"What the hell is going on in this country?" : Supreme Court

[misterme2]

That guy is stuck 15 years back. In India, we had this debate of "corruption" million times in every level and every forum and type of Indian media and Indian people are fully convinced that Corruption must go and there is no tolerance left for it in public now. Even politicians are realizing that people and media won't let it go easy from here. And, Poop! there comes a guy who claims "you indians are complacent, you do nothing. you are so happy with corruption. Let's have a debate on corruption and me-smart-american will teach you how to solve corruption". What the f*ck?



Hey buddy we can really narrow down corruption with E governance.....in NYC they use a system called 3-1-1......you can google DoITT 311 and get info. It would be incredibly beneficial for India.

 

[misterme2]

Hahaa... you made me laugh man... Hey... dont get overworked over something as silly as this. The person who starts to use "you Indians" and claims to be an Indian will also not get a warm welcome from me, but learn to counter with good arguments as @SpArK did a few posts above... just don't get personal ok.

Peace out!

My plan worked I needed to get these guys worked up and motivated ....they have a relaxed attitude.....I used that language for another reason but Ill tell you why privately....

 

[shaktiman2010]

Hey buddy we can really narrow down corruption with E governance.....in NYC they use a system called 3-1-1......you can google DoITT 311 and get info. It would be incredibly beneficial for India.

You are 11 years late. Government of India initiated their first E-governance project in year 2000. It seems your NYT source failed to report this, he was too busy near dirty Ganges coast, I guess.

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My plan worked I needed to get these guys worked up and motivated ....they have a relaxed attitude.....I used that language for another reason but Ill tell you why privately....

I get actually demotivated after meeting with your kind.

 

[shaktiman2010]

Agree somewhat... corruption is nothing but manipulation. But you have to see that in the US it wasn't the govt money that these people were playing with... In case of India it is our hard earned money... money of people that should be used for the people... isn't that the basis of paying taxes?

Why you are isolating money into two categories and giving a free pass to Corruption in corporate USA? How comes that doesn't affect people? And, how this line of classification is going to help us? You are forgetting one thing here. Economy is one and money can flow from both ends. So, there is nothing like people's money and "private" money.

If there is a scam in a private bank, it ultimately hurts whom? Consumers(clients/Common people). It ultimately screws balance of the same economy, of the same system. Common public is everywhere. Its not as if customers who open accounts in private banks are not part of general public and shouldn't have protection for their money if lost in a scam. So, whats the point in isolating the scams and accountability to just Government? Why not every player and every bank in economy?

I would support even securitisation of public money in private banks. This is common in USA. If a private banks collapses, US govt. pays full money to its account-holders. So, where is the question of people's and private money here? This system is good. Just print the money and pass it off to poor people who lost, bcoz of bank's corrupt management!

Yes, tax money should be used for us, for people. So, are you saying that those who open bank accounts in private banks and keep their "public money" in it, are not common people? They don't pay tax? So, why they should be denied the benefits from same tax money?

 

[misterme2]

You are 11 years late. Government of India initiated their first E-governance project in year 2000. It seems your NYT source failed to report this, he was too busy near dirty Ganges coast, I guess.

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I get actually demotivated after meeting with your kind.

Dude the E governance that the Government implemented is not on the same scale and help as the one in NYC.....there is one also in Chennai but you have to pay for it.....its free in NYC....Read up on what I noted its called DoITT 311, it provides accountability, cuts down paperwork and inefficient bureaucracy.....which is the biggest source of red tape, and it actually send s rehired info and requests with the click of a mouse...

Let me give you some background of the E governance in NYC, it was implemented by the Mayor bloomberg who is a billionaire himself....and he used his corporate background to set up an efficient system to tackle the citys problems....India's E governance is nowhere near this system.....The plus side is that countries are allowed to visit and take notes on this system.

Don't get demotivated I don't want that bro......At the end of the day no matter how harsh I may sound I am truly happy that India is making it....I am happy that the youth like you are making an effort and have a attitude that "We can make it"...thats very important....NRI's can only do a lil but many are more than willing to provide logistics...to help any effort... As my kind we are the same as you no matter how much you try to differentiate ...

 

[misterme2]

Nothing is going to change till any one party get clear majority.

Defintiely then that is where InDians to spread the word and change the perception and show the benefits of why this is better for the country.

 

[shaktiman2010]

Dude the E governance that the Government implemented is not on the same scale and help as the one in NYC.....there is one also in Chennai but you have to pay for it....its free in NYC....Read up on what I noted its called DoITT 311, it provides accountability, cuts down paperwork and inefficient bureaucracy.....which is the biggest source of red tape, and it actually sends rehired info and requests with the click of a mouse...

