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Anjaam se ager jo daar hota humai
tu yuh dushman ki tareef na kerte

teri dosti ki khatir aye dushman ..
hum yun dar ko bhi gale laga lete

anjaam se dare warna jaan ko hoga khatra
banaaya kisi dushman ko dost.... toh shayad aap ban jaye bali ka bakra... :P

(i know this is terrible shayaari :lol: )

Itni buri shayari padhi,nikal gaya dum.
Ina meena dika,tararum pum pum ,tararum pum pum
I know I know shyaari nahi aati hume
ur shayaari is also equally bad, shayaari aati nahi tumhe 8-)8-)
 
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advise accepted. :-)

though i made final goodbyes here ( Merry Christmas ),


convert the socialist jamahir?? convert the student of the imaam of all muslims?? :nono:



yours a dirty mind... :agree:
no not the socialist jamahir... but creepy crawly jamahir, who is too much frustrated on india and indians... what socialism hv you done till now... hw many initiative have you taken to bridge the gap between poor and rich..:D


dirty mind... betaji.. sab samaj me aa raha hai... yaha...;)
 
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no not the socialist jamahir... but creepy crawly jamahir, who is too much frustrated on india and indians... what socialism hv you done till now... hw many initiative have you taken to bridge the gap between poor and rich..:D


dirty mind... betaji.. sab samaj me aa raha hai... yaha...;)
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anjaam se dare warna jaan ko hoga khatra
banaaya kisi dushman ko dost.... toh shayad aap ban jaye bali ka bakra... :P

(i know this is terrible shayaari :lol: )


I know I know shyaari nahi aati hume
ur shayaari is also equally bad, shayaari aati nahi tumhe 8-)8-)

Khatroon se na daraao, mai in ka aadi hun
shayed apko pata nai main PDF pe Khatroon ka khiladi hun 8-)
 
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anjaam se dare warna jaan ko hoga khatra
banaaya kisi dushman ko dost.... toh shayad aap ban jaye bali ka bakra... :P

(i know this is terrible shayaari :lol: )


I know I know shyaari nahi aati hume
ur shayaari is also equally bad, shayaari aati nahi tumhe 8-)8-)

Dekho subah subah ek kaua gata hai
Likha to paper par essay bhi hai jata hai
Kuch alag karne ke liye thodi to akal lagao
Ek Achee sher ke liye,Kamsekum aakhri word to rhyme karao :yahoo::yahoo:

Khatroon se na daraao, mai in ka aadi hun
shayed apko pata nai main PDF pe Khatroon ka khiladi hun 8-)


Bada nasamajh hai tu,jo khatron se nahi darta
eent ke midan mein khamba yuh hi nahi gadta
Time pass karne ke liye hum sheikhiya phekte hai
Khatroon se to pdf pe chachaji, bachhe bhi khelte hain:partay:
 
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@Desert Fox

I am sorry for the late response, I just recently gave & received the results for my IELTS exam & am still somewhat busy with other activities.

Since there is no point in discussing the full topic anymore, I will just respond to some parts of the post. I am shifting the response to this thread because the other thread has been dead for quite a while.
Its all good. I was in a similar situation.

In any case, your discussion on the Holocaust in the other thread was very interesting. I learnt quite a bit from it, even though I still have some doubts & confusions pertaining to the facts regarding the holocaust.

I shall continue to follow that thread to learn whatever I can, & the fact that both perspectives are being put forward there will be useful for understanding the various facts, myths, & points of view on this subject.
Yeah, it really is a interesting subject, though you would have to look into it on your own initiative since it requires an interest on ones own part. I could provide you some links if you need.




Yeah, I have been a bit too lazy to read that book due to some other activities, but I will try and make some time for it soon.
No rush, whenever you have the time


Thanks for the links.
No problem!



