"What the hell is going on in this country?" : Supreme Court

[shaktiman2010]

"What the hell is going on in this country?' : SC

New Delhi: Hard on the heels of a withering attack on the conduct of the Union government in the appointment of PJ Thomas as Chief Vigilance Commissioner, another bench of the apex court grilled the government over the progress made in the investigations into the multi-billion dollar money laundering and tax evasion case, which involves chief accused Hasan Ali.

"What is in the way of taking action against Hasan Ali," the court questioned the Centre. "How many years will investigations continue against Ali?" it added.

In a dramatic move, the apex court also ordered immediate reinstatement of three key Enforcement Directorate officials who were transferred midway through the probe into foreign exchange law violation by Pune businessman Hasan Ali Khan.

A bench of justices B Sudershan Reddy and SS Nijjar also indicated that should the government fail to act it would be compelled to appoint a special officer for supervising the probe against the offenders, agencies reported.

The apex court also queried why custodial interrogation of Hasan Ali and other alleged black money launderers had not yet taken place. It said the matter was serious and they would not brook any delay.

It also asked the government not to treat LGT Bank account holders as mere tax evaders but investigate their source of black money.

 

[misterme2]

Corruption is really f-ing India up. Its so bad that NYTimes has an article about how complacent Indians are with corruption that they won;t even march or protest it. This is an utter failure on society's part. As long as you stay quiet then Politicans and any other corrupt person be it a cop, business man, teacher, whatever will act without impunity because they have no fear of repercussions or penalties. This is the truth. Each and everyone here who bribes a cop to get off a ticket is just as guilty or pay a teacher to get high grades are guilty. Wake up. You can blame the Arabs, the British, the Americans, whatever but at the end of the day it you, you people and your country who is going to suffer.

 

[shaktiman2010]

Corruption is really f-ing India up. Its so bad that NYTimes has an article about how complacent Indians are with corruption that they won;t even march or protest it. This is an utter failure on society's part. As long as you stay quiet then Politicans and any other corrupt person be it a cop, business man, teacher, whatever will act without impunity because they have no fear of repercussions or penalties. This is the truth. Each and everyone here who bribes a cop to get off a ticket is just as guilty or pay a teacher to get high grades are guilty. Wake up. You can blame the Arabs, the British, the Americans, whatever but at the end of the day it you, you people and your country who is going to suffer.

Which part of the above news report blames Arabs, British or Americans for corruption in India?

 

[misterme2]

I am not referring to the news report but to the attitude of posters on this site and the Indian public in general.

 

[shaktiman2010]

I am not referring to the news report but to the attitude of posters on this site and the Indian public in general.

You should open new thread if you have issues with posters here or Indian public. Stick to the thread topic, thanks.

 

[misterme2]

Sorry but I won;t the topic is interconnected to what I had to say thanks.

 

[shaktiman2010]

Sorry but I won;t the topic is interconnected to what I had to say thanks.

You made your point. Fair enough. So, let me correct you in few areas.

If you are talking about Indian public or system and comparing them to western(british, american) systems, then I would say Indian system is far better than those. Indians might be corrupt but we never send Muslims to jail based on religion(under silly national security laws, racial profiling) for torture, like american courts do.

American human rights record and race crimes in USA after 9/11 are well known. Not to mention Britain, its even worse. Though, I am not sure about Arabs. They have different system for judicial processes so I won't comment on them.

The bottomline is, if I am a muslim then I would feel more safe to be in India than in USA, even after Gujarat riots of 2003. Because there is atleast hope of justice. Its not like USA where whole system is botched up with racist incidents. 9/11 is a silly excuse to justify "terror for terror" as answer.

I would never know when some d*ckheaded american custom officer will take me into detention because I have urdu tattoo or big beard or my name is synonymous to some terrorist leader. Heck, I will prefer China to USA.

I would say, American public lack simple maturity to differentiate between a normal Muslim and a terrorist. They are behaving like racist fools since 9/11. Its been 10 years now since 9/11, so how many more years Americans in their so-called democratic system will continue to treat Muslims like Dogs?

 

[misterme2]

You made your point. Fair enough. So, let me correct you in few areas.

If you are talking about Indian public or system and comparing them to western(british, american) systems, then I would say Indian system is far better than those. Indians might be corrupt but we never send Muslims to jail based on religion(under silly national security laws) for torture, like american courts do.

American human rights record and race crimes in USA after 9/11 are well known. Not to mention Britain, its even worse. Though, I am not sure about Arabs. They have different system for judicial processes so I won't comment on them.

The bottomline is, if I am a muslim then I would feel more safe to be in India than in USA, even after Gujarat riots of 2003. Because there is atleast hope of justice. Its not like USA where whole system is botched up with racist incidents. 9/11 is a silly excuse to justify "terror for terror" as answer.

