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What percentage of pilots in these air force are Pakistani

Military service is for citizens of that country and it is highly sensitive job. Almost no nation employs a foreign national in military that too on job as critical as a pilot. However friendly countries exchange military personnel to strengthen relations and learn from each other's experience. It is a common practice and does not indicate anyone's superiority over the other. This practice benefits both nations. Military alliances like NATO also like to train together to enhance coordination and standardised their training and tactics. This may entail posting personnel to each other's military for a certain period.

I am sick of this mentality that Gulf nations are dependent on Pakistan militarily and can not do it on their own. Those are damn professional forces and in a conventional conflict are more than capable to defend their respective nations. But as it so happens, Insurgency, proxies and terrorism are fashion of the day. Any military in these conditions would face difficulties and take time to adapt. Insurgency and proxies are hard to fight and take several years to subdue. We more than anyone should know this.
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UAE Presidential Guard Commander Mike Hindmarsh receives an award (UAE armed forces) -

The guy on the Left is General Mike Hindmarsh, he is a retired Australian Army Officer and now leads the UAE Presidential Guards.

I think i have said enough :)
 
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Military service is for citizens of that country and it is highly sensitive job. Almost no nation employs a foreign national in military that too on job as critical as a pilot. However friendly countries exchange military personnel to strengthen relations and learn from each other's experience. It is a common practice and does not indicate anyone's superiority over the other. This practice benefits both nations. Military alliances like NATO also like to train together to enhance coordination and standardised their training and tactics. This may entail posting personnel to each other's military for a certain period.

I am sick of this mentality that Gulf nations are dependent on Pakistan militarily and can not do it on their own. Those are damn professional forces and in a conventional conflict are more than capable to defend their respective nations. But as it so happens, Insurgency, proxies and terrorism are fashion of the day. Any military in these conditions would face difficulties and take time to adapt. Insurgency and proxies are hard to fight and take several years to subdue. We more than anyone should know this.


Immigrants in the U.S. Armed Forces
May 15, 2008
Spotlight
By Jeanne Batalova

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According to data from the Department of Defense, more than 65,000 immigrants (non-U.S. citizens and naturalized citizens) were serving on active duty in the U.S. Armed Forces as of February 2008. Since September 2001, U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) has naturalized more than 37,250 foreign-born members of the U.S. Armed Forces and granted posthumous citizenship to 111 service members.

The current presence of immigrants in the military has a number of historical precedents. According to USCIS, the foreign born composed half of all military recruits by the 1840s and 20 percent of the 1.5 million service members in the Union Army during the Civil War.

Naturalized citizens, lawful permanent residents, and certain nationals of three countries in free association with the United States — the Marshall Islands, the Federated States of Micronesia, and Palau — are eligible for military service. In addition, Congress can deem other foreign-born individuals as eligible to serve if the secretary of a specific military branch "determines that such enlistment is vital to the national interest."

This Spotlight focuses on the statistics and policy changes regarding the foreign born in the army, navy, marines and air force. The data come from the Department of Defense (as of February 2008) and from USCIS (as of April 2008) unless otherwise noted.

Note: In this Spotlight, the terms "immigrant" and "foreign born" are used interchangeably and refer to members of the U.S. military who are either naturalized citizens or noncitizens.

Immigrants in the U.S. Armed Forces | migrationpolicy.org




As Numbers Grow, Recognizing Generations Of Latino Vets

As the nation honors its veterans, government officials point to the growing numbers of Latinos in the military, while Hispanic scholars and historians remind us of the generations of Hispanics who have proudly served our country.

Latinos make up about 6 percent of U.S. military veterans, according to a September 2014 report by the National Center for Veterans Analysis and Statistics. Although this number may seem low, it is rapidly changing.

The population of Hispanic veterans is expected to double in the next ten years, according to Barbara Ward, Director of the Department of Veterans Affairs Center for Minority Veterans. The increase can be seen over time; while Hispanics were 2.6 percent of World War II veterans, they make up 12.2 percent of veterans in the post-9/11 period.

“That means we have to do a better job in our positive outreach to Hispanic veterans wherever they are," said Ward. "We do this through our Hispanic Liaison, and we have 300 minority veterans program coordinators that are based in regional offices," she said.

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Ward said her agency works with civic groups including the American G.I. Forum and the League of United Latin American Citizens (LULAC), to spread the word about programs and services available to Latino veterans.

By certain measures, Hispanic veterans are doing better than their non-veteran counterparts. Veterans Affairs statistics show that Hispanic veterans have a lower unemployment rate, lower uninsured rate, and a lower poverty rate than Hispanic non-veterans. The median personal income for Hispanic veterans is more than twice that of Hispanic non-veterans.

