What role could PAF have played in the Kargil war??

[danish_vij]

While Indians keep show boating about MiG-29 locking on the F-16, they even went as far as rewarding the Fulcrum pilot for achieving this from within his own air space, however you seldom hear of such incidents such as where a flight of F-16s trailed a formation of MiG-29s for about 20 minutes, the Indian pilots were completely oblivious of the Falcons trailing them until warned by their GCI, at which the MiG piltos jinxed so violently that they nearly crashed into each other.
PAF never made big deal out of such incidents as both air forces remained within own borders but i guess it's habitual for

well we can certainly see that u are chest thumping over very little detail of yours.....probably helps with your moral.

Indians to start chest thumping on every little detail....probably helps with their moral.

 

[Windjammer]

well we can certainly see that u are chest thumping over very little detail of yours.....probably helps with your moral.

Well my moral doesn't exactly helps PAF....does it, unlike IAF which went as far as rewarding their pilot and made the incident as part of IAF history....on the contrary, you will seldom find PAF making any mention of trailing the MiGs for almost half an hour.....indeed a question of moral. !!!

 

[Fireurimagination]

Not much, they could have flown dummy sorties or increased activities elsewhere at bases to give headache to IAF or provided intelligence inputs (I believe they would have done all that), nothing much any active engagement would have led to a full-blown war

 

[danish_vij]

you will seldom find PAF making any mention of trailing the MiGs for almost half an hour.....indeed a question of moral. !!!

because they didnt!!!.....just a fan boy story
and now suddenly 20 minutes becomes half an hour...thts how rumors spread and now after 5 years pdf people will start saying f16 tailed migs for 20 hours ..but tht doesnt change the reality....even if we believe f16s tailed migs then they didnt have balls to engage

i know the common excuse would b pak forces didnt want to escalate situation..but then again they started the conflict at first place and even then not having courage enough for engaging is a shame

 

[New World]

Please don't put blame of choosing improper aircraft on PAF as decisions are made by ministry of defense not by PAF)

joke of the century

 

[indiatester]

@MastanKhan Stumbled onto this gem, thought you might find it interesting if you haven't already read it.

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/...ing-4o-mirage-2000s-from-france/1/306146.html

I'm confused. Was that a true story? Or a Presstitute story?

 

[Windjammer]

because they didnt!!!.....just a fan boy story
and now suddenly 20 minutes becomes half an hour...thts how rumors spread and now after 5 years pdf people will start saying f16 tailed migs for 20 hours ..but tht doesnt change the reality....even if we believe f16s tailed migs then they didnt have balls to engage

i know the common excuse would b pak forces didnt want to escalate situation..but then again they started the conflict at first place and even then not having courage enough for engaging is a shame

You being victim of your own propaganda are unable to either comprehend or digest some facts.....not surprising for any one though. Had you been following the conflict from the start then perhaps you would be more enlightened.
The reality is since you believe that Pak forces intruded into your territory, why didn't your forces carry replied in kind and carry out cross border raids / strikes/ hot pursuits and all other nonsense that you are fed on daily basis.
If your neighbour comes and kills your cow...what do you do ??/......i guess in your case you will go and start fiddling to find out if your neighbour has a pair.

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

Since PAF was not involved in the Kargil war, and that put our soldiers in very grave danger since they didn't have the Airsupport and IAF was bombing our solider's positions with BVR missiles and causing heavy casualties.



So, in a hypothetical scenario if PAF was actually involved in that war (and taken into confidence during the planning/execution stages and assigned a role), what role could they have played?? Could they have provided the Pak soliders with solid air cover or not? I doubt they could have engaged themselves in air to air combat with IAF planes (which remember were BVR enabled) and PAF planes was not. But still limiting the PAF role to basically nothing and letting them see our positions getting bombed was a suicide move . They should've been assigned some role in that war.



So what role the PAF could have played considering the fact that they lacked the BVR technology ?? was IAF having the BVR tech. the deciding factor in PAF not getting involved or what?



Also could PAF having the BVR tech. have changed the fate of that war??

