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[VCheng]

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My intended audience was actually Pakistanis and focus on the final paragraph.

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The audience is anyone with a brain to see the game being played out and with knowledge of history. Suggestions are welcome from anyone, but would be most applicable to Pakistanis, domestic or otherwise. It's unfortunate that you don't consider yourself amongst the group that would be interested in repairing/advancing Pak-American ties.



That's OK. I never expected anything more than meaningless, vague one-liners from you.

Well you say first that your intended audience was Pakistanis, and then imply they are the only one with the brains to see the game being played out, as if others do not qualify.

Resorting to personal attacks would be typical of one running out of intellect, but let's see how it goes from here:

Let's hear your proposed answers to the questions you have posed, to see if repairing US-Pakistan ties is even possible or indeed preferable at all.

 

[Developereo]

Well you say first that your intended audience was Pakistanis, and then imply they are the only one with the brains to see the game being played out, as if others do not qualify.

Resorting to personal attacks would be typical of one running out of intellect, but let's see how it goes from here:

Let's hear your proposed answers to the questions you have posed, to see if repairing US-Pakistan ties is even possible or indeed preferable at all.

YOU are the one who wrote about "predictable delusions" and then feign victimhood when paid back in the same coin. My focus on Pakistanis (American, Australian or otherwise) was not because they have exclusive rights on brains, but because they would be the most concerned about the Pak-America relationship. Frankly, I would have thought Pak-Americans would be at the forefront of damage control and improving ties.

We can hope that non-Pakistani Americans are also interested but, given that Pakistan is a low priority for them and their government is already 'taking care of business', most ordinary non-Pakistani Americans can be excused for not bothering with Pakistan.

 

[VCheng]

...................My focus on Pakistanis (American, Australian or otherwise) was not because they have exclusive rights on brains, but because they would be the most concerned about the Pak-America relationship. Frankly, I would have thought Pak-Americans would be at the forefront of damage control and improving ties.

We can hope that non-Pakistani Americans are also interested but, given that Pakistan is a low priority for them and their government is already 'taking care of business', most ordinary non-Pakistani Americans can be excused for not bothering with Pakistan.

Two things: Pakistani-Americans, myself included, are indeed at the forefront of efforts to improve the situation in a way that those outside USA cannot even comprehend. And non-Pakistani Americans are not as disinterested as you would think. Trust me on both, if you can.

I stand by my concisely accurate assessment of your OP as being predictably delusional, but let's just try to move on to answering the important questions you have posed in the last paragraph, if we can. Shall we try?

 

[Developereo]

Two things: Pakistani-Americans, myself included, are indeed at the forefront of efforts to improve the situation in a way that those outside USA cannot even comprehend. And non-Pakistani Americans are not as disinterested as you would think. Trust me on both, if you can.

I stand by my concisely accurate assessment of your OP as being predictably delusional, but let's just try to move on to answering the important questions you have posed in the last paragraph, if we can. Shall we try?

I already wrote that I see no easy answers and am looking for suggestions. That was the whole point of this thread in the first place.

Since you have been valiantly fighting the good fight, perhaps you can elucidate how you are helping Pakistan. Those of us outside the US will concentrate real hard and try to "comprehend".

Specifics please this time, combined with their demonstrated effectiveness.

No more vague statements.

 

[VCheng]

I already wrote that I see no easy answers and am looking for suggestions. That was the whole point of this thread in the first place.

Since you have been valiantly fighting the good fight, perhaps you can elucidate how you are helping Pakistan. Those of us outside the US will concentrate real hard and try to "comprehend".

Specifics please this time, combined with their demonstrated effectiveness.

No more vague statements.

There are no easy answers, true. Pakistan has some serious choices to make in whether it can afford to pay the price of using terrorism as a strategic asset. That is key.

What I do here is not the topic, is it?

 

[Masterio92]

There are no easy answers, true. Pakistan has some serious choices to make in whether it can afford to pay the price of using terrorism as a strategic asset. That is key.

What I do here is not the topic, is it?

Many countries doing this terrorism through several means i.e militaries and agencies and other contracting companies etc. What your take Mr. V cheng? What should pakistan do to protect its interest.?