However, Hispanics remain under-represented in the military at the officer level. Latinos are about 15 percent of the population, but only five percent of the officers’ corps in the armed forces. A 2011 Department of Defense report, “Diversity Leadership for the 21st Century Military,” found that “top military leaders are representative neither of the population they serve nor of the forces they lead.”

<img class="img-responsive img_inline" src="http://media1.s-nbcnews.com/j/newsc...8905b8469456de118313e8.nbcnews-fp-360-360.jpg" alt="Image: Alvino Mendoza" title="Image: Alvino Mendoza" itemprop="image"/>
Veteran Alvino Mendoza participates in the Take a Vet to School Day event at Metz Elementary School in Austin, Texas on Nov. 7, 2008. University of Texas
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In terms of accessing resources for those returning home, Veterans Affairs officials acknowledge that the recent scandals in the VA hospital system have given the department negative publicity.

“From my perspective, we have to own up that there have been problems,” said Ward. “Going forward, we want to put the veteran at the center of everything we do; we want to hear from the vets on what is important to them, not just what is important to us," said Ward. She added priorities include ensuring veterans get timely attention and proper referrals when needed.

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Dr. Unchenna S. Uchendu, Chief Officer of the Office of Health Equity, Veterans Health Administration, pointed out that Hispanic veterans access VA health care at comparable rates to other demographics. “There is no other system (than ours) with so many points of contact a day,” said Dr. Uchendu. “We serve 240,000 people a day in our system… Overall we have touched the lives of so many, on any given day, and most of them have positive outcomes,” she said.

Xiomara A. Sosa, who runs a nonprofit service and advocacy organization for veterans, thinks Hispanic veterans face unique challenges. Latino veterans tend to come from very united and large families, so it is important when they return home to reunite them with their communities. “However, the services available do not tend to be culturally sensitive or appropriate to our cultural norms," said Sosa.

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Maggie Rivas-Rodriguez has been recording the stories of Latino veterans for fifteen years for the VOCES Oral History Project. “We started in 1999, so this year is our quinceañera,” she said. “We have interviewed 769 World War II veterans and civilians of that period, 93 from Vietnam, and 134 from the Vietnam period.”

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<img class="img-responsive img_inline" src="http://media2.s-nbcnews.com/j/newsc...8905b8469456de118313e8.nbcnews-fp-360-360.jpg" alt="Image: Joe Bernal" title="Image: Joe Bernal" itemprop="image"/>
Veteran Joe Bernal at age 17 in Salinas, California on Sept. 1, 1945. University of Texas
Rivas-Rodriguez' project has amassed a trove of interviews and digitized photographs that are used in books, documentaries, photo exhibits and academic research. “Our mission is to create a better understanding of the Latino experience during those years,” she said.

In 2007, when Ken Burns unveiled his landmark PBS documentary on World War II – a documentary that included no depiction of Latinos – Rivas-Rodriguez protested this omission through the Defend The Honor campaign (Burns later agreed to make changes to his program). Rivas-Rodriguez says that her goal is to ensure that the contributions of Hispanic veterans are not forgotten. “We have gone beyond the call of duty, Latinos have been loyal Americans, and we should just be part of the historical record.”

In New York, filmmaker Noemi Figueroa Soulet spent nine years turning her interest in the U.S. Army’s 65th Infantry Regiment into a documentary. “The 65th Regiment was unique because it was a segregated unit, the only all-Hispanic unit in the history of the U.S. Army,” she said. “It was comprised primarily of Puerto Rican soldiers, along with continental officers. Yet when I first started researching it, I could hardly find any archival material about them – even though they served with great distinction during the Korean War,” she said. Her film, “The Borinqueneers,” premiered on PBS in 2007.

<img class="img-responsive img_inline" src="http://media4.s-nbcnews.com/j/newsc...8905b8469456de118313e8.nbcnews-fp-360-360.jpg" alt="Image: National Puerto Rican Day Parade Veteran's Tribute" title="Image: National Puerto Rican Day Parade Veteran's Tribute" itemprop="image"/>
The National Puerto Rican Day Parade in New York paid tribute to the members of the 65th Infantry with a float in June 2014. El Pozo Productions
<img class="img-responsive img_inline" src="http://media2.s-nbcnews.com/j/newsc...8905b8469456de118313e8.nbcnews-fp-360-360.jpg" alt="Image: Borinqueneers Honor Ceremony" title="Image: Borinqueneers Honor Ceremony" itemprop="image"/>
Borinqueneers Florida Honor Ceremony, Kissimmee Fl. Sept. 2013. Dennis Freytes
More recently, Soulet was involved in the successful campaign to help members of the 65th Regiment receive the Congressional Gold Medal. In June, President Obama awarded the honor to the veterans at a ceremony in Washington D.C.

