.

Allah will question them for being nationalistic on the day of judgment. Just because others do haram doesn’t mean you also do it. Some Muslims eat pork and drink alcohol and have zina but it doesn’t make those things halal or right for you to do it.
Nationalism is haram in Islam.
Without Pakistan, the Pakistani people cannot he free to practice Islam and be Muslims. Without Pakistan, Pakistani Muslims will become a slave race to idol worshippers like the "indian Muslims" are. Is that what you want? Is that what Islam wants? Until ALL Muslims accept we are all "Muslim brothers and sisters" THEN and ONLY THEN can there be Muslim unity. The ONLY brothers and sisters Pakistan has is the ONE nation that has stood by Pakistan in it's darkest hours for the past 70 years. Which country is that? It is not a Muslim country.

Alhamdulillah for Pakistan. I’m a patriotic Pakistani. However I’m not a nationalist. Nationalism is haram. I don’t believe a Pakistani Muslim is superior to an Indian Muslim. And even if other Muslims hate me and don’t consider me their brother I still consider them my brother because that’s what Islam says we’re all Muslim brothers and sisters.
Nationalism is haram and your trying to make a haram halal by justifying it because others sin and believe in nationalism too. I have provided you many Hadith evidence nationalism is haram yet you still reply with the same bs so there’s no point in me even replying to you again.

NATIONALISM IS HARAM
ISLAM FIRST
PAKISTAN SECOND
 
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There's a reason why I don't think any group can do Rwandan genocide in Pak, everyone is bloody armed, try stupid shit- you'll get stupid results
Even oppressed landless farmers with guns have killed their oppressors in multiple instances

One of the reasons no country can ever truly invade the country without committing a genocide of millions of people- they'll have to face at least 100 million armed mofos hating their guts
try your luck... lol

The best thing about Pakistan is almost everyone has a gun. Civilians owning guns helps ensure their freedom and safety. Sure there’s some downsides like terrorism but with good policies you can get rid of terrorism and with everyone armed you can basically be the strongest state ever.
 
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Modi has literally ruined the Indian society, extreme polarization. Hate is not stopping. Some of videos we can't even watch...

Extreme polarization is the basis of Modi's vote-gaining strategy. More polarization and hate means he gets more votes.

The boogaboo of Muslim takeover "threat" (Love Jihad, Islamic "terrorism", whether "real" or not) feeds Hindu fear and their supporting his political platform in India. BJP and RSS workers have perfected this hate-based strategy since the early 1900's, when the movement for Pakistan started.

The founders of Hindutva were Bengali Hindu intellectuals by the way, as a moderate conservative backlash to Western liberalism. 170 years later, the train has gone completely off the rails. Here's a nice early account.


BTW, look at how RSS has confused Indian Muslims by sweet talking some of them into their fold, these dumb pseudo Muslims keep giving quarter, until there is no more quarter left to be given. Sad.


In any case, I don't care about any of this.

Let India unravel while the world economy moves on and passes India by. We will have to provide for the talented Indian Muslims in Bangladesh and Pakistan, I am afraid.
 
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Without Pakistan, the Pakistani people cannot he free to practice Islam and be Muslims. Without Pakistan, Pakistani Muslims will become a slave race to idol worshippers like the "indian Muslims" are. Is that what you want? Is that what Islam wants? Until ALL Muslims accept we are all "Muslim brothers and sisters" THEN and ONLY THEN can there be Muslim unity. The ONLY brothers and sisters Pakistan has is the ONE nation that has stood by Pakistan in it's darkest hours for the past 70 years. Which country is that? It is not a Muslim country.

Pakistan doesn’t exist without Islam. Without considering every Muslim our brothers and sisters there is no such thing as Pakistan. It’s just Pashtuns, Baloch, Sindhis, Punjabis and Kashmiris. With Islam though we are one with Islam and considering every Muslim our brothers and sisters we are Pakistan.
Pakistani nationalism never existed and never will because it’s too diverse only thing that unites us is Islam.
Pakistan ka matlab kya, La Illaha Illal Allah!
 
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Why India’s Muslims Are in Grave Danger
An expert on communal riots says the country may well be witnessing the start of a larger pogrom.

By Ravi Agrawal, the editor in chief of Foreign Policy.