Shakti, the judicial system is more fair in Western Countries my Uncle was CI of Cochin, Kerala. Though its not supposed to happen, illegal stuff does happen from time to time. It is inevitable, but justice prevails when such actions are brought forth and action is taken to correct it.

India doesn't truly suffer from race issues because its population is not as diverse as America. But India does have issues with caste, religion and folks from the North east and as a citizen of the USA, I see first hand how foreigners who come here act. Believe me, it is far from perfect.

I believe you need to take a closer look at justice in Kashmir, Orissa, Bengal. I am not saying steps aren't being taken to ensure justice but there are incidents just like anywhere else. Look at how women are treated in your country. Quite frankly, i would never ever let any female members of my family visit India alone. Ever. Look at the justice melted out to MAoists while some of it may be due to foreign influence, you cannot deny there genuine problems that need to be resolved. I agree taking the violent route is not he answer but when corruption is bad, it may be the only option for a person who has no other option. I can go on and on, but the degree of safety and security in America is unparalell to many countries. My main point to you and others was that corruption is really holding India BIGTIME. YOu cannot argue with that point, al you have to do is look at your neighbor to the north China, sure there is communism and maybe some lack of freedom but they are are still held accountable to the ppl of CHina. The China gov't fears lack of control of the citizens, thus they ensure to make the right decisions and guide the country with a long term vision. India has lots to learn and gain. But my key advice was to really get up and protest, make your voices heard. Its a problem that the US is suffering from. Our politicians aren't listening to the public, so we have all gone out to the streets to protest and demand to let our voices be heard.

As for your argument on Muslims prefer staying in India is simple, india politics play into religious sentiments and it is not helping India. India accommodates all religions but sometimes a lest at the federal level, state level politics, education, and healthcare these are areas that should be free from religion. Religion and its practices should be practiced at home or at places of worship. This constant battle for accommodation is not food for India. The age of consent and the age to go to school are two examples where religion plays a role. It should;t, only the rule of the land should dictate that and no other authority has that right.

Another point many folks who come to the West would anther live in India is true because you wouldn;t get away with a fraction of the "crimes" you commit here as you would in India. I used to think justice is bad in America but its a lot worse in india. But one common thing justice shares in both countries is that money determines how innocent you are and it also influences your sentencing.

 

[desioptimist]

I would like to differ from saktiman. We need to learn a lot from western countries at least on human rights and dignity to ordinary people.
I dont see many Indians blaming americans / arabs / british for India's problems. Americans are almost never blamed for anything here. Some praise British Raj and some hate but we dont blame them for current situation.
I dont understand where you brought arabs from, you could have brought eskimos too.

But many Indians blame pakistan or china for everything bad here. That should stop.

 

[shaktiman2010]

I mentioned only 9/11 and race crimes in USA(remember how Sikhs were attacked because "educated" americans don't know differrence between Sikh wearing turbans and arabs. That shows how much they know about other cultures, even after living with same people). I didn't even mention what your country did to natives and grabbed their lands.

Of course, not to mention "beautiful" record of USA in Iraq and Afghanistan. Oh, I forgot Guantanamo bay?

Well, before lecturing Indian public, clean up your mess.

 

[shaktiman2010]

I would like to differ from saktiman. We need to learn a lot from western countries at least on human rights and dignity to ordinary people.
I dont see many Indians blaming americans / arabs / british for India's problems. Americans are almost never blamed for anything here. Some praise British Raj and some hate but we dont blame them for current situation.
I dont understand where you brought arabs from, you could have brought eskimos too.

But many Indians blame pakistan or china for everything bad here. That should stop.

LOL. I guess, American public are very "sensitive", about arabs. Arabs are nowhere related to the topic.

I wonder what issue he has with Arabs.

 

[justanobserver]

India doesn't truly suffer from race issues because its population is not as diverse as America. But India does have issues with the North east and as a citizen of the USA, I see first hand how foreigners who come here act. Believe me, it is far from perfect.

India is way way more diverse than the USA. Religion, Culture, Language, Ethnicities, no comparison

 

[GodlessBastard]

India doesn't truly suffer from race issues because its population is not as diverse as America.

I don't think you know much about India...

 

[misterme2]

Not with ethnicity. everything else sure

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Ever read report that conclusively said all poeple in India are essentially India thru genetic testing?

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No problems with Arabs I brought it up coz of the posters here who always relate to the Arab invasions and such BS.

 

[GodlessBastard]

Not with ethnicity. everything else sure

Over 75% of Americans are white Caucasians.

Quite frankly, American ethnic diversity is extremely overhyped and mostly a myth. Only American urban centers are racially diverse, and most of those in negative ways (ghettos).

American suburbs and rural populations are almost exclusively white.