Soulet said learning about ‘The Borinqueneers’ changed her life. “It gave me a greater appreciation of the sacrifices these men made. I really do see them as heroes, not only in the military but also in life. They were trailblazers. When I started I didn’t understand what it takes to be a soldier. Now I have the greatest respect for all of them.”

As Numbers Grow, Recognizing Generations Of Latino Vets - NBC News
 
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What percentage of pilots in these air force are of Pakistani origin:

Kuwait = ?
Bahrain = ?
Saudi Arabia = ?
Qatar = ?
UAE = ?

No pilots serve as full time in any of these air forces but they are available as peace time trainers, combat specialists and reserve if necessary for tactical operations where local manpower may not be available..
 
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Immigrants in the U.S. Armed Forces
May 15, 2008
Spotlight
By Jeanne Batalova

Spotlight-FB%20in%20the%20armed%20forces.jpg

According to data from the Department of Defense, more than 65,000 immigrants (non-U.S. citizens and naturalized citizens) were serving on active duty in the U.S. Armed Forces as of February 2008. Since September 2001, U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) has naturalized more than 37,250 foreign-born members of the U.S. Armed Forces and granted posthumous citizenship to 111 service members.

The current presence of immigrants in the military has a number of historical precedents. According to USCIS, the foreign born composed half of all military recruits by the 1840s and 20 percent of the 1.5 million service members in the Union Army during the Civil War.

Naturalized citizens, lawful permanent residents, and certain nationals of three countries in free association with the United States — the Marshall Islands, the Federated States of Micronesia, and Palau — are eligible for military service. In addition, Congress can deem other foreign-born individuals as eligible to serve if the secretary of a specific military branch "determines that such enlistment is vital to the national interest."

This Spotlight focuses on the statistics and policy changes regarding the foreign born in the army, navy, marines and air force. The data come from the Department of Defense (as of February 2008) and from USCIS (as of April 2008) unless otherwise noted.

Note: In this Spotlight, the terms "immigrant" and "foreign born" are used interchangeably and refer to members of the U.S. military who are either naturalized citizens or noncitizens.

Immigrants in the U.S. Armed Forces | migrationpolicy.org




As Numbers Grow, Recognizing Generations Of Latino Vets

As the nation honors its veterans, government officials point to the growing numbers of Latinos in the military, while Hispanic scholars and historians remind us of the generations of Hispanics who have proudly served our country.

Latinos make up about 6 percent of U.S. military veterans, according to a September 2014 report by the National Center for Veterans Analysis and Statistics. Although this number may seem low, it is rapidly changing.

The population of Hispanic veterans is expected to double in the next ten years, according to Barbara Ward, Director of the Department of Veterans Affairs Center for Minority Veterans. The increase can be seen over time; while Hispanics were 2.6 percent of World War II veterans, they make up 12.2 percent of veterans in the post-9/11 period.

“That means we have to do a better job in our positive outreach to Hispanic veterans wherever they are," said Ward. "We do this through our Hispanic Liaison, and we have 300 minority veterans program coordinators that are based in regional offices," she said.

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Ward said her agency works with civic groups including the American G.I. Forum and the League of United Latin American Citizens (LULAC), to spread the word about programs and services available to Latino veterans.

By certain measures, Hispanic veterans are doing better than their non-veteran counterparts. Veterans Affairs statistics show that Hispanic veterans have a lower unemployment rate, lower uninsured rate, and a lower poverty rate than Hispanic non-veterans. The median personal income for Hispanic veterans is more than twice that of Hispanic non-veterans.

However, Hispanics remain under-represented in the military at the officer level. Latinos are about 15 percent of the population, but only five percent of the officers’ corps in the armed forces. A 2011 Department of Defense report, “Diversity Leadership for the 21st Century Military,” found that “top military leaders are representative neither of the population they serve nor of the forces they lead.”

<img class="img-responsive img_inline" src="http://media1.s-nbcnews.com/j/newsc...8905b8469456de118313e8.nbcnews-fp-360-360.jpg" alt="Image: Alvino Mendoza" title="Image: Alvino Mendoza" itemprop="image"/>
Veteran Alvino Mendoza participates in the Take a Vet to School Day event at Metz Elementary School in Austin, Texas on Nov. 7, 2008. University of Texas
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In terms of accessing resources for those returning home, Veterans Affairs officials acknowledge that the recent scandals in the VA hospital system have given the department negative publicity.