Security personnel patrol a street following sectarian riots over India's new citizenship law in New Delhi, India, on Feb. 28, 2020. Xavier Galiana/AFP/Getty Images


March 2, 2020, 4:04 PM


India has been jolted by the deadliest communal violence in New Delhi in decades. The fighting began on Sunday, Feb. 23—just before U.S. President Donald Trump arrived in the country for meetings with Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi—and quickly escalated into mass riots, with Hindu mobs targeting Muslim homes in the city’s northeast. At least 45 people were killed—mostly Muslims.
Ashutosh Varshney, a Brown University professor and author of the prize-winning Ethnic Conflict and Civic Life: Hindus and Muslims in India, believes last week’s riots in Delhi bear some of the hallmarks of an organized pogrom. India has been there before: In 2002, in Gujarat, when Modi was the state’s chief minister, more than 1,000 people were killed in religious riots. Most were Muslims. While Modi was later cleared of wrongdoing by the country’s judiciary, critics say that he could have done much more to prevent the attacks. And in 1984, again in Delhi, an estimated 3,000 Sikhs were targeted and killed after Prime Minister Indira Gandhi was assassinated by her Sikh bodyguards. In both cases, experts say, riots could not have been conducted without some complicity on the part of the police.
Varshney believes last week’s deadly clashes could be repeated in other parts of the country—and that Muslims are particularly vulnerable. Here is a transcript of Foreign Policy’s interview with Varshney, lightly edited for clarity.
Ravi Agrawal: There’s been a bit of debate about whether the violence in Delhi last week should be defined as a riot or as something more serious—a pogrom. Can you explain the difference?

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Ashutosh Varshney: Pogroms are a special class of riots when it’s no longer simply a clash between two mobs or groups. Instead, the police are siding with one group either by looking away or by abetting and sometimes even directly participating in the violence. The key difference between riots and pogroms lies in the behavior of the state—through its police. The term was born in tsarist Russia when pogroms were launched against Jews.

RA: Given what we know now, how would you classify the violence in Delhi?
AV: On the first day and night—Sunday, Feb. 23—we saw two mobs going at each other. There were deaths on both sides. But on the second and third day, the partisanship of the police became clear. A mosque, a Muslim shrine, and Muslim homes and shops were attacked. The police did not respond to calls for help. Logs suggest a high volume of those calls came from predominantly Muslim parts of northeast Delhi. But the police failed to show up. Hindu mobs then attacked with abandon.
The second part is more direct participation. There are videos, in particular one which shows young Muslim men being hit by a Hindu mob. And the cops are asking the fallen and beaten Muslim men to sing the national anthem—as they’re being hit. That is quite egregious.
But the more significant evidence thus far is of the police simply looking away and not responding to Muslim pleas for help as homes, places of worship, and commercial enterprises were attacked with impunity.
RA: The fact that all of this happened in New Delhi, the capital city of India, is significant.
 
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I just receeived a video of Hindu mobs attacking cars with rods, rocks and swords and another video of a Muslim man having his neck hacked by sword wielding Hindus. It seems the Rwandan type genocide has started but is being undertaken Israeli style. Indian Muslims must arm themselves to protect their property and families.
Must be videos of some old riots or something.. otherwise there would have been something on the news.

Can you confirm the time and location of said attacks ?
 
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Salaam

The problem with a lot of people here is that most deal in extremes.

Islam has forbidden nationalism - but does that mean that the leaders/civilians of Pakistan are not obligated to look out for the interest of Pakistan first? Does that mean Islam forbids Pakistan from restricting access to Pakistani citizenship that somehow Pakistan is obligated to accept all Muslims as citizens?

Reading the life of Mohammad pbuh whilst keeping the historical context in mind makes things clear for anyone willing to learn.
Just as an example. The treaty of Hudaybia protected the rights of the Muslims of Medina at the cost of the Muslims of Makkah. When Muslims had to return escaped Makkan Muslims back to the Makkan Kuffar.

The mutual international agreements signed were honoured - we learn that from RasulAllah pbuh himself. Muslims allied with non-Muslims tribes in and around Madina.

Even when giving out Zakat and charity, not all Muslims eligible are equal in right. The ones closest to you get priority and then the ones closer and so on.

So the people of Pakistan and the leadership of Pakistan is first and foremost obligated to protect and secure Pakistan and Pakistani interests. Once they have managed to do that and have some effort/resources to spare, they can extend the spare to others. The same applies to Gulf Arabs and Iranians and Turks etc.

The idea is a closer reading of Islamic early history can clear a lot of misconceptions that many of the people have about what Islam commands or forbids about statecraft and such.