If PAF was ever consulted, I doubt they would have supported "Musharaff" in his "personal endeavour" called Kargil War. No one was taken into confidence, tells about his plans which is bound to fail from the first step.

 

[litman]

Well my moral doesn't exactly helps PAF....does it, unlike IAF which went as far as rewarding their pilot and made the incident as part of IAF history....on the contrary, you will seldom find PAF making any mention of trailing the MiGs for almost half an hour.....indeed a question of moral. !!!

certainly for IAF which doesn't have much to cheer about such minor incidents mean a lot. there is not a single IAF pilot who has shot down 2 jets in air combat while in PAF the list in long. so definitely IAF will even award the pilot who even locked a pakistani jet or who even saw a pakistani jet in combat.

 

[Alpha Fighter]

You being victim of your own propaganda are unable to either comprehend or digest some facts.....not surprising for any one though. Had you been following the conflict from the start then perhaps you would be more enlightened.
The reality is since you believe that Pak forces intruded into your territory, why didn't your forces carry replied in kind and carry out cross border raids / strikes/ hot pursuits and all other nonsense that you are fed on daily basis.
If your neighbour comes and kills your cow...what do you do ??/......i guess in your case you will go and start fiddling to find out if your neighbour has a pair.

So in reality who are those Mens? PAK disowned those mens and called them terrorist.

A) If so many men's came from PAK without being detected by PAK army, then PAK is aka terrorist supportive state?
B) Why those mens get back in PAK and got rewards?
C) Why PAK send its PM to US to neogiate face saving surrender?

D) Did you know your All Fuel supply was blocked from Sea and you only One week of Fuel left after that , your Army real defeat would have came public.

F) Why PAK amy taken some of its soilders body?

G) Why PAK ARMY hiding the report? saving itself from humiliation?

India was under pressure not to start full scare war, even PAK was so worried, US call SOS to india to stop when indian Strike team move in PAK and close to border.

India humiliated PAK diplomatically , even China ( deeper then ocean and Higher then mountain Friend) refused to take side of PAK in kargil.

 

[FunkyGen]

No no no youre wrong mushy was a genius... he was the best planner there ever was... ganja was the idiot... only he solely in this whole fuckin universe is responsible for this tragedy where our great jernail... disowned his soldiers... great situation!

btw this thing makes me sad... read sad...

 

[Signalian]

Why PAF has not been involved.
If you know the reason read Taufil Kuasar blog.The reason he mention his.

1)PAF does not have BVR missile.
2)Availibility of F-16 due to lack of spares.

Not really.

BVR ability doesnt guarantee a win in war. FOB's close to borders and dispersed locations further complicate air warfare. Kashmir is a mountain region and concealment from radars is easier than plains of punjab.

PAF is not a 100% F-16 force, there were 300+ other aircraft in inventory including newer F-7PG and ROSE Mirages, so its ridiculous to think that F-16 lack of spares means PAF cannot fight.

Gen Shahid Aziz was serving at that time in PA and his interviews give a broader picture. Musharraf used mujahideen backed by non-regular forces to keep the skirmish contained in one region. NLI at that time was paramilitary under interior ministry. PAF and PN chiefs were not kept in planning phase, it was a three man PA show.

 

[CHI RULES]

joke of the century

height of ignorance

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Simple answer is nothing more as to what they were already doing during the kargil operation, which is to protect the Pakistani aerial frontier.

Kargil was not a open war, infact it wasn't even a war rather a very localized operation. Pakistani stance during conflict was to keep secrecy about the involvement of Pakistani regulars operating across the border in Indian controlled BUT disputed territory, which the Kashmir is. Had Pakistan used it airpower to support its regulars on ground, that would have negated the whole narrative on which this conflict was fought over. You cannot hide the use of air power over enemy controlled skies and territory.

Its not about capability rather the use of wrong narrative to fight this conflict which limited the use of PAF.

 

[Hamza913]

It would unnecessarily escalate the conflict. No need, the troops were still kicking India's @ss.