“From my perspective, we have to own up that there have been problems,” said Ward. “Going forward, we want to put the veteran at the center of everything we do; we want to hear from the vets on what is important to them, not just what is important to us," said Ward. She added priorities include ensuring veterans get timely attention and proper referrals when needed.

Follow NBC News Latino on Facebook and Twitter

Dr. Unchenna S. Uchendu, Chief Officer of the Office of Health Equity, Veterans Health Administration, pointed out that Hispanic veterans access VA health care at comparable rates to other demographics. “There is no other system (than ours) with so many points of contact a day,” said Dr. Uchendu. “We serve 240,000 people a day in our system… Overall we have touched the lives of so many, on any given day, and most of them have positive outcomes,” she said.

Xiomara A. Sosa, who runs a nonprofit service and advocacy organization for veterans, thinks Hispanic veterans face unique challenges. Latino veterans tend to come from very united and large families, so it is important when they return home to reunite them with their communities. “However, the services available do not tend to be culturally sensitive or appropriate to our cultural norms," said Sosa.

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Maggie Rivas-Rodriguez has been recording the stories of Latino veterans for fifteen years for the VOCES Oral History Project. “We started in 1999, so this year is our quinceañera,” she said. “We have interviewed 769 World War II veterans and civilians of that period, 93 from Vietnam, and 134 from the Vietnam period.”

advertisement

<img class="img-responsive img_inline" src="http://media2.s-nbcnews.com/j/newsc...8905b8469456de118313e8.nbcnews-fp-360-360.jpg" alt="Image: Joe Bernal" title="Image: Joe Bernal" itemprop="image"/>
Veteran Joe Bernal at age 17 in Salinas, California on Sept. 1, 1945. University of Texas
Rivas-Rodriguez' project has amassed a trove of interviews and digitized photographs that are used in books, documentaries, photo exhibits and academic research. “Our mission is to create a better understanding of the Latino experience during those years,” she said.

In 2007, when Ken Burns unveiled his landmark PBS documentary on World War II – a documentary that included no depiction of Latinos – Rivas-Rodriguez protested this omission through the Defend The Honor campaign (Burns later agreed to make changes to his program). Rivas-Rodriguez says that her goal is to ensure that the contributions of Hispanic veterans are not forgotten. “We have gone beyond the call of duty, Latinos have been loyal Americans, and we should just be part of the historical record.”

In New York, filmmaker Noemi Figueroa Soulet spent nine years turning her interest in the U.S. Army’s 65th Infantry Regiment into a documentary. “The 65th Regiment was unique because it was a segregated unit, the only all-Hispanic unit in the history of the U.S. Army,” she said. “It was comprised primarily of Puerto Rican soldiers, along with continental officers. Yet when I first started researching it, I could hardly find any archival material about them – even though they served with great distinction during the Korean War,” she said. Her film, “The Borinqueneers,” premiered on PBS in 2007.

<img class="img-responsive img_inline" src="http://media4.s-nbcnews.com/j/newsc...8905b8469456de118313e8.nbcnews-fp-360-360.jpg" alt="Image: National Puerto Rican Day Parade Veteran's Tribute" title="Image: National Puerto Rican Day Parade Veteran's Tribute" itemprop="image"/>
The National Puerto Rican Day Parade in New York paid tribute to the members of the 65th Infantry with a float in June 2014. El Pozo Productions
<img class="img-responsive img_inline" src="http://media2.s-nbcnews.com/j/newsc...8905b8469456de118313e8.nbcnews-fp-360-360.jpg" alt="Image: Borinqueneers Honor Ceremony" title="Image: Borinqueneers Honor Ceremony" itemprop="image"/>
Borinqueneers Florida Honor Ceremony, Kissimmee Fl. Sept. 2013. Dennis Freytes
More recently, Soulet was involved in the successful campaign to help members of the 65th Regiment receive the Congressional Gold Medal. In June, President Obama awarded the honor to the veterans at a ceremony in Washington D.C.

Soulet said learning about ‘The Borinqueneers’ changed her life. “It gave me a greater appreciation of the sacrifices these men made. I really do see them as heroes, not only in the military but also in life. They were trailblazers. When I started I didn’t understand what it takes to be a soldier. Now I have the greatest respect for all of them.”