Let me give you some background of the E governance in NYC, it was implemented by the Mayor bloomberg who is a billionaire himself....and he used his corporate background to set up an efficient system to tackle the citys problems....India's E governance is nowhere near this system.....The plus side is that countries are allowed to visit and take notes on this system.

Firstly, we are discussing India and not NYC.

Secondly, NYC is not only city on earth, which has e-governance and all other countries are Africans, as you are making it sound like. And e-governance is not some UFO technology which Indian IT engineers can't implement themselves. So, stop bragging here like an idiot about how "efficient" your NYC system is, which is basically an over-expensive, in-efficient goliath system implemented by corporate connections of your billionaire Mayor, who rigged up rich amercan's tax-money.

And thirdly, you are 11 years late. GoI(Government of India) started implementing national IT grid(physical infrastructure/backbone of national e-governance) in year 2000. Actually it seems you are 20 years behind in time, when it comes to your knowledge of developments in India.

India started implementing e-governance in year 2000 and you have no f*cking idea what you are talking about. The Indian railways' Mumbai harbour Rail ticketing system volume alone is bigger than your pis*-poor NYC subway train system. So, maybe your NYC mayor should come here and take some lessons on how to manage such massive system on a very small budget and resources.

And, every bank in India is already connected to national electronic grid. There is no manual system here, except in remote areas like North-east where Fibre Optic cable work is in final phases. For those remote areas, every bank has direct satellite connection with his head branches in metro cities across India(and that too through ISRO's satellites, not your in-efficient over-expensive American satellites). This is only small example. The consumer and corporate payment settlement system of states electricity boards, of 12 states are already connected to National bank electronic grid system, which is only a secondary system as backup to BSNL's own national fiber grid.

I guess your so-called "free & fair" NYT source didn't tell you this because he was busy covering dirty Ganges & hallucinating over projections of negative image of India and has a habit of putting his nose at wrong end.

So, cut the crap and update your knowledge first because you are sounding like a fool here, who doesn't have an iota of knowledge of ground reality in India but, loves to lecture like typical arrogant american born confused desi(ABCD).

I am not surprised that NRI's(specially ABCD types) are so infamous, because they have a habit of putting their foot in their own mouth, like you are doing here.

You should goto Africa, dear. You might get good audience for your innovative and path-breaking e-governance ideas(which are decades old now in India). Oh, wait, maybe you are late. I heard that Indian IT companies have already started implementing e-governance networks and infrastructure in African countries, under direct Indian government agreement with those African countries. Poor you American, now who will give you fame and attention? And, where you will find "subjects" to sing tunes of American greatness? It seems noone needs USA that much now, because even African are growing brains. So sad. LOL.

 

[shaktiman2010]

Defintiely then that is where InDians to spread the word and change the perception and show the benefits of why this is better for the country.

Yes, Indians are corrupt, complacent and fools. They don't even understand e-governance. You are a genius!!!! Congrats, Mr. ABCD.

 

[misterme2]

Firstly, we are discussing India and not NYC.

Secondly, NYC is not only city on earth, which has e-governance and all other countries are Africans, as you are making it sound like. And e-governance is not some UFO technology which Indian IT engineers can't implement themselves. So, stop bragging here like an idiot about how "efficient" your NYC system is, which is basically an over-expensive, in-efficient goliath system implemented by corporate connections of your billionaire Mayor, who rigged up rich amercan's tax-money.

And thirdly, you are 11 years late. GoI(Government of India) started implementing national IT grid(physical infrastructure/backbone of national e-governance) in year 2000. Actually it seems you are 20 years behind in time, when it comes to your knowledge of developments in India.

India started implementing e-governance in year 2000 and you have no f*cking idea what you are talking about. The Indian railways' Mumbai harbour Rail ticketing system volume alone is bigger than your pis*-poor NYC subway train system. So, maybe your NYC mayor should come here and take some lessons on how to manage such massive system on a very small budget and resources.

And, every bank in India is already connected to national electronic grid. There is no manual system here, except in remote areas like North-east where Fibre Optic cable work is in final phases. For those remote areas, every bank has direct satellite connection with his head branches in metro cities across India(and that too through ISRO's satellites, not your in-efficient over-expensive American satellites). This is only small example. The consumer and corporate payment settlement system of states electricity boards, of 12 states are already connected to National bank electronic grid system, which is only a secondary system as backup to BSNL's own national fiber grid.

