What's brewing in Washington?

[GURU DUTT]

I will refer you again to the OP. I specifically disposed of this terrorism furphy, because I do not believe it will make an iota of difference if Pakistan hands over the entire Haqqani tribe.

Terrorism is a red herring in the great game.



Actually, the topic is how to improve Pak-American relations. Since you claimed to be "at the forefront" of such efforts, it would be useful for the rest of us to know the details.

Sir gustakhee mauf....there are some very ugly & hard Facts here and you since a THINK TANK know them better than most of us,the thing is US/NATO/Saudi's inveted heavilly in this sector for no reason?????

secondly it (this terorrism thing) was just an escuse to fry the bigger fish(supply rout's & trade&oil corridor's from CAR's to arabian sea) now your establishment could have easyly traded OBL for the share of profit but some powerfull player's in the establishment got greedy & in the mean time they missed the BUS????????

now what's happening is that the big brother wants it all as your establishment is busy in infighting & big brother does not think you are trust woethy enof so it has started or say is exploring 'OTHER OPTION'S' now what will heppen is not really very clear..lets see ????????

whta Pakistan can do about to impoov this situation..well
#1: make sure It's stratgic assets in Afghanistan give US/NATO the control .

#2: give acsess to them of there Gadawar & Karachi ports for the rout's till Afghanistan without any check's

#3: make peace with India & open free border trade with India

#4: make it's intereor situation more stable for any worthwile Trade & Commerce+ FDI

 

[Developereo]

How can discussing me be useful? That has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

We are not interested in your personal details, but information about the kinds of actions that Pak-Americans can do to improve the relationship. Since you claimed to be "at the forefront" of such efforts, it would be useful to know what kinds of actions give the best results.

 

[VCheng]

We are not interested in your personal details, but information about the kinds of actions that Pak-Americans can do to improve the relationship. Since you claimed to be "at the forefront" of such efforts, it would be useful to know what kinds of actions give the best results.

Simple: Engage with as many members of Congress as you can, as often as you can. Stay on message. Participate in the election processes, particularly fund raising. Repeat. Rinse. Repeat......

 

[Developereo]

Sir gustakhee mauf....there are some very ugly & hard Facts here and you since a THINK TANK know them better than most of us,the thing is US/NATO/Saudi's inveted heavilly in this sector for no reason?????

secondly it (this terorrism thing) was just an escuse to fry the bigger fish(supply rout's & trade&oil corridor's from CAR's to arabian sea) now your establishment could have easyly traded OBL for the share of profit but some powerfull player's in the establishment got greedy & in the mean time they missed the BUS????????

now what's happening is that the big brother wants it all as your establishment is busy in infighting & big brother does not think you are trust woethy enof so it has started or say is exploring 'OTHER OPTION'S' now what will heppen is not really very clear..lets see ????????

You are right, and I posited this in the OP, that the real game is about resource, CARs, etc. In that context, how would 'trading' OBL make any difference? The Taliban had offered to extradite OBL, but the US refused to 'negotiate with terrorists' because they had decided to put troops in Afghanistan anyway. It wouldn't have mattered what Pakistan did, the Americans were coming and taking over Afghanistan regardless.

whta Pakistan can do about to impoov this situation..well
#1: make sure It's stratgic assets in Afghanistan give US/NATO the control .

#2: give acsess to them of there Gadawar & Karachi ports for the rout's till Afghanistan without any check's

Yes, these would certainly make the US very happy. It's not clear that they are in Pakistan's long term interests.

#3: make peace with India 7 open free border trade with India

#4: make it's intereor ituation more stable for any worthwile Trade & Commerce+ FDI

Leaving 3 aside (maybe yes, maybe no) and 4 is good in it's own right.



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Simple: Engage with as many members of Congress as you can, as often as you can. Stay on message. Participate in the election processes, particularly fund raising. Repeat. Rinse. Repeat......

So the usual generic stuff, then, that applies to all democracries? OK.

 

[GURU DUTT]

You are right, and I posited this in the OP, that the real game is about resource, CARs, etc. In that context, how would 'trading' OBL make any difference? The Taliban had offered to extradite OBL, but the US refused to 'negotiate with terrorists' because they had decided to put troops in Afghanistan anyway. It wouldn't have mattered what Pakistan did, the Americans were coming and taking over Afghanistan regardless.



Yes, these would certainly make the US very happy. It's not clear that they are in Pakistan's long term interests.

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So the usual generic stuff, then, that applies to all democracries? OK.

sir baakee to sab theek hai par bolded part me shayad aap galat hain...??????????

 

[fd24]

So please explain to me why you think Pakistan is an inevitable US "target", and what should Pakistan be doing to get out of being one?

I think the relationship is being held together with a shoestring. We can only speculate and guesstimate what may happen in particular with elections in possibly both nations - we may not see much forthright action from both sides - what we may see is lip service to cool and passify the will of the people.
What is admirable is hoe Developereo has the amazing ability to show such patience when debating of swapping posts with Cheng. His circular arguements which always end up with the infamous "lets just wait and see." Its a never ending story. If you cant define the parameters Mr Cheng it is better not to start getting involved in a debate if you are forever changing the goalposts of the discussion!

Cheng - one of your beloved USA leaders once said something that you ought to absorb and follow -

"It is better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt."

 

[Developereo]

sir baakee to sab theek hai par bolded part me shayad aap galat hain...??????????

Not to get too much off-topic, but this has been discussed elsewhere also. Briefly, the US demanded OBL be given to them; the Taliban demanded evidence of guilt, which the US had none at the time (or wasn't willing to disclose publicly), and so the Taliban offered to extradite him to a neutral Muslim country where he could be tried. The US rejected the offer and invaded.

 

[VCheng]

.................

So the usual generic stuff, then, that applies to all democracries? OK.

Of course. There is no magic formula for shortcuts, if that is what you seek.

Lobbyists are only useful in certain limited circumstances. Broad base sustained influence takes years to build up. The interesting thing is that whatever influence Pakistani diaspora have, it is usually used either for personal gains, or for supporting a particular subset of interests, never the whole country. This is starkly different than diaspora of India. The end results are becoming more and more evident, are they not?

I think the relationship is being held together with a shoestring. .......................

Well, that makes hanging on to it all the more important, doesn't it?

The rest of your rant I will just ignore, for it is irrelevant.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

sir baakee to sab theek hai par bolded part me shayad aap galat hain...??????????

no Dutt gee no,

aamm bhool rahay haan,

the Taliban did offer to send OBL to any country where he was to be tried under the Islamic law. they had two issues

1. OBL had sought refuge
2. under Islamic and Afghan laws they were obliged to look after him.

the ISI chief and Saudi prince who was Saudi security chief went in person to met Mullah Omar, there were other direct and indirect meetings and Taliban in principle had agreed to hand over OBL due to 9/11 atrocity but like so many in the world,

1. they were insisting on evidence
2. they were insisting on Islamic courts because they didnt recognize the western court of justice.

they suggested Saudi Arabia which is a staunch American ally but Mr Bush had blood in his mouth and the world needed to be reminded about the American Military might.

rest is history.

my dear sir these things are conveniently forgotten and taken out of the lime light. do you recall what the US ambassador said when the Iraqi tanks were at the Kuwaiti borders (during first Gulf war? she said America doesnt want to be involved in something which is the internal matter of Iraq and Kuwait (the issue was the drilling for oil near the borders).

if we allow ourselves a little bit of freedom of thought and investigate a little we can find a lot of untold stories and forgotten facts that are kept away from us.