What we have achieved in the last 75 years?

[HAIDER]

We have so much heated debate over media and forums about PTI/Imran Khan's political sins.
55 years of Military rule and why we failed to achieve economic prosperity.....

No prime minister has completed a full five-year tenure in Pakistan's 75-year history - a trend extended with the ouster of Imran Khan, who lost a no-confidence vote on Sunday.

Up until that point, Pakistan, a parliamentary democracy for most of its history, has had a total of 29 prime ministers since 1947 - one of whom took on the role twice in one year.

On 18 occasions, they have been removed on different pretexts, including corruption charges, direct military coups and forced resignations due to infighting in ruling groups. There was one assassination.


The remaining premiers held the position for a limited time as caretakers to oversee fresh elections or to see out a dismissed premier's tenure.

The year 1993 was particularly fraught, with five changes in the premiership.

The shortest tenure for a prime minister is two weeks, while the longest is four years and two months.

Mian Muhammad Nawaz Sharif has been elected prime minister three times - in 1990, 1997 and 2013 - the most for a single candidate.

Following is a list of prime ministers whose tenures ended prematurely since 1947. It does not include caretaker premiers or those who completed another prime minister's term:

- Liaquat Ali Khan. Pakistan's first prime minister. Took office in August 1947. He was assassinated at a political rally on Oct. 16, 1951.

Tenure: Four years and two months.

- Khawaja Nazimuddin. Took office on Oct. 17, 1951. He was dismissed on April 17, 1953, by the country's governor general - a powerful position inherited from British colonial rule - on charges of mismanaging religious riots.

Tenure: One year and six months.

- Muhammad Ali Bogra. Took office April 17, 1953. Resigned on Aug. 11, 1955.

Tenure: Two years and three months.

- Chaudhri Mohammad Ali. Took office in August 1955. Internal differences in the ruling party led to his ouster on Sept. 12, 1956.

Tenure: One year and one month.

- Hussain Shaheed Suhrawardy. Took office on Sept. 12, 1956. Forced from office after differences with other power centres on Oct. 18, 1957.

Tenure: One year and one month.

- Ibrahim Ismail Chundrigar. Took office in October 1957. Resigned on Dec. 16, 1957, faced with a no-confidence vote in parliament.

Tenure: Less than two months.

- Malik Feroz Khan Noon. Took office Dec. 16, 1957. Dismissed due to the imposition of martial law in Pakistan on Oct. 7, 1958.

Tenure: Less than 10 months.

- Noorul Amin. Took office Dec. 7, 1971. Left office on Dec. 20, 1971, shortly after the secession of Bangladesh from Pakistan.

Tenure: Less than two weeks.

Zulfikar Ali Bhutto. Took office on Aug. 14, 1973. He was overthrown by a military coup on July 5, 1977, and eventually jailed and executed.

Tenure: Three years and 11 months.

- Muhammad Khan Junejo. Took office in March 1985. He was dismissed on May 29, 1988, by the military chief who was also the president.

Tenure: Three years and two months.

- Benazir Bhutto. Daughter of premier Zulfikar Ali Bhutto and the first woman leader of a Muslim nation. Took office on Dec. 2, 1988. Her government was dismissed on Aug. 6, 1990, by the president, a close aid of the deceased military ruler, on charges of corruption.

Tenure: One year and eight months.

It would be the first of three governments dismissed on similar charges using the sweeping powers of the president.

- Mian Muhammad Nawaz Sharif. Took office Nov. 6, 1990. His government was also dismissed by the president on similar charges to Bhutto on April 18, 1993.

He was able to get the decision overturned by the courts a few weeks later and returned to office, but resigned again after differences with the military.

Total tenure: Two years and seven months.

- Benazir Bhutto. Returned to power for her second tenure in Oct. 19, 1993. Was dismissed by the president once again on charges of misgovernance on Nov. 5, 1996.

Tenure: Just over three years.

- Nawaz Sharif. Came to power a second time on Feb. 17, 1997. Overthrown by a military coup - the third in Pakistan's history - on Oct. 12, 1999.

Tenure: Two years and eight months.

- Mir Zafarullah Khan Jamali. Elected prime minister during military rule in November 2002. He resigned after differences with the military on June 26, 2004.