I guess your so-called "free & fair" NYT source didn't tell you this because he was busy covering dirty Ganges & hallucinating over projections of negative image of India and has a habit of putting his nose at wrong end.

So, cut the crap and update your knowledge first because you are sounding like a fool here, who doesn't have an iota of knowledge of ground reality in India but, loves to lecture like typical arrogant american born confused desi(ABCD).

I am not surprised that NRI's(specially ABCD types) are so infamous, because they have a habit of putting their foot in their own mouth, like you are doing here.

You should goto Africa, dear. You might get good audience for your innovative and path-breaking e-governance ideas(which are decades old now in India). Oh, wait, maybe you are late. I heard that Indian IT companies have already started implementing e-governance networks and infrastructure in African countries, under direct Indian government agreement with those African countries. Poor you American, now who will give you fame and attention? And, where you will find "subjects" to sing tunes of American greatness? It seems noone needs USA that much now, because even African are growing brains. So sad. LOL.

HEy DUMMY this what I am talking about....you bloody fool....I talk about corruption and you talk about banking and Indian railroad...cant you stick to the topic its corruption.....READ THE TOPIC PRICK>.....WHY DONT USE YOUR EYES AND LOOK AT THE QUALITY AND EFFICENCY OF INDIA"S E GOVERANCE AND NYC....I know damn well we are talking about India ...I am making a comparison or does that hurt your feelings.....India has the ability to absorb the latest products and developments because of lack of development in some areas....get clue and get life you joker....IT work is great you wanna where Indians have developed most of the cutting edge work ...IN the USA in SILICON VALLEY due to NRIs ....so shove it you know where.....stick to the topic....CORRUPTION IS SLOWING INDIAN DOWN BIG TIME SO GEˇOFF YOUR AND DO SOMETHING


Going to Africa has nothing to do with quality it has to do with cost moron. LEt me show you something about the backwardness of India's E governance...we are self proclaimed IT power then take a good hard look at the Indian embassy in NYC....use your fingers and google it....do you know how backward it is.......I can make a better website that is more user friendlier...Buddy almost all business products like railroad tickets, airplane tickets,etc can be bought in the USA and its been in place for a long time.....


You have concluded to me and others why you are an Idiot ....you don't realize that Satellites are used by India used to lack of infrastructure and also because this tech can be absorbed by India because it is not as developed...


in-efficient goliath system implemented by corporate connections of your billionaire Mayor, who rigged up rich amercan's tax-money.

Thanks you have shown to China and Pakistan Posters what they are dealing with it....you live in a fantasy world....and you have no proof ....you should go work for the Marxists....

 

[shaktiman2010]

HEy DUMMY this what I am talking about....you bloody fool....I talk about corruption and you talk about banking and Indian railroad...cant you stick to the topic its corruption.....READ THE TOPIC PRICK>.....WHY DONT USE YOUR EYES AND LOOK AT THE QUALITY AND EFFICENCY OF INDIA"S E GOVERANCE AND NYC....I know damn well we are talking about India ...I am making a comparison or does that hurt your feelings.....India has the ability to absorb the latest products and developments because of lack of development in some areas....get clue and get life you joker....IT work is great you wanna where Indians have developed most of the cutting edge work ...IN the USA in SILICON VALLEY due to NRIs ....so shove it you know where.....stick to the topic....CORRUPTION IS SLOWING INDIAN DOWN BIG TIME SO GEˇOFF YOUR AND DO SOMETHING


Going to Africa has nothing to do with quality it has to do with cost moron. LEt me show you something about the backwardness of India's E governance...we are self proclaimed IT power then take a good hard look at the Indian embassy in NYC....use your fingers and google it....do you know how backward it is.......I can make a better website that is more user friendlier...Buddy almost all business products like railroad tickets, airplane tickets,etc can be bought in the USA and its been in place for a long time.....


You have concluded to me and others why you are an Idiot ....you don't realize that Satellites are used by India used to lack of infrastructure and also because this tech can be absorbed by India because it is not as developed...


in-efficient goliath system implemented by corporate connections of your billionaire Mayor, who rigged up rich amercan's tax-money.

Thanks you have shown to China and Pakistan Posters what they are dealing with it....you live in a fantasy world....and you have no proof ....you should go work for the Marxists....

Ok, Mr.ABCD so you are saying that Indians should close down super-computing projects at C-DAC because Indians are not supposed to do such high-tech stuff and import the products and technologies from your super-duper Godly country USA.