I know some of the basics of Islamic economic jurisprudence, & it includes things like discouraging hoarding of resources in times of speculation, welfare, etc. This model in particular states that God is the sole owner of everything on Earth, & man being His vicegerent is thus allowed to hold property in trust. All natural resources including water, mines, et cetera are considered government property & private owners have no right to them. This is meant to ensure that private owners do not withhold supplies to resources everyone in the community has a right to attain. Of course, private property in the form of land, businesses, et cetera exists & may be owned by individuals too. Capitalism in its early form existed within the Caliphate, & traders & entrepreneurs were free to innovate & compete with each other by attempting to gain a competitive advantage. Keep in mind that Islam prohibits monopolies, oligarchies or the formation of any other cartel to prevent social injustice. Patents are allowed provided that the patented idea is actually put to use, & this basically means that it’s forbidden for an organisation to patent an innovation & then not make use of that innovation in their products or services to serve society. This implies that if someone else were to come up with the same idea, you would be forbidden to demand royalties simply because you have had an innovation patented without practice.

Of course, I am not entirely sure of Islamic economic jurisprudence’s views on how to handle the formation of a monopoly via competitive advantage. This economic model somewhat encourages the free flow of information so activities like buying & selling between 2 parties alone is discouraged. The monetary & fiscal policy is similar to other economic theories so there isn't much to note there. The government may also give benefits to startup businesses or new entrepreneurs similar to other economic theories. I am somewhat confused regarding interests & the time value of money when it comes to Islamic banking & I haven’t read up on that in lots of detail either. Implementing such a model would be extremely difficult in a country like Pakistan, considering the fact that our politicians themselves desire to monopolise businesses for the sake of their own families. Let’s not forget that feudalism still exists in Pakistan & influential Landlords still control the use of some agricultural land & resources; a practice forbidden by Islamic jurisprudence. There are a number of problems to resolve before this concept could be applied in Pakistan assuming people consider it a good idea in the first place.

Interesting. This system sounds to good to be implemented in any Muslim country today due to many faults of Muslims themselves, as you yourself provided examples of in Pakistan like selfishness and greed pf influential Pakistanis and the existence of feudalism in Pakistan.



Yeah, the cultures originating from Germanic expansion are among the most influential in Europe. In fact, Europe as we know it today would not exist without the Greeks, Romans, & the Germanic tribes. It's true that Germany turned out to be quite impressive later on, & let's not forget the role the Germanic people played in defending Europe during the Medieval Age. Personally, I feel that Rome has historically had more influence on Europe overall when we take Christianity, the Romance languages, representative democracy, et cetera in to consideration. Furthermore, the Italian Renaissance, which in itself required recovering the lost Roman knowledge, would later become the source of inspiration for the German Renaissance. Of course, the Germans made heavy contributions to philosophy, architecture, & the natural sciences during this period too. The distinctive feature of the German Renaissance is that while its basis may have been in Italy, the Germans were able to benefit from it without overriding or corrupting their own culture & values.
Yeah, what you stated is accurate from what i remember reading and learning of that period in European history. I'm not too knowledgeable on that particular era, i have forgotten most of what i knew, though i am familiar with a few things here and there. My main strength revolves around WW2 but even that subject i cannot say i am 100% knowledgeable on, and really no one is. There is always new information coming out regarding many major historical periods.



I agree, while the human mind has a remarkable ability to get used to pretty much all sorts of circumstances, brutality will always be tragic & regrettable. Interestingly, brutality during sporting events isn’t entirely native to Roman culture, but is something adopted from living with the Etruscans in the past. The Etruscans were extremely fond of violence, & their funeral rites even include death of a deceased’s slaves, which may include getting the slaves to battle each other until death.
Interesting. Sounds similar to the hindu practice of sattii though in that case there weren't male slaves being put to death/fighting each other to death, rather the wife of the deceased husband.
 
