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Happy birthday to my young Jamahiriyan friend!
I wish you a hefty socialist cake and party!!! :partay:


@Armstrong

Here I am at last, available to chat. I'm sorry to have delayed this occasion
to pick up on your latest. I had said to you that I'd be by here yesterday alas ...
a small incident IRL had me too irritated to do so then. I try to keep quiet
when in a foul mood so as to spread the burden and so waited until now.

How is life for you? Are your parents and friends all doing OK? Did you find
that generous soulmate you yearn for? ;) Any good news to share so that
partaking in your happiness can raise our spirits?

I sure hope so! Read you soon, Tay.

Hey, I'm doing alright. How are you mate ? :)

No soul mate yet ! :cry:

What about you ? :azn:
 
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Happy birthday to my young Jamahiriyan friend!
I wish you a hefty socialist cake and party!!! :partay:

thank you, dear friend... nice to get wished from such a respectable and worldly-wise member as yourself. :)

as to your wish for me about the socialist cake, i will translate it into reality by doing some cake eating tomorrow... i hate postponed this for two days but no more !! a tiramisu will be mine to eat tomorrow !!
 
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Very good to hear from the 2 of you! And no, Armstrong but today is R&R so who knows?
I don't expect such a find and yet remain open to the idea ... :azn: We'll see!

Jamahir buddy, did I ever tell you that I made a paper in university about Kaddafi & Jamahiriya?
That came in early '80s and you'll be pleased to know that it was rather positive and well received.

Of course, in the following years, a couple poor choices ( invasion attempt in Chad, support of
terrorism ) darkened that picture as the young revolutionary morphed into a fat cat but the model
he brought forward still has advantages.

Here's to hoping it gets revived some place and some time,
that we may all have our cake and eat it too? :cheers: Tay.
 
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@Mentee bro, just in case u didnt notice. I ve been lurking around for more than 2 years now.:P ( dont go by my post count )
That guy is anything but pro India. All i have seen him doing is continious loathing over anything and everything that relates to our country. Which he calls criticism.
Criticism is ok if its done on a positive note and without any prejudice or religious bias.( mind you, i am not saying all his concerns are baseless )
Ask him if The prgressive socialist crap he propagates everywhere includes an option of difference in opinion backed with a proper logic and reasoning ? Because all he does is " i am always right ".
Endless Bigotry, hypocrisy, double standards. U name it. Thats why most of us dont take him seriously.
Take last two days for example. I ve been asking relevant questions but got nothing from his side.
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@Mentee bro, just in case u didnt notice. I ve been lurking around for more than 2 years now.:P ( dont go by my post count )

that, i knew, 911:buba_phone: ooooooooooooh moderators:D

That guy is anything but pro India. All i have seen him doing is continious loathing over anything and everything that relates to our country. Which he calls criticism.
Criticism is ok if its done on a positive note and without any prejudice or religious bias.( mind you, i am not saying all his concerns are baseless )
Ask him if The prgressive socialist crap he propagates everywhere includes an option of difference in opinion backed with a proper logic and reasoning ? Because all he does is " i am always right ".
Endless Bigotry, hypocrisy, double standards. U name it. Thats why most of us dont take him seriously.
Take last two days for example. I ve been asking relevant questions but got nothing from his side.

listen mate,would like to share my experience regarding @jamahir ----what i found,he is a gem of man:thank_you2: and i mean that
baaki rhi bat daish bhakti ki:mod: sharma g believe you me,he just dont beat around the bush:taz: but he adores his country like the rest of you folks------- you shall have your answers, sooner then later--- as he has confessed in one of his previous posts that now a days he's on a sufi mode-------:astagh:
 
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that, i knew, 911:buba_phone: ooooooooooooh moderators:D



listen mate,would like to share my experience regarding @jamahir ----what i found,he is a gem of man:thank_you2: and i mean that
baaki rhi bat daish bhakti ki:mod: sharma g believe you me,he just dont beat around the bush:taz: but he adores his country like the rest of you folks------- you shall have your answers, sooner then later--- as he has confessed in one of his previous posts that now a days he's on a sufi mode-------:astagh:

