What twin engine Jet Fighter Suits PAF Doctrine?

[Blue Marlin]

What it has anything to do with weapon aqusations of India & Pakistan ?
Its a known factor that they both were ridding different horses ?
Let's say , did Russia asked Pakistan any deal when they , were about to sale their , SU -30s ? I think its after all ?

god help you

 

[Falcon26]

For USof A , Whatever they have given us ,, its been found in Chinese hands ,, F-16s are not their prime fighters anymore , so its on every new years sale since late 80s , & some times its been used as lollipop?
But F-15s & F18s are thier , prime machines the real battle fighters , they won't give it to Pakistan to be copied by China , as their stingers in late 80s ?
Its not money ,, its about military domination ?


Wake up , amed your research , & check Pakistan was under sanctions more then India before kargill war & after nuclear tests ?

That's totally unsubstantiated and random claim. The United States has never officially or unofficially ever complained Pakistan has sent its equipment to China to be copied. If that was the case, AMRAAMs, AH-1Z gunships and other high-end gadgets wouldn't have been released to Pakistan. US defense sales already come with stringent end user agreements that the Americans are confident will work as designed. The same conditions that are placed on the F-16 C/D can be put on future F-15/F-18 sales.

The only reason, in my view, the US won't release equipment to Pakistan is if they disturb the current military balance in South Asia. That's why AH-1Z were released to Pakistan only after India paid billions to acquire the Apache helicopters.

Despite serving different roles, I refuse to believe that the technological gap is so vast between F-16 C/D & F-15/F-18s that the US will be too sensitive about releasing these equipment to Pakistan.

 

[Saquib]

PAF should fund research and development in a twin engine Thunder?

 

[batmannow]

That's totally unsubstantiated and random claim. The United States has never officially or unofficially ever complained Pakistan has sent its equipment to China to be copied. If that was the case, AMRAAMs, AH-1Z gunships and other high-end gadgets wouldn't have been released to Pakistan. US defense sales already come with stringent end user agreements that the Americans are confident will work as designed. The same conditions that are placed on the F-16 C/D can be put on future F-15/F-18 sales.

The only reason, in my view, the US won't release equipment to Pakistan is if they disturb the current military balance in South Asia. That's why AH-1Z were released to Pakistan only after India paid billions to acquire the Apache helicopters.

Despite serving different roles, I refuse to believe that the technological gap is so vast between F-16 C/D & F-15/F-18s that the US will be too sensitive about releasing these equipment to Pakistan.

u are obliged to your mind ?
no problems on that , the brains in pentagon are keen to keep their technology in their hands ?
they did a civil nuclear deal with india did they ask any permissions from pakistan ?
or did they offer us the same deal ?
why not ?
for them , India is a long term asset which they can use if the need comes into action ?
which only means going hot against China or pakistan ?
its a open secret, that if any time in future , china & America confront each other , India will taking part of that deadly assult?

USA sell anything with a lot of aims & objectives in their minds , they wanted pakistan act against tailban's that's why they gave us ,cobras it's nothing with their sell of apacheS to India ?
they want to establish india the power against China ?
for them pakistanS friendship & ties with China can produce a JF thunder , they are not willing to make it super thunder F19 if pakistan has any chance to get their hands F-15s or F-18s ?
you should study frist , the technological gap between them frist then , brushing them in same catalog ?
for their long term military plans it all matters , btw they never sold any high end gadget to pakistan , F-16s cobras not fall into high end gadget catagory to US .
china +russia +Iran are their future opponents , & they think pakistan will follow China in that equation in the future .

god help you

god must help you , friend to understand that everything in this world not exists because of India ?lolxx

What twin engine Jet Fighter Suits PAF Doctrine?

Till 2018-2020: None, None, None.
After 2018-2020: J-31 or J-20 according to need and financials.

we live in a ever changing world , every need comes with some reactions ?
If today America just tell pakistan , that they are not willing to give more F-16S then you would be watching , any russian or Chinese twin engine fighter jets buzzing over your head ?

 

[Super Falcon]

SU 35 suits PAF what it lacks a powerfull punch to knock the enemy down

 

[Silicon0000]

we live in a ever changing world , every need comes with some reactions ?
If today America just tell pakistan , that they are not willing to give more F-16S then you would be watching , any russian or Chinese twin engine fighter jets buzzing over your head ?

JF-17 already buzzing. What I am saying no need of twin right now or in near future because of Pakistan's Defensive doctrine which focus on defending our lands. We can't win a conventional war with india. For deep strike currently Pakistan should focus on better missiles instead of twin engine jets. Twin engine won't make it possible to go deep inside india with india's multiple defence layer and do strike and come back but a stealthy and maneuvering multi warhead missile do provide better chance of deep strike inside india against these defensive layers. Twin engine jet make sense with 5th gen tech.

 

[MastanKhan]

You are getting funny , now !
If its stupid tactic by Russian defence officials then they should have asked Pakistan in past at least 10 times ?

about getting , su-27 ,mig-27 ,mig-29, mig25, & su-30 ?

Please stop , your one eyed theories to make yourself happy , on the top of Pakistan is flying its home made , thunders on Russian engines ?lolzz
Accept the reality ?


Strong economy comes with , strong defence , countries without strong defence even having strong economies are reluctant on others to help them in any case of security matters , which make them slave to the ones with stronger defences ?
Japan & Germany are great examples , they can't do anything without the will of allied nations specially america & Britain ?
On the other hand , countries like China & Russia have built their economies on stronger defence , they are super powers enjoying , most of the powers same as USA UK ,FRANCE ?
So we need to build our defence further stronger , then of today ?
Even if we need to eat grass , same as the way we adopted , for our nucks ?

