Ir.Tab.
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So lets to talk this way: How about a free of ideology government but not a westernized one!secularism is a word used by people when they want their country to become secular like west. We do not want westernised Iran.
there are problems in Iran such a having something like a supreme leader in this day and age is just not right. I mean this is not 500 Bc, back them Persia had kings like Cyrus but now 2500 years later? come on, we re suppose to move on.
So, you agree
Also in Iran people are kind of forced to be muslim, for example Muslims cannot change their religion, non-Muslims are discriminated against and so on. Islam is forced on Iranians by the regime, I am not saying there are no muslims in Iran, of course there, but there are alot of non-Mulims like myself and ALL of my friends here at uni. My mother is however religious and my father (May he R.I.P) was a non believer.
So, you agree
I have been following this forum for a while now, and I have to say Irtab jan you're someone who is trying to force his own love for turkic culture on the rest of azeri people and paint them with the same brush.
I doubt if you have only followed me! We have had lots of banned "loved to be from tabriz" members up to date!
so You yourself are not exactly a secular person are you?
So, the supporters of secularism are in need of your approval!
People in Iran are proud of their ancient Iranic culture, if you like a non-Persian culture then why do you want to force it on people of Iran? Baradar, I am half azeri myself and half shirazi but not for a second do I doubt my Iranic culture. I mean Turkic culture itself is a mixture of Persian,Indian and arab culture anyway.
I am all Turkic with Iranian nationality. Although I respect persian history, I will never get emotional with that. The concept of nationality has limited relation with history. History is very uncertain and has it's limitations. What is your problem with Turkic Iranians?
So instead of creating a thread like this asking our ideas of a secular Iran, say why you want secular Iran. You want to split Iran into Persian, azeris,Turk, lurs and others? why are you trying to create division? baradare man, You do not represent azeris, our supreme leader and many other top officials are azeri or part azeri and they do not share you view.
Is there anybody in this forum who expects Iranian supreme leader to be a supporter of secularism? The reason that our political arena is so divided today is not a forum poster but selfish attitude of the one who follows monopoly!
It seems you have been brainwashed by pan-Turkism and not long ago you threatened to back pan-turks when you and another member (Kollang) were arguing.
To prove I am a racist you should provide your supports. In recent thread in Turkish section I was accused to be an anti-Turk although I never accept that one, too.
Apparently they failed to understand if a nation covers it's problem, the problem will still exist. The only difference is that the others will solve it for them. But the interest of whom the others will consider is questionable.
To all friend who are reading this thread, remember no one is forced to stay in Iran. If They have problems with Iran, and want to act like a Turk or a westerner, then they can pack up and get out of Iran because they do not deserve to be in Iran.
Unbelievable resemblance with this:
[تهران |کاخِ نیاوران | ۱۱ اسفند ۱۳۵۳] |شاهنشاه چنین* فرمودند:
«... کسی که وارد این تشکیلات سیاسی نشود و معتقد و مومن باین ۳ اصلی که من گفتم نباشد ۲ راه برایش وجود دارد یا یک فردی است متعلق* به یک تشکیلات غیر قانونی یعنی باصطلاح خودمان* توده*ای. یعنی باز باصطلاح خودمان و با قدرت* اثبات، بی*وطن. او جایش یا در زندان ایران* است، یا اگر بخواهد فردا با کمال میل بدون* اخذ حق عوارضی، گذرنامه را در دستش می*گذاریم* و به* هر*جائی که دلش می*خواهد برود چون ایرانی* که نیست، وطن که ندارد و عملیاتش هم که قانونی* نیست، غیر قانونی است و قانون هم مجازاتش را معین کرده است...»
Iran is home of the great kuroshe kabir (Cyrus the great), he made our country great and in his memory we will not allow our culture to be changed.
Cyrus the great was part of Iran's history as the leader of persians who currently live within the borders of Iran. Iran is much more than those respectful concepts. You should revise your understanding of nationality.