I didnt say all his concerns are baseless, did i ?
What he does is highlighting the problem and thats good but what irks me is the repeative nature of these complains no matter how irrelevant they are to the topic in hand that too without a single solution for these problems. Follow his posts on any topic. Same parroted lines.
Being gentle does not equate to being right.
i am very skeptical about his answers actually if u ask me coz i know they wont be practical in any way since i am not the first guy having this argument with him.
He may be a gem as a person for u but as far as i can see ( mostly through his previous posts ) he is a biased bigot ( even i also dont like to beat around bush ) guy and not some sufi or jogi which he claims to be. :)

P.S - who is Sharma G :D ?
 
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@Mentee

4) if no weapon how do u suggest we should protect ourselves in situations like mumbai attack for example. ?

the bombay attack was a terrorist attack and its prevention or removal would have been through a efficient border and internal security system... this is police work, nothing to do with having aircraft carriers or fighter planes or irbm rockets.

the terrorists in the bombay attack came from the sea... was the indian navy, with its israeli anti-ship rockets and german submarine technology, able to stop the terrorists from entering?? :)

why was more money and resources spent on navy ships than on coast guard ships and boats?? why was there no well-equipped police force at the railway station ( 58 people died there and injuries to 104 more )?? why wasn't bombay police able to stop the terrorists from taking control of the hotels?? just simple questions we must ask if we need to improve.

why can't there be a eastern/southern bloc defense agreement where russia and china can provide security to india, pakistan, afghanistan and bangladesh against the nato bloc?? what is the point of south asian countries having huge and expensive militaries when the establishments of these countries have not provided any paradise system to their citizens??

Ok let me say this frist , i am not an economist so my questions are very basic.

but that is the correct path.

with economics, a sensible person must necessarily ask simple and fundamental questions if one wants to achieve a harmonious society... if we complicate our discussions with accounting equations and strange graphs we will keep perpetuating complications and never arrive at solutions.

and there's the more fundamental point that the unnatural and unnecessary money system must be abolished... even at the first step of the resultant effects, imagine the drastic removal of economic and social crimes and injustices !! as a further effect, imagine all those material facilities/necessities that can be opened up or made possible for the majority of the seven billion of this world who earlier were deprived of them just because they didn't have money !! as a continued effect, imagine the lessening of conflicts among countries or factions !!

in a truly civilized humanity, among the things that must be abolished should be economics, meaning abolishing money system.

1) you say almost everything was either free or subsidised in libya. Fair enough. But u must not forget that 95% of libyan economy was based on hydrocabons and mining industry. But in india we dont have that privilage of oil based economy. so how do u propose things to be free or sunsidised ? What will be government's source of income to give freebies or subsidies ?

yes the libyan jamahiriya had oil resources which it employed to full benefit of not only libyans but in exporting its socialism to other countries ( bolivarian venezuela has adopted direct-democracy ) and in supporting freedom movements and socialist movements like nelson mandela's anc and the farc of columbia.

but if libya had oil then india had agriculture, minerals and in recent 20 years the it/services industry.

it was in a socialist writing that i first encountered a fact of the indian economy where despite 50+ percent work-force being employed in agriculture, a major part of india's gdp income comes from the momentary/transitory industry called the it/services industry... this point can be taken to speak of the unscientific and inefficient manner of india's agriculture system.

there are many people in india who for some reason find comfort in triumphantly declaring that india the world's third largest economy... wikipedia page for 'economy of india' says that india is a trillion dollar economy and according to wikipedia page for 'list of countries by gdp ( nominal )'[1], india is 9th in the ranking.

we must ask ourselves how have the grand-sounding income numbers of india been employed for the benefit of the country's citizens and the world?? in the same last list[1], cuba is number 64 in ranking ( vastly lower than india ) according to the uno analysis column, but the same uno through its agency, undp, produces the annual report called 'human development index'[2] and for the same year 2014 ( as with the gdp listing ), cuba is at number 44 in ranking and india is at number 135, meaning cuba's real indicators of human development and comforts are greatly better than those of india.