I can have a long debate about , J-31s getting matured & been inducted in PLAF & PAF , any how it will take at least 15 to 20 more years ?
What you think till then , no war will happen ?
& our crunt PAF inventory will be enough to counter any aggression against Pakistan ?
SU-35 & JH-7 combination can give us cover , range , fire power , tactical maneuvering , for at least 30 more years to come , in which we can make our economy able us to , invest or buy any 5th or 6th generation fighter aircrafts needed at that time ?
If we can secure our today , our towmarow will be better in all of our required terms ?
Or , we can try our best to become a economic power house like Germany & Japan , & asking permissions from UK : USA to conduct our army exercises ?


We have enough of the dam single engine fighters marvels like F-16s in our hands & we don't need them any more with their dam ABC's , & blk 52,53,54 ,55 600000 ?

We should stop wasting that money & instead ask our dam suppliers to bring some thing else ,
on our table like F -15s , if not then we can get it from any where we want ?

Any how still we have to pay those F-16S , SO WHY NOT WE PAY FOR MORE POWER & RANGE ?

Hi,

Thank you for your comments----. 8 F16's---supposedly at 150 million a piece----. That is 1.2 billion dollars----.

Secondly---going by your strong defense comments---before----2005 when pakistan was ready to purchase 72 F16---the tone of the opponent was different---the moment it finds out that the order has been cancelled---the tone and relationship changed.

Pakistan cannot be judged on standard nation management----due to the fact that its opponent is almost 5 times itsd size---just like Israel has a massive number of opponents to face---.

It all begins with a timely procurement of equipment---in a stair step progression---. When you buy the Mirage 2K ---20 years ago----then 20 years later you do not need to worry equipping the air force with a similar capability aircraft---that put us now at 20 years + 5 years for integration----a total of 25 years behind the clock.

The Muslim prayers has nothing to do with the loss at all.

Hi,

The time wasted in prayers was the reason that Genghis Khan corned the Shah's infantry in a narrow area.

As Shah missed the opportunity by 1/2 a day or maybe by a few hours----as is estimated---the infantry could not be positioned to form battle line to ITS STRENGTH-----.

For fundos---it is very difficult to swallow that fact----.

 

[The Eagle]

Hi,

The time wasted in prayers was the reason that Genghis Khan corned the Shah's infantry in a narrow area.

As Shah missed the opportunity by 1/2 a day or maybe by a few hours----as is estimated---the infantry could not be positioned to form battle line to ITS STRENGTH-----.

For fundos---it is very difficult to swallow that fact----.

Time ever spent for prayers is never wasted though there would be more reasons for that loss but writer's biased approach and obsession with Islam is at high.

For candle mafia---indeed never misses a chance to defame the Islam.

 

[MastanKhan]

Time ever spent for prayers is never wasted though there would be more reasons for that loss but writer's biased approach and obsession with Islam is at high.

For candle mafia---indeed never misses a chance to defame the Islam.

Hi,

Islam is not the problem---silly. It the muslim who is the idiot---.

 

[The Eagle]

Hi

Mastan Saab. I just meant to say everything for Prayers alone that Prayer time is never the wasted one however how much the Muslim is Idiot, it's all depend how Muslim the person is and

Pardon me Mods here for going off topic but Prayer is a must concern so tried to highlight.

Thanks

 

[batmannow]

JF-17 already buzzing. What I am saying no need of twin right now or in near future because of Pakistan's Defensive doctrine which focus on defending our lands. We can't win a conventional war with india. For deep strike currently Pakistan should focus on better missiles instead of twin engine jets. Twin engine won't make it possible to go deep inside india with india's multiple defence layer and do strike and come back but a stealthy and maneuvering multi warhead missile do provide better chance of deep strike inside india against these defensive layers. Twin engine jet make sense with 5th gen tech.

You still didn't get it ?
For officials in pentagon they , don't want to give any other high end fighter jets to Pakistan which can be copied some how ?
For F-16s they already have sold it to whole world after using it , in different conflicts ?
They dont want , to see we are developing a new twin engine jet same as we did with their F-16s to JF17s ?
They don't want , to let Chinese know their panels , switichs even wires used in F-18s or any other fighter jet within their fighting inventory ?
In pakistans case , pentagon highly doubtfull that what ever the tech been sold to Pakistan , will not be checked &, copied in China ?
From F-16s China learned a lot , JF THUNDER , then J-20 has a lot of characteristics smillar to F-16s ?
They are okay with more F-16s to Pakistan but not more then that ?

 

[Zarvan]

Pakistan should go for either J-11 D or SU-35 or JH-7B. One of this jet is needed to give PAF a serious offensive punch and to carry out strikes deep inside enemy territory.

 

[Manidabest]

Pakistan must go for SU 35.... or J11B

 

[salman-1]

J-10C with second generation AESA Radar and more modren ECCM is the only readily available stop gap measure available to PAF. All by means of sufficient spares and service and price wise. PAF should put more efforts on J-10C upgrading with China to fill gap for F-16 type aircrafts

 

[batmannow]

Pakistan should go for either J-11 D or SU-35 or JH-7B. One of this jet is needed to give PAF a serious offensive punch and to carry out strikes deep inside enemy territory.

J-11d s & JH 7s are not better then SU-30s & rafeels in IAF inventory , the best bet can be SU-35 or J-16s .