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pdf has become as pointless place for nationalistic obscenity and religion/psuedo-religion stupidities... it has also become a gathering for terrorist supporters ( people like hazzy and thrax )... there are others like zarvan and sarthak.
Jamahir all of the members you've mentioned (Hazzy,Zarvan bhai and Sarthak) 're nothing but brusque. They 're blunt yet very sweet ppl to interact with. And we must understand that they're younger and would always 've a tendency to assail an opinion that is different from theirs.Zarvan I guess is just 20yr old while hazzy and Sarthak 're also in early 20s.
This forum is full of guys ....and guys 're known to be innately blunt ,just as much blunt as you're :), the only difference is that you sound a lil more different than 'em and that there 're not many supporters of socialism on this forum(not even me :) )
in truth, i do not enjoy interactions with most indian members...
Oh come on...most of 'em prefer a tit for tat approach, if you 'll be blunt in expressing your opinion about a religion then they'll accord you the same treatment. :-)
How can you NOT expect 'em to be frank when you can be frank in your opinion??? :-)
and how many times can one keep refuting lies about the syria war and about libya and russia and cuba and venezuela and north korea.
Oh hoo
You must understand that your views wont have many takers here, for your opinion is contrary to the popular belief. Frankly even I was shocked at what you 'd to say about Syria. o_O
where pdf should have used its transnational platform, there are corners for nationalities... iran corner, turkic corner, arab corner, kerala corner, bengali corner, karnataka corner, haryanvi corner, assami corner... this is undemocratic, divisive.
Not many of the pdf members live in a democracy , and that includes me.:rolleyes:
i thought of using pdf as a platform for a off-line socialist movement... but most members are pathetic teenagers who will not say one angry word against their parents leave alone participate in a world political movement... most here are cowards and anti-democratics.
I 've had my share of fights with so called teenagers and then I realised that I was as obdurate as 'em at their age or may be even worse. I've learnt to excuse 'em and get over it ,though it takes quite some time, but many of my good frens now (including solar65,alhasani,sreekumar,abingdonboy and many more ) 're all ppl wid whom i had picked up a fight in the beginning. And am glad that we all got over it , I'm sure it has taken efforts from both sides to kill our hubris.:yes4:

though there 're still some members whom I hate to see in the eye, it might take some more time to forget what they had said to me or may be not,I can not forget how I was abused by some members on and off this forum.I hate those who make personal attacks and its wid such ppl that I can never mend my relations...thats for my own good. :)
how can one declare oneself as educated yet support "honor killing" ( like sreekumar and some haryanvis ) or support the beheadings and cuttings in syria done by the dogs of nato, the fsa/ikhwaan/taliban... ( like hazzy, thrax, sinan, rmi ).
there are insane members like wolfshanzze who calls female-infanticided foetuses as "biological waste"... and these foetuses have been fed to dogs... he laughs at people in bangalore who have been killed by gang of seven to ten dogs... why is wolfschanzze allowed to post his anti-human words.

Frankly these 're all very sane members.I dont know in what context they said such a thing. So I can not comment about it
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i used to enjoy the postings of ajtr... and she was banned for some reason while fools stay on.
Oh gaawd!
Ajtr was a very sharp tongued lady. I was not around when she was active on this forum, but I've read some of her posts here and on another forum. I found her very blunt and convoluted. :ph34r:
what is the point of me being here?? i post longs posts... it takes effort... i am the only hardcore socialist on pdf and i tried to make people look beyond the nationalities their parents gave them... i tried to educate them... but my efforts are generally
If somebody in the 18th century had suggested that ppl would be flying in planes and jets then do you think ppl around him would 've taken him seriously??? :unsure:
May be you 're an evolved being who can think beyond nationalism and religion but there're many like me on the forum who 're nationalist and rightist( I'm mostly a mugwump though :-) )
a few people i have enjoyed interacting with... maybe we can form a group elsewhere, like skype like you were suggesting...
Enhh???
I'm sure i have never suggested a skype group.:disagree: I'm sure about it.:agree:
I interact with a few outside pdf through an FB id (which was created only for gossiping purpose bcoz you see most of what we talk on this forum gets filtered :D )
frankly i have felt that most of them members here 're very intelligent (except me)and this I've concluded from my on and off the forum conversations with them.
The xenophobia they show on the forum is nothing but a pretence. Most of them 're sane and sweet ppl , also friendly and helpful.
Trust me!!!

i myself have a plan to start a site soon, once i arrange some money - my computing project, political ideas, agricultural ideas
Great!!!
All the best :)

And lets not take this internet life so seriously, its just a forum after all . I'm sure over a period of time you'll make more frens here and members would understand your POV better.
I know that sounds cliche but still you can try it. :-)
 
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Guru dev.... long time !!!
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I just meant that we do 've raucous members but otherwise most of 'em 're friendly.
@jamahir dont leave please. we would love to have your anti hindu views.
 
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