Tenure: One year and seven months.

- Yousaf Raza Gilani. Elected prime minister on March 25, 2008. He was disqualified by the Supreme Court of Pakistan in 2012 on charges of "contempt of court".

Tenure: Four years and one month.

- Nawaz Sharif. Elected prime minister for a third time on June 5, 2013. He was dismissed by the Supreme Court of Pakistan on charges of concealing assets on July 28, 2017.

Tenure: Four years and two months.

Imran Khan 3 1/2 years - regime change operation through the vote of no confidence with the help of the establishment.

 

[epebble]

We have so much heated debate over media and forums about PTI/Imran Khan's political sins.
55 years of Military rule and why we failed to achieve economic prosperity.....

No prime minister has completed a full five-year tenure in Pakistan's 75-year history - a trend extended with the ouster of Imran Khan, who lost a no-confidence vote on Sunday.

Up until that point, Pakistan, a parliamentary democracy for most of its history, has had a total of 29 prime ministers since 1947 - one of whom took on the role twice in one year.

On 18 occasions, they have been removed on different pretexts, including corruption charges, direct military coups and forced resignations due to infighting in ruling groups. There was one assassination.


The remaining premiers held the position for a limited time as caretakers to oversee fresh elections or to see out a dismissed premier's tenure.

The year 1993 was particularly fraught, with five changes in the premiership.

The shortest tenure for a prime minister is two weeks, while the longest is four years and two months.

Mian Muhammad Nawaz Sharif has been elected prime minister three times - in 1990, 1997 and 2013 - the most for a single candidate.

Following is a list of prime ministers whose tenures ended prematurely since 1947. It does not include caretaker premiers or those who completed another prime minister's term:

- Liaquat Ali Khan. Pakistan's first prime minister. Took office in August 1947. He was assassinated at a political rally on Oct. 16, 1951.

Tenure: Four years and two months.

- Khawaja Nazimuddin. Took office on Oct. 17, 1951. He was dismissed on April 17, 1953, by the country's governor general - a powerful position inherited from British colonial rule - on charges of mismanaging religious riots.

Tenure: One year and six months.

- Muhammad Ali Bogra. Took office April 17, 1953. Resigned on Aug. 11, 1955.

Tenure: Two years and three months.

- Chaudhri Mohammad Ali. Took office in August 1955. Internal differences in the ruling party led to his ouster on Sept. 12, 1956.

Tenure: One year and one month.

- Hussain Shaheed Suhrawardy. Took office on Sept. 12, 1956. Forced from office after differences with other power centres on Oct. 18, 1957.

Tenure: One year and one month.

- Ibrahim Ismail Chundrigar. Took office in October 1957. Resigned on Dec. 16, 1957, faced with a no-confidence vote in parliament.

Tenure: Less than two months.

- Malik Feroz Khan Noon. Took office Dec. 16, 1957. Dismissed due to the imposition of martial law in Pakistan on Oct. 7, 1958.

Tenure: Less than 10 months.

- Noorul Amin. Took office Dec. 7, 1971. Left office on Dec. 20, 1971, shortly after the secession of Bangladesh from Pakistan.

Tenure: Less than two weeks.

Zulfikar Ali Bhutto. Took office on Aug. 14, 1973. He was overthrown by a military coup on July 5, 1977, and eventually jailed and executed.

Tenure: Three years and 11 months.

- Muhammad Khan Junejo. Took office in March 1985. He was dismissed on May 29, 1988, by the military chief who was also the president.

Tenure: Three years and two months.

- Benazir Bhutto. Daughter of premier Zulfikar Ali Bhutto and the first woman leader of a Muslim nation. Took office on Dec. 2, 1988. Her government was dismissed on Aug. 6, 1990, by the president, a close aid of the deceased military ruler, on charges of corruption.

Tenure: One year and eight months.

It would be the first of three governments dismissed on similar charges using the sweeping powers of the president.

- Mian Muhammad Nawaz Sharif. Took office Nov. 6, 1990. His government was also dismissed by the president on similar charges to Bhutto on April 18, 1993.

He was able to get the decision overturned by the courts a few weeks later and returned to office, but resigned again after differences with the military.