With regards to what the Gulfies are doing or Turks or Iranians or the North Africans - and using that to say we should take Islam from them? Islam is preserved in the books and no Arab or non Arab king's or people's actions can change that. If the Gulf Arabs drink alcohol or murder innocents or whatever, it wouldn't make it halal or haram for a person expecting to be called to account on the Day of Judgment. To them is their grave and to us is ours.
 
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Pakistan doesn’t exist without Islam. Without considering every Muslim our brothers and sisters there is no such thing as Pakistan. It’s just Pashtuns, Baloch, Sindhis, Punjabis and Kashmiris. With Islam though we are one with Islam and considering every Muslim our brothers and sisters we are Pakistan.
Pakistani nationalism never existed and never will because it’s too diverse only thing that unites us is Islam.
Pakistan ka matlab kya, La Illaha Illal Allah!






Pakistani Nationalism DOES EXIST. Those that want Pakistanis to be the slaves of non-Pakistani Muslims claim what you do. IF ALL Muslims were brothers and sisters then why do the Afghans hate Pakistan? Why do the Palestinians and other Arabs support india over Pakistan? Go and tell a Saudi, Kuwaiti or Emirati that Pakistanis are their fellow "Muslim brothers and sisters" See what their response would be. I honestly don't give two hoots about so called "indian Muslims", Palestinians, Arabs or ANY other non-Pakistani Muslims.
 
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Salaam

The problem with a lot of people here is that most deal in extremes.

Islam has forbidden nationalism - but does that mean that the leaders/civilians of Pakistan are not obligated to look out for the interest of Pakistan first? Does that mean Islam forbids Pakistan from restricting access to Pakistani citizenship that somehow Pakistan is obligated to accept all Muslims as citizens?

Reading the life of Mohammad pbuh whilst keeping the historical context in mind makes things clear for anyone willing to learn.
Just as an example. The treaty of Hudaybia protected the rights of the Muslims of Medina at the cost of the Muslims of Makkah. When Muslims had to return escaped Makkan Muslims back to the Makkan Kuffar.

The mutual international agreements signed were honoured - we learn that from RasulAllah pbuh himself. Muslims allied with non-Muslims tribes in and around Madina.

Even when giving out Zakat and charity, not all Muslims eligible are equal in right. The ones closest to you get priority and then the ones closer and so on.

So the people of Pakistan and the leadership of Pakistan is first and foremost obligated to protect and secure Pakistan and Pakistani interests. Once they have managed to do that and have some effort/resources to spare, they can extend the spare to others. The same applies to Gulf Arabs and Iranians and Turks etc.

The idea is a closer reading of Islamic early history can clear a lot of misconceptions that many of the people have about what Islam commands or forbids about statecraft and such.

With regards to what the Gulfies are doing or Turks or Iranians or the North Africans - and using that to say we should take Islam from them? Islam is preserved in the books and no Arab or non Arab king's or people's actions can change that. If the Gulf Arabs drink alcohol or murder innocents or whatever, it wouldn't make it halal or haram for a person expecting to be called to account on the Day of Judgment. To them is their grave and to us is ours.

There's is a pattern here if you want to study the phenomenon. Most of the vile views are from PTI fans invested and infested by radical racist views prevalent in UK which they seek to export to Pakistan.

The racial element cannot go understated.

The same hatred will come to play when water becomes scarcer and urge for racial supremacy and tribalism gather momentum.

If it helps, there are enough threads on alleged warrior or colonial propagated martial races.
Pakistani Nationalism DOES EXIST. Those that want Pakistanis to be the slaves of non-Pakistani Muslims claim what you do. IF ALL Muslims were brothers and sisters then why do the Afghans hate Pakistan? Why do the Palestinians and other Arabs support india over Pakistan? Go and tell a Saudi, Kuwaiti or Emirati that Pakistanis are their fellow "Muslim brothers and sisters" See what their response would be. I honestly don't give two hoots about so called "indian Muslims", Palestinians, Arabs or ANY other non-Pakistani Muslims.

it won't burn your wings if you manage to squeeze Iranian or Persian in it.

you won't survive your own village with your views.
Pakistan doesn’t exist without Islam. Without considering every Muslim our brothers and sisters there is no such thing as Pakistan. It’s just Pashtuns, Baloch, Sindhis, Punjabis and Kashmiris. With Islam though we are one with Islam and considering every Muslim our brothers and sisters we are Pakistan.
Pakistani nationalism never existed and never will because it’s too diverse only thing that unites us is Islam.
Pakistan ka matlab kya, La Illaha Illal Allah!

PTI is actively working towards changing the foundational myth of the country to a river based ideology.

Then would come the water wars.
 
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