so a poorer little socialist cuba gives to its citizen greater comforts than the world's third largest economy and extremely capitalist india??

don't you think there is a wrongness in how money and resources are employed in india?? so many things are missing in india, like homes for 70+ million, yet the indian government and the mostly unnecessary military are spending 65,000 crores ( nine billion dollars ) on buying western fighter planes?? how can this be justified?? and to your question about security i answer below.

and let me also say that in the same 2014 hdi report, the war-affected syria is at number 118, meaning that by 2014, syria though torn apart by three years of a huge nato-created proxy war, still was able to promise and deliver welfare services to its citizens !!

2) you say what population has to do with all this. Again since i am no economist but i think higher population means higher requirement of resources. U can not give similar level of facilities to different size of population with similar funds.

3) third largest economy by PPP also has second also has 2nd largest population so my question again is the same as above.

i don't understand this - how can a useless person like mukesh ambani be allowed to construct a 27-storey ugly building ( the world's ugliest probably ) as his personal house in bombay while so many people are homeless or live in slums in the same city??

beyond the simple 'what the hell is this !!' question is why should someone useless like ambani have so much money to waste while many tea estate workers in darjeeling died in 2014 because of hunger because of lack of money to buy food??

creating or not creating a welfare/socialist system is not about population at all... it is about intention of the establishment or of the defenders of the political system... if socialists are accepted as a guides for india's true development they can easily re-allocate, sell and re-deploy resources, money and security forces so that india is removed of social/economic/sociopathic crime, class structure, corruption, inequalities and disharmony.

the ussr was the world's biggest country and despite the need for improvement there that country still offered facilities to its citizens in the 80's that most indians don't have in 2016. :)

I didnt say all his concerns are baseless, did i ?
What he does is highlighting the problem and thats good but what irks me is the repeative nature of these complains no matter how irrelevant they are to the topic in hand that too without a single solution for these problems.

1. my posting in 2014 of gaddafi's solution to kashmir.

2. my posting of a solution for south asia based on rearrangement of south asia on the lines of the direct-democracy system of libya.

3. those other things i mentioned in my previous post here.

Follow his posts on any topic. Same parroted lines.

tell me this... has anything socially and economically changed much in india since 1947??

i am very skeptical about his answers actually if u ask me coz i know they wont be practical in any way since i am not the first guy having this argument with him.

"practical" has no meaning in revolutionary change of society/world and in scientific pursuit... what must be done must be done. :)


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[1] List of countries by GDP (nominal) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[2] 2014 Human Development Report (HDI) | UNDP
 
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I didnt say all his concerns are baseless, did i ?
What he does is highlighting the problem and thats good but what irks me is the repeative nature of these complains no matter how irrelevant they are to the topic in hand that too without a single solution for these problems. Follow his posts on any topic. Same parroted lines.
Being gentle does not equate to being right.
i am very skeptical about his answers actually if u ask me coz i know they wont be practical in any way since i am not the first guy having this argument with him.
He may be a gem as a person for u but as far as i can see ( mostly through his previous posts ) he is a biased bigot ( even i also dont like to beat around bush ) guy and not some sufi or jogi which he claims to be. :)

hmm,quite yudhuk shaitar driven post:butcher:, all i can say my friend---- you are entitled to your opinion:)-but but but---you have been answered, take a deep breath and have a look---------

P.S - who is Sharma G :D ?
to me it has a connotation of a peaceful citizen---(pur aman shehri):sniper: almost every indian seems to me a sharma g:rofl:

"practical" has no meaning in revolutionary politics and in scientific pursuit... what must be done must be done. :)
nailed it:tup:
 
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to me it has a connotation of a peaceful citizen---(pur aman shehri):sniper: almost every indian seems to me a sharma g:rofl:

years back, i thought are people in delhi are either sharma or verma or gupta. :lol:

here is a nice sharma - ankita sharma ( tv actress ), who definitely doesn't is not sharma'ing :