Total tenure: Two years and seven months.

- Benazir Bhutto. Returned to power for her second tenure in Oct. 19, 1993. Was dismissed by the president once again on charges of misgovernance on Nov. 5, 1996.

Tenure: Just over three years.

- Nawaz Sharif. Came to power a second time on Feb. 17, 1997. Overthrown by a military coup - the third in Pakistan's history - on Oct. 12, 1999.

Tenure: Two years and eight months.

- Mir Zafarullah Khan Jamali. Elected prime minister during military rule in November 2002. He resigned after differences with the military on June 26, 2004.

Tenure: One year and seven months.

- Yousaf Raza Gilani. Elected prime minister on March 25, 2008. He was disqualified by the Supreme Court of Pakistan in 2012 on charges of "contempt of court".

Tenure: Four years and one month.

- Nawaz Sharif. Elected prime minister for a third time on June 5, 2013. He was dismissed by the Supreme Court of Pakistan on charges of concealing assets on July 28, 2017.

Tenure: Four years and two months.

Imran Khan 3 1/2 years - regime change operation through the vote of no confidence with the help of the establishment.

Italy has had many prime ministers. About 40 in the last 80 years. But they have done fairly well.
South Korea has gone through as many changes and quite a bit of political turmoil. But has done well
Spain had its convulsions but has managed to do well though not spectacularly.

Political instability has been a problem in Pakistan but not all blame can be placed at its feet. Root of the problem is, from its early days, Pakistan's leaders preferred to cast the country as a rent seeking nation rather than investing in the people so that they become productive citizens. All leaders of Pakistan obsessed over 'Pakistan's strategic location' and how to milk it than improving the skills of its citizens. The buzzword was Crossroads and not Human Development.The previous National Security Advisor, Moeed Yusuf, after suddenly discovering that there won't be any free money after the end of Afghanistan war invented a new buzz word: 'Geo-economics' and started advocating a change of direction from Geo-politics.

 

[HAIDER]

Italy has had many prime ministers. About 40 in the last 80 years. But they have done fairly well.
South Korea has gone through as many changes and quite a bit of political turmoil. But has done well
Spain had its convulsions but has managed to do well though not spectacularly.

Political instability has been a problem in Pakistan but not all blame can be placed at its feet. Root of the problem is, from its early days, Pakistan's leaders preferred to cast the country as a rent seeking nation rather than investing in the people so that they become productive citizens. All leaders of Pakistan obsessed over 'Pakistan's strategic location' and how to milk it than improving the skills of its citizens. The buzzword was Crossroads and not Human Development.The previous National Security Advisor, Moeed Yusuf, after suddenly discovering that there won't be any free money after the end of Afghanistan war invented a new buzz word: 'Geo-economics' and started advocating a change of direction from Geo-politics.

As long as a political party ejects another political party without outside interference. Italian judicial and social network is very strong. A govt is not run by money launderers or they have foreign accounts. Italian can t be compared with the Pakistani govt.

 

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As long as a political party ejects another political party without outside interference. Italian judicial and social network is very strong. A govt is not run by money launderers or they have foreign accounts. Italian can t be compared with the Pakistani govt.

South Korea and Spain have also had their Game of Thrones not very different from Pakistan's. You may judge Pakistan's politics harshly, but in the scheme of 200 nations, it does not rate at the bottom, not by a long shot.

 

[General Dong]

DHAs. That is what we achieved.

 

[CivilianSupremacy]

South Korea and Spain have also had their Game of Thrones not very different from Pakistan's. You may judge Pakistan's politics harshly, but in the scheme of 200 nations, it does not rate at the bottom, not by a long shot.

All progressive countries have eventually tamed their militaries.

If you directly rule the country through marshal laws and for the rest of period you rule indirectly with all the strings in your hand then there is no possible way that country can progress. Military is not designed to govern the nation. Militaries are designed to capture the countries (other countries normally not your own).

Just look up top 30 economies of the world. You will not see a country where military is in charge. No country can ever progress that gets captured by its own military. The brute force should never be involved in political decisions, economic decisions or anything else. Their only job is to safe guard borders or save lives of your countrymen if called upon (such as natural calamity ).

