What patriotism mean to you

[Haseebullah]

My definition of patriotism is:Using Defence.pk from a Pakistani home using a Pakistani internet service sitting on the Pakistani land.


Bottom line:Not betraying your country in the time of need.



No offense intended to Pakistani members living abroad.

 

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[Raja.Pakistani]

Thanks everyone for sharing your views

Being a responsible citizen and a good human being. In a foreign land, being true to one's roots without being jingoistic.

If you are Indian who was born in England or USA then which country you should feel more loyalty or devotion . What are the demands of patriotism here ? you should love and feel patriotic to a country where ur parent were born or you should feel patriot towards USA where you were born and getting your bread and butter? If you were born in USA but are loyal to India then are you a traitor?

Love and loyality to country in all kinds of conditions

You mean blind love, support country even if its going to do something wrong . support wrong policies of your government..support corrupt rulers or corrupt politician just because they are Pakistani. You should defend every right or wrong act of Pakistani to prove that you are real patriotic

is that what you suggest when you say support and love in all conditions ?

“Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious.”
You're not supposed to be so blind with patriotism that you can't face reality. Wrong is wrong, no matter who says it.”

Very true. Patriotism is good to a degree, until it makes the person blind to reality. I also feel that blind love for ur country is not patriotism. its just obsession. True patriotism is found in the way people lead their lives, not in how much they gloat about loving their country. what if the government of the country is corrupt and has gone to war without decent reason? Many, many people could die for an insignificant or unjust cause. Blind Patriotism could also lead to racial hatred, as in my country is much better than yours, therefore I must treat you like the underling you are.

 

[Raja.Pakistani]

My definition of patriotism is:Using Defence.pk from a Pakistani home using a Pakistani internet service sitting on the Pakistani land.

This is very narrow defination of patriotism. You have many non pakistani companies giving their services in pakistan how will you be consider patriot by using something which is not pakistani? lol

 

[jayron]

Thanks everyone for sharing your views

If you are Indian who was born in England or USA then which country you should feel more loyalty or devotion . What are the demands of patriotism here ? you should love and feel patriotic to a country where ur parent were born or you should feel patriot towards USA where you were born and getting your bread and butter? If you were born in USA but are loyal to India then are you a traitor?

It is a difficult question. But that question doesn't arise unless there is a war between the two countries. But as I was born in India and lived there the majority of my years, my loyalty is towards India. Indian people and not necessarily the Indian government. I would also base my loyalty or support to the side which i think is just.

 

[Raja.Pakistani]

It is a difficult question. But that question doesn't arise unless there is a war between the two countries. But as I was born in India and lived there the majority of my years, my loyalty is towards India. Indian people and not necessarily the Indian government. I would also base my loyalty or support to the side which i think is just.

I was saying let suppose someone is indian ( i guess i should not use word indian because you are not indian if you are not born in India) who born in usa then why he should not have feeling of patriotism for USA ? I mean if some Christian born in india you want them to be loyal to India and want them to have blind love and devotion for India. Why this rule do not apply to a Hindu born in USA. I am not talking about taking the side in wars but i am comparing the level of love and devotion for countries

I totally agree with your last statement about taking the side of country which you think is just.

 

[divya]

I was saying let suppose someone is indian ( i guess i should not use word indian because you are not indian if you are not born in India) who born in usa then why he should not have feeling of patriotism for USA ? I mean if some Christian born in india you want them to be loyal to India and want them to have blind love and devotion for India. Why this rule do not apply to a Hindu born in USA. I am not talking about taking the side in wars but i am comparing the level of love and devotion for countries

I totally agree with your last statement about taking the side of country which you think is just.

simple answer

Being hindu not= Indian
Being christian not= USA

a person sitting in US loyal to India is not loyal because he is a hindu but he is loyal because of indian roots.

 

[Jackdaws]

You guys do realize that you can be patriotic without concurring with your government and its wars. Americans who protested against America being in Vietnam, Germans who gave shelter to Jews in WW2, Indians who spoke against India being in Sri Lanka or Pakistanis who stood up for Bengalis in pre-71 Pakistan were all patriotic despite being completely opposed to their governments.

 

[jayron]

I was saying let suppose someone is indian ( i guess i should not use word indian because you are not indian if you are not born in India) who born in usa then why he should not have feeling of patriotism for USA ? I mean if some Christian born in india you want them to be loyal to India and want them to have blind love and devotion for India. Why this rule do not apply to a Hindu born in USA. I am not talking about taking the side in wars but i am comparing the level of love and devotion for countries

I totally agree with your last statement about taking the side of country which you think is just.

You are confusing religion with nationality. But most indians tend to have more affinity towards nation than religion.

 

[Raja.Pakistani]

simple answer

Being hindu not= Indian
Being christian not= USA

a person sitting in US loyal to India is not loyal because he is a hindu but he is loyal because of indian roots.

I mean American born inidan should have more love for usa than india if he is really loyal to his land/nationality which is American. His parent might have reasons to love india more than usa because they spent most of their time in india and had indian passport when they moved usa but he dont have any reason to love india more than usa except cultural reasons

If he love india more than usa because he share common culture with indians then obviously this culture has been taken from his religion which is hinduism so in other words he feel more inclined towards his culture/religion than his nationality..so patriotism demand you should have love and devotion for ur country..Is patriotism demand you should love ur roots and they are more important than your country?

 

[Raja.Pakistani]

You are confusing religion with nationality. But most indians tend to have more affinity towards nation than religion.

but not those indian who born in foreign land..for them nationality come after culture which is adopted from their religion..like holi besaki..etc

 

[jayron]

but not those indian who born in foreign land..for them nationality come after culture which is adopted from their religion..like holi besaki..etc

because they are not Indian nationals. If given a choice between celebrating holi and living in US, they would choose US.

 

[Raja.Pakistani]

because they are not Indian nationals. If given a choice between celebrating holi and living in US, they would choose US.

Holi was just one example dude. i mean same culture in sense of common thinking and ways of life,,american born indian share much more with indian in india than american

if he is patriot then he should have love for his country usa more than his parent country india? what you say he is not patriot if he feel strongly for inida more than his country usa?

 

[Kaniska]

I believe...i agree with your opinion to an extent...The word patriotism is a very conceptual term at the age where world is a global village and the location of an individual keeps changing....So the question is in what way you will define your patriotism?

- Is it loyality to the nation where you born?
- Is it loyality to the nation where you are earning your bread and butter?
- Is it loyality to the nation who patronizes and highlights your religion,culture and way of life?

Now for people who are born in one place and educated and settled in USA ...what form of patriotism is expected out of them?

 

[divya]

I mean American born inidan should have more love for usa than india if he is really loyal to his land/nationality which is American. His parent might have reasons to love india more than usa because they spent most of their time in india and had indian passport when they moved usa but he dont have any reason to love india more than usa except cultural reasons

If he love india more than usa because he share common culture with indians then obviously this culture has been taken from his religion which is hinduism so in other words he feel more inclined towards his culture/religion than his nationality..so patriotism demand you should have love and devotion for ur country..Is patriotism demand you should love ur roots and they are more important than your country?

Let me discuss the first part as in an american born confused desi if he loves india

see let me give you a example, overseas when we say my people we dont explicitly mean hindus we mean Indians and Indian cannot be defined by the word hindu... being indian has a very broad defination having ties to culture which incorporates islamic values as well as hindu values with sikhism and christianity. you will find ample Indian christians in US who still refer india to be their own.... As i said it has more to do Indianism then hinduism....

let me sort it out in a way for muslims in pakistan islam comes first and then pakistan for most of them where as in india its just opposite.