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years back, i thought are people in delhi are either sharma or verma or gupta. :lol:

here is a nice sharma - ankita sharma ( tv actress ), who definitely doesn't is not sharma'ing :

ankita-sharma-latest-90253570.jpg


Ankita%20Sharma%20-%20200_t.jpg


ITotV4v.jpg


212e832c2747b395d195e14346017475_ls_xl.jpg


AnkitaSharma161213.jpg

errrrr-----plz dont qoute me in your ashleel posts----mjhy kharab krna hain kea,toba toba toba:D
 
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@Mentee



the bombay attack was a terrorist attack and its prevention or removal would have been through a efficient border and internal security system... this is police work, nothing to do with having aircraft carriers or fighter planes or irbm rockets.

the terrorists in the bombay attack came from the sea... was the indian navy, with its israeli anti-ship rockets and german submarine technology, able to stop the terrorists from entering?? :)

why was more money and resources spent on navy ships than on coast guard ships and boats?? why was there no well-equipped police force at the railway station ( 58 people died there and injuries to 104 more )?? why wasn't bombay police able to stop the terrorists from taking control of the hotels?? just simple questions we must ask if we need to improve.

why can't there be a eastern/southern bloc defense agreement where russia and china can provide security to india, pakistan, afghanistan and bangladesh against the nato bloc?? what is the point of south asian countries having huge and expensive militaries when the establishments of these countries have not provided any paradise system to their citizens??



but that is the correct path.

with economics, a sensible person must necessarily ask simple and fundamental questions if one wants to achieve a harmonious society... if we complicate our discussions with accounting equations and strange graphs we will keep perpetuating complications and never arrive at solutions.

and there's the more fundamental point that the unnatural and unnecessary money system must be abolished... even at the first step of the resultant effects, imagine the drastic removal of economic and social crimes and injustices !! as a further effect, imagine all those material facilities/necessities that can be opened up or made possible for the majority of the seven billion of this world who earlier were deprived of them just because they didn't have money !! as a continued effect, imagine the lessening of conflicts among countries or factions !!

in a truly civilized humanity, among the things that must be abolished should be economics, meaning abolishing money system.



yes the libyan jamahiriya had oil resources which it employed to full benefit of not only libyans but in exporting its socialism to other countries ( bolivarian venezuela has adopted direct-democracy ) and in supporting freedom movements and socialist movements like nelson mandela's anc and the farc of columbia.

but if libya had oil then india had agriculture, minerals and in recent 20 years the it/services industry.

it was in a socialist writing that i first encountered a fact of the indian economy where despite 50+ percent work-force being employed in agriculture, a major part of india's gdp income comes from the momentary/transitory industry called the it/services industry... this point can be taken to speak of the unscientific and inefficient manner of india's agriculture system.

there are many people in india who for some reason find comfort in triumphantly declaring that india the world's third largest economy... wikipedia page for 'economy of india' says that india is a trillion dollar economy and according to wikipedia page for 'list of countries by gdp ( nominal )'[1], india is 9th in the ranking.

we must ask ourselves how have the grand-sounding income numbers of india been employed for the benefit of the country's citizens and the world?? in the same last list[1], cuba is number 64 in ranking ( vastly lower than india ) according to the uno analysis column, but the same uno through its agency, undp, produces the annual report called 'human development index'[2] and for the same year 2014 ( as with the gdp listing ), cuba is at number 44 in ranking and india is at number 135, meaning cuba's real indicators of human development and comforts are greatly better than those of india.

so a poorer little socialist cuba gives to its citizen greater comforts than the world's third largest economy and extremely capitalist india??

don't you think there is a wrongness in how money and resources are employed in india?? so many things are missing in india, like homes for 70+ million, yet the indian government and the mostly unnecessary military are spending 65,000 crores ( nine billion dollars ) on buying western fighter planes?? how can this be justified?? and to your question about security i answer below.

and let me also say that in the same 2014 hdi report, the war-affected syria is at number 118, meaning that by 2014, syria though torn apart by three years of a huge nato-created proxy war, still was able to promise and deliver welfare services to its citizens !!