Also, lets close down Infosys/WIPRO/TATA who implemented e-governance application layer across the country for banking, transporation, education etc. should all be shut down because Indians are fools and they shouldn't attempt to do anything of this magnitude because Indians are corrupt, dumb and complacent but India should transfer the whole contracts to your over-priced Godly Newyork companies so your ego feels better and you feel like a proud american who pulled poor Indians as* out of poverty. LOL.

Sure, keep dreaming Mr. ABCD(American born confused desi).

And I don't think supporting Indian brains in TATA, Satyam and WIPRO for implementing national e-governance initiatives in India, makes me an Indian marxist. That only shows your typical american arrogance. When noone gives you attention, you start calling names on others as "paranoid", "marxist" and etc.

First, learn to respect that others(outside your "efficient and pure" USA which is not true) have brains too and learn how to converse in civil manner, then maybe people will take you seriously.

And, don't use CAPS. LOL

 

[shaktiman2010]

.IT work is great you wanna where Indians have developed most of the cutting edge work ...IN the USA in SILICON VALLEY due to NRIs ....so shove it you know where...

Absolutely, Indians have brains too, Mr. American born confused desi. So, that's what my point is. Indians know how to setup national infrastructure and how to improve it.

If you think you are smarter, just because you are born in USA, then goto Mumbai and teach those IIT-ians(from TATA) who designed India's e-governance grid. Whining here doesn't make you look any better than an empty tea-bag.

Also, isn't it ironic that first you call Indians "corrupt" and complacent and then praise them for making USA success in IT software? LOL.

 

[misterme2]

Absolutely, Indians have brains too, Mr. American born confused desi. So, that's what my point is. Indians know how to setup national infrastructure and how to improve it.

If you think you are smarter, just because you are born in USA, then goto Mumbai and teach those IIT-ians(from TATA) who designed India's e-governance grid. Whining here doesn't make you look any better than an empty tea-bag.


Also, isn't it ironic that first you call Indians "corrupt" and complacent and then praise them for making USA success in IT software? LOL.

Ironic hey my uncle is an ITT-ian. I have another uncle who graduated as a Physicist from Al Ameen Univ in Delhi. Both are accomplished. My uncle the Physicist works at Boise State Univ. and has a number of patents dealing with Nanotechnology. They even named a wing of the Univ. after him. The ITT-ian uncle started his own chemical co. in Dubai yrs ago. Wanna know you why they left in the first place??? Take a guess!!!! Let me guess you thought they left because they hate India mmmm?
I think you have a serious chip on your shoulder and you're looking for a rise. Its folks like yourself who hold India back....Blind patriotism won't help india (I will break it down for you if you don;t understand). I guess you couldn't you understand my true intentions obviously because you are still accusing me...so fine be it.....YES IM ARROGANT AMERICAN WHO WANTS TO SEE INDIA FELL APART PIECE BY PIECE....AND THANKS TO LIKE OF YOU IT WILL HAPPEN QUICKER THAN EXPECTED.....Remember Israel treats their own people who the majority are born outside as a valuable resource. Those Israelis born and raised abroad have contributed highly to the development of Israel.


Ironic I Never called Indians corrupt ..... and If I did I think you took it out of context.....you really must be a blue collar worker from some villa with no grasp of English....There is corruption and the complacency of the public is not helping the situation. Do you need glasses.



Dude you are confusing E governance and Information technology for the banking, railroad, educational sectors.....FIRST LEARN AND UNDERSTAND WHAT E- GOVERNANCE is!!! You know I wrote so much here and you didn't understand anything please get out of the red light district and educate yourself...Listen when things are done better ..Don't you think the Chinese looked at the best systems and then developed their ideas based on the best?




Ironic that You call me ABCD and then you whine about me calling you names? Double standards huh? You are showing why India is "Shitting".....not Shining with likes of you....MR. coconut....(brown on the outside, white in the inside)...or FOB (fresh of the boat)

Ironic you make it point to say how Indians who left NRI's are not welcome but love to bask in the glory they have made for themselves in foreign countries. LOL


i will never ever respect someone like you....if you took a moment to digest what I wrote I would show you all the respect you want. But due to your constant fussing of me being an NRI, a foreigner, whatever else you cooked up and your failure to see my post, you deserve more disrespect!

The truly sad part is that I contribute more to India's development than you sir. You won't even help a poor neighbor. You can easily tutor someone for free, or teach a poor kid to read, etc....but you don; do ......just sit and argue with a foreigner who is doing more for India than you have.