 

[VCheng]

Many countries doing this terrorism through several means i.e militaries and agencies and other contracting companies etc. What your take Mr. V cheng? What should pakistan do to protect its interest.?

My take is simple: any other state that you refer to as engaging in terrorism as a policy are ready to pay the associated price too. Is Pakistan?

Pakistan's long term interests are better served by renouncing this policy rather than persisting with it, given the present situation and how it is likely to evolve.

 

[SQ8]

My take is simple: any other state that you refer to as engaging in terrorism as a policy are ready to pay the associated price too. Is Pakistan?

Pakistan's long term interests are better served by renouncing this policy rather than persisting with it, given the present situation and how it is likely to evolve.

The most interesting development is happening politically. The normally strong Mullah-Military alliance is beginning to crumble as recently major Religious-Party leadership has been decrying the "use" of Islam and those political forces that parade under that banner by the military to forward its own causes.
Many have come out openly for peace with India.. so while the Hafiz Saeed types may still haggle around... Most religious parties will denounce terror as a weapon(at least the one which involves blowing themselves up outside of their country).
There is now a certain religious bloc that will form part of Pakistan's future.
And we all know that the US does have its contacts with these parties even when the latter burns the star spangled banner publicly. After all, those kids studying abroad are good ransom for influence.
I am now more and more convinced that it has been decided by the "men who hold the strings" that Pakistan needs to be cut down to size and Balochistan is the best way to do that while hurting Iran as well.
A true buffer state cannot have a large swath of land on which to retreat..it needs to have zero strategic depth(The old favorite). With Balochistan gone, you have your Serbia in South Asia.

 

[VCheng]

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I am not more and more convinced that it has been decided by the "men who hold the strings" that Pakistan needs to be cut down to size and Balochistan is the best way to do that while hurting Iran as well................

^^^ "not" more and more convinced or "now" more and more convinced? Please clarify.

 

[Masterio92]

My take is simple: any other state that you refer to as engaging in terrorism as a policy are ready to pay the associated price too. Is Pakistan?

Pakistan's long term interests are better served by renouncing this policy rather than persisting with it, given the present situation and how it is likely to evolve.

What are their limitations and boundaries to reach? Where they will stop? As a result what can be more worrying than antagonist kabul govt and unstable western border? Would you be in peace without Balochistan and Pakhtoonkhwa?

These are layman's views and i see nothing wrong with it.. Beside whatever the current scene we see is may not compeletely the result of what we think. The difficulties that occupations forces facing are mainly due to their misunderstanding of Afghan culture and ethnic favoritism.

 

[VCheng]

What are their limitations and boundaries to reach? Where they will stop? As a result what can be more worrying than antagonist kabul govt and unstable western border? Would you be in peace without Balochistan and Pakhtoonkhwa?

These are layman's views and i see nothing wrong with it.. Beside whatever the current scene we see is may not compeletely the result of what we think. The difficulties that occupations forces facing are mainly due to their misunderstanding of Afghan culture and ethnic favoritism.

I don't understand what you are trying to say here. Please rephrase and clarify. Thanks.

 

[Masterio92]

I don't understand what you are trying to say here. Please rephrase and clarify. Thanks.

Its not your fault. Its always difficult for people to comprehend great minds. joking..
Well i was refering to NATO/US etc as third party in my paragraph.. Anyway i am learning and try to improve my writing skill and i was in illusion of its lucidiy.. but c'mon its 2nd time you dont get across ... its real discouragement for me now...
just ignore it ..

 

[VCheng]

Its not your fault. Its always difficult for people to comprehend great minds. joking..
Well i was refering to NATO/US etc as third party in my paragraph.. Anyway i am learning and try to improve my writing skill and i was in illusion of its lucidiy.. but c'mon its 2nd time you dont get across ... its real discouragement for me now...
just ignore it ..

I remain interested in your point of view, and look forward to your explanation. Please do not be discouraged.

 

[Masterio92]

I remain interested in your point of view, and look forward to your explanation. Please do not be discouraged.

Just try it 3 or 4 times more, i am sure you will get some pearls out of it..

 

[VCheng]

............. As a result what can be more worrying than antagonist kabul govt and unstable western border? ......................

Worrying or not, Pakistan will have to learn to deal with this prospect, and its consequences, as best as it can.