i don't understand this - how can a useless person like mukesh ambani be allowed to construct a 27-storey ugly building ( the world's ugliest probably ) as his personal house in bombay while so many people are homeless or live in slums in the same city??

beyond the simple 'what the hell is this !!' question is why should someone useless like ambani have so much money to waste while many tea estate workers in darjeeling died in 2014 because of hunger because of lack of money to buy food??

creating or not creating a welfare/socialist system is not about population at all... it is about intention of the establishment or of the defenders of the political system... if socialists are accepted as a guides for india's true development they can easily re-allocate, sell and re-deploy resources, money and security forces so that india is removed of social/economic/sociopathic crime, class structure, corruption, inequalities and disharmony.

the ussr was the world's biggest country and despite the need for improvement there that country still offered facilities to its citizens in the 80's that most indians don't have in 2016. :)



1. my posting in 2014 of gaddafi's solution to kashmir.

2. my posting of a solution for south asia based on rearrangement of south asia on the lines of the direct-democracy system of libya.

3. those other things i mentioned in my previous post here.



tell me this... has anything socially and economically changed much in india since 1947??



"practical" has no meaning in revolutionary change of society/world and in scientific pursuit... what must be done must be done. :)


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[1] List of countries by GDP (nominal) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[2] 2014 Human Development Report (HDI) | UNDP
Hmm a lenthy and at times contradictory answer.
Let me pick the points one by one.
1) agreed Mumbai was a terrorist attack and was tackled with a very unexpected way ( wont go into details as its a dofferent topic altogether ) and raised question marks on the safety of our searoutes. Now as per you it should have been prevented through prober patrolling. Agreed. I would like to know in detail the preventive measures to be taken to avoid such attack keeping in mind the following things.
a- coastal length of over 7,517 kms.
b - number of boats ( as you said coast gurad should have more boats rather than navy ) required to patrol this vast coastline 24x7 which "practically" is not possible but i am taking your advice of revolutionary ideas.
c- manpower required to operate and maintain these boats.
d-overall cost of these operational boats and manpower.

Your second point is about underequipped police force. I totally agree with u on this point as well. Police should be given proper equipments to deal with situations like these.
Since the terrorists activities can take place anywhere in India so i believe police throughout india should be given equal equipments both quantity and qualitywise.
Now i would like to know from how much would it cost to:-
a - equip every policemen with proper weapons
b- to train these policemen for xcenarios like these.
c- maintain these weapons and equipments.

Your third point of a defence pact with Russia and china is more of a wet dream. So i would refrain from commenting on it.

Your fourth point about abolishing money system.
Tell me what do you want to replace it with In India ?
How compatible this new system would be with the existing money sytem. Since others would still be following it.
Why money system wasnt abolished in "revolutionary" cuba or libya ? Was it because of its non practicality ?

Your fifth point about agriculture in India. Point taken again but Can you please elaborate on following points.
What amount of of manpower and investment is required to generate the same revenue as hydrocarbons industry ?
How much money is requied to bring agriculture at the same industrial level as of the potroleum industry ?

Yoursixth point about buying useless planes. I agree with that also but tell me how would you
- protect yourself against massive Chinese airforce and little but annoying pak airforce ( @Mentee dont u dare jump with all ur guns blazing on me for calling PAF annoying and small ) because whether we like it not they are a reality so is their threat perception.

Your seventh point about ambanis is again blabbering and not worth answering.

Your point about direct democracy sounds tempting however i would like to know.
How direct democracy will be implemented throughout India with such a large
-landmass
-population
-cultural and religious diversity.
How will you ensure the accountability for such system?
What amount of manpower will be required to ensure the system runs smoothly and efficiently without hurting the religious or cultural sentiments of anyone ( going bu your insaniyat wala logic ).


P.S - answer every point in context of revolutionary policies and not practicality since both dont go hand in hand.
:)


Cant believe i am writing all this even though i know what ill get in return will be more of fairytales.
 
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