You say Indians have brains...well don't all humans have brains.....I mean sir your lack of education is truly showing lol....I am Indian and and I have a brain also dim wit.

 

[shaktiman2010]

I think you have a serious chip on your shoulder and you're looking for a rise. Its folks like yourself who hold India back....Blind patriotism won't help india (I will break it down for you if you don;t understand). I guess you couldn't you understand my true intentions obviously because you are still accusing me...so fine be it.....YES IM ARROGANT AMERICAN WHO WANTS TO SEE INDIA FELL APART PIECE BY PIECE....AND THANKS TO LIKE OF YOU IT WILL HAPPEN QUICKER THAN EXPECTED.....Remember Israel treats their own people who the majority are born outside as a valuable resource. Those Israelis born and raised abroad have contributed highly to the development of Israel.

I don't think you are foolish but you are simply immature and restless because you are unable to defend your original argument that Indians are corrupt and complacent, and India is going to hell if it doesn't start to copy over-expensive and inefficient systems of NYC(implemented by corporate friends of billionaire NYC mayor).

What you need to understand here is that, India has its own systems. Those systems you talked about are not new, but decades old. In fact, the national e-governance Grid designed by IIT-ians for India is far more advanced, of bigger magnitude and efficient than you can imagine. And your NYT source doesn't get paid to create Brand India. If the same Grid is implemented by some american firm, then NYT would report it differently. Its pure business, kid.

Secondly, Israelis don't sit in NYC and whine about corruption in Israel or act scared in their pants with the daily bombings in Israel(just look at your insensitive remark on Indian army for J&K situation, in other thread).

You say Indians have brains...well don't all humans have brains.....I mean sir your lack of education is truly showing lol....I am Indian and and I have a brain also dim wit.

If you love and respect India, then you would never pass silly remarks on J&K. However, I don't regret calling you a typical American born arrogant tea-bag.

 

[shaktiman2010]

You say Indians have brains...well don't all humans have brains.....I mean sir your lack of education is truly showing lol....I am Indian and and I have a brain also dim wit.

Then learn from Indians how to use it. Maybe in the same way, that your country USA is now requesting India, to teach them how to improve public relations between US Army(famous for rapes, loots) and public in Iraq.

 

[misterme2]

I don't think you are foolish but you are simply immature and restless because you are unable to defend your original argument that Indians are corrupt and complacent, and India is going to hell if it doesn't start to copy over-expensive and inefficient systems of NYC(implemented by corporate friends of billionaire NYC mayor).

What you need to understand here is that, India has its own systems. Those systems you talked about are not new, but decades old. In fact, the national e-governance Grid designed by IIT-ians for India is far more advanced, of bigger magnitude and efficient than you can imagine. And your NYT source doesn't get paid to create Brand India. If the same Grid is implemented by some american firm, then NYT would report it differently. Its pure business, kid.

Secondly, Israelis don't sit in NYC and whine about corruption in Israel or act scared in their pants with the daily bombings in Israel(just look at your insensitive remark on Indian army for J&K situation, in other thread).



If you love and respect India, then you would never pass silly remarks on J&K. However, I don't regret calling you a typical American born arrogant tea-bag.

READ MY POSTS I never said India is going to hell if it doesn't get 3-1-1 systems...you are lying again indian doesn't have a system like 3-1-1.....thats why whatever E governance India has, it is not sufficient enough or up to par.....Don't you think there is room for improvement???....Don;t you think the country can learn from other mistakes so that it doesn't have to commit the same ones and waste time?? .....on top that the E governance that I know of in Chennai charges a price to use their system...Kid you just blowing flames from your bottom... Are you kidding me? Israelis complain and act on it.....do you even understand what I wrote DONT WASTE MY TIME YOU IDIOT....talk sense...


You are simply talking a lot of gibberish. India can learn from a lot of different countries....I don't care what you think because at the end of the day you are not going to make any decision on India's welfare.....



I see the immaturity you cannot even debate me...word for word you are just twisting everything I said to give yourself a valid point good luck in Life....Don't bother replying ....YOu are wasting my time..


Show me the proof......where was E governance in place decades ago? BACK UP YOUR LIES....WHERE...IT WAS NOT IN KERALA, OR CHENNAI, OR KARNAKATA.......SO WHERE WAS IT? Post some links.....with a timeline plaza



Here is the link I have posted and this states 2006 Stop bug off liar .....don't waste our time....I just proved you don't know what you are talking about....now every poster can read this and see how much of a dummy you are...bye bye

http://india.gov.in/outerwin.php?id=http://mit.gov.in/content/national-e-governance-plan