 

[Catalystic]

Pakistan…..

75 saal se Sari duniya iske pichay pari hui ha. Became a nuclear power despite all odds. Managed to get a brave powerful military which is surprising in itself.

Waqai iss mulk ko Allah swt ne he qaim rakha huwa ha, werna hamary corrupt loagon ne koi qasr nahi chori isko tabah kerne ki….only Allah swt can fix it from here in, from the bottom of despair and hopelessness.
Allah rehem keray

 

[Silverblaze]

All progressive countries have eventually tamed their militaries.

If you directly rule the country through marshal laws and for the rest of period you rule indirectly with all the strings in your hand then there is no possible way that country can progress. Military is not designed to govern the nation. Militaries are designed to capture the countries (other countries normally not your own).

Just look up top 30 economies of the world. You will not see a country where military is in charge. No country can ever progress that gets captured by its own military. The brute force should never be involved in political decisions, economic decisions or anything else. Their only job is to safe guard borders or save lives of your countrymen if called upon (such as natural calamity ).

Allow me to disagree. The issue is corruption. South Korea, Thailand, Vietnam, Taiwan all have had military govts who actually made them asian tigers.

Of course these countries are still corrupt but there is rule of law and the military establishment is not free to be above the law. Pakistan is at another level. The magnitude of corruption is so great within every institution that nothing gets done.

We couldnt build dams, we could not stop smuggling, we could not even do basic reforms like police reforms of 1861 and others because the establishment never wanted to be brought under the law. Pakistan's system's reality is being exposed that it is a highly corrupt system that rivals that of Nigeria.

 

[xyxmt]

Italy has had many prime ministers. About 40 in the last 80 years. But they have done fairly well.
South Korea has gone through as many changes and quite a bit of political turmoil. But has done well
Spain had its convulsions but has managed to do well though not spectacularly.

Political instability has been a problem in Pakistan but not all blame can be placed at its feet. Root of the problem is, from its early days, Pakistan's leaders preferred to cast the country as a rent seeking nation rather than investing in the people so that they become productive citizens. All leaders of Pakistan obsessed over 'Pakistan's strategic location' and how to milk it than improving the skills of its citizens. The buzzword was Crossroads and not Human Development.The previous National Security Advisor, Moeed Yusuf, after suddenly discovering that there won't be any free money after the end of Afghanistan war invented a new buzz word: 'Geo-economics' and started advocating a change of direction from Geo-politics.

who removed so many Italian prime minister?
who in Italy calls Judges to make arranged judgements.
who in Italy record videos of politicians, judges and industrialists and blackmails them?
who in Italy calls prime minister and asks him to appointments including the CM, election comission and IGs

 

[epebble]

who removed so many Italian prime minister?

Italy's parliament exercises strong power (over the government). This arrangement is intentionally designed to keep the Prime Minister weak. This is to prevent the rise of a charismatic leader like Mussolini. This is what is happening in U.K. for the past 6 years and happened in Pakistan in April leading to so much innuendo. Weak and ineffective PMs get discarded in Parliaments where the ruling coalition is delicately balanced (Looking at you, Israel).

 

[SQ8]

Pasoori!
You have achieved Pasoori

 

[Catalystic]

Hey at least our awam is conditioned to survive without gas/bijli for many hrs at a time.

Try getting a brit or american to live without that fir few hrs, lol they will go nuts

 

[SIPRA]

Answer to the title of the thread:

"Phull", but "Ph" to be replaced with "L",

 

[Olympus81]

Well atleast we can see the results of our Ivy league MBA graduates, meticulous planners, aka Duffers project panning out.

 

[Kompromat]

In 70 years, we have achieved independence, cohesion, deterrence, common language, connected a ruggid country with infrastructure enabling relationships and trade between people, we've scored victories and faced tragedies. We've 175m youth, rapidly emerging 3rd fastest growing middle class in the world, a geostrategic location and a common sense of purpose.

The current political crisis is between the elite and the middle class and for the first time, the elite is on the retreat. Although too much is left unsaid, i feel that Pakistan's golden days are coming. We have solved many statehood riddles, many countries haven't even touched yet. I believe this riddle is the final one.