As Numbers Grow, Recognizing Generations Of Latino Vets - NBC News

Immigrants dear. On path to citizenship. Joining US military brightens the prospect. Here we are talking of foreign citizens who do not intend to change their citizenship.

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UAE Presidential Guard Commander Mike Hindmarsh receives an award (UAE armed forces) -

The guy on the Left is General Mike Hindmarsh, he is a retired Australian Army Officer and now leads the UAE Presidential Guards.

I think i have said enough :)

It is important to dig out reality. Social media has become a tool to promote misinformation. Neither this guy is commanding presidential guards (oh come on!) not he is receiving any award. He just delivered a speech at a seminar for counter insurgency and he is receiving a token as a momento of his participation. He works as an advisor in one of military school in UAE as was clarified by a member here on same forum.

It is not uncommon to find foreign nationals in militaries especially those who maintain close ties with other nations. It is also possible to find a foreign national employed in military. But that does not happen in combat role or roles as sensitive as protecting your head of state. I mean come on, you think UAE will employ an Australian to protect their president? Heck, they don't even have a president! They are a monarchy remember.

It is entirely possible to find foreign military advisors, Instructors', think tank members, support teams etc etc.
 
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In Bahrain there are no Pakistani pilots in the Air Force. Pakistani retired technicians and trainers are part of the team but no pilots in service that I know of. There are Bahrainis of Pakistani origin in the Army though. One of them was martyred in Yemen. May Allah protect them all.
 
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well in the deal of UAEAF 16's B-60,training was also included and the tender for 200 pilots were given to PAF if i am not wrong what happened next of that i do not know,was the training(by PAF ofc) ditched because of the sanctions imposed on Pak because of Nuclear Weapons?
NO Pakistani pilot is allowed anywhere near any of the UAE F16s bl. 60. It was a specific condition for sale of 16s to UAE. PAF pilots have flown the M2Ks but not the 16s. Currently the AF of UAE is managed entirely by locals supported by trainers from PAf but no active pilots as per my knowledge.
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I am not sure about sale of SU-35 to GCC states but there are considerable number of pilots of Pakistani origin in GCC which means that Pakistanis would be fighting the Russians in Syria. Pakistan may not have joined the coalition by sending their fighters but they joined the war indirectly. That was the most important thing that Saudis cared about.
Once a fassadi Hindian always a fassdi Hindian. You guys do not let go of any opportunity to spew venom do you? At the expense of sounding crass, PAF knows what it wants to do and not do and which fights it wants to take on or not. Our current relations with the Russians are getting better by the day and we know better than to annoy a neighbour who has held a out a hand in friendship. Your veiled inuendo has not gone unnoticed. So the next time I see another one of your smart alek posts, you are out and that is a promise!!
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NO Pakistani pilot is allowed anywhere near any of the UAE F16s bl. 60. It was a specific condition for sale of 16s to UAE. PAF pilots have flown the M2Ks but not the 16s. Currently the AF of UAE is managed entirely by locals supported by trainers from PAf but no active pilots as per my knowledge.
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In the 1970s and 80s, the UAEAF was instructed by Pakistan Air Force pilots on Dassault Mirage IIIs, the backbone of the UAEAF at the time. Even today, many of the personnel are ex-Pakistan Air Force officers and technicians. Most of the flying instructors at Al Ainare from Pakistan, training pilots using Grob G 115, Pilatus PC-7, Aermacchi MB-339, and BAE Hawk 63 aircraft. A few officers of No. 12 Squadron (Hawk 102) at Al Minhad Air Base, are also from the Pakistan Air Force. Some of these officers are on deputation (active service), but most are on civilian contracts with the Air Force Headquarters in Abu Dhabi.


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To break the bubble as for Air Force all of these have local Arabs as pilots but yes they have Pakistanis in Army
 
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What percentage of pilots in these air force are of Pakistani origin:

Kuwait = ?
Bahrain = ?
Saudi Arabia = ?
Qatar = ?
UAE = ?
Usually instructor on rotation. But, lots of PAF pilots serving European and US charter groups and airlines. But, its kinda secret and noone can give the number. Never heard if any Pakistani pilot fly KSA, F15 or Tornado. Rafale no idea. , Qatar mirage may be.
 
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oh i taught about parliment drama, bombay drama, gurdaspur drama etc etc
You proved my point by calling these events drama
I was making the exactly same point.....green lahangas see conspiracy in everything :pakistan:
 
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You proved my point by calling these events drama
I was making the exactly same point.....green lahangas see conspiracy in everything :pakistan:
:lol:your lungi is still on fire
 
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