What is the difference between Frigate and Destroyer

[fatman17]

one begins with F and the other with D - ok just kidding!

 

[sathruvinasakh]

The terming is actually based on ones Naval terminology and its doctrine.In the early days, the named the one with pure AA defence with limited ASW as a frigate while the one with land attack capabilities combined with AA and ASW as a destroyer.And the displacement of these is dependent again on ones naval doctrine.

For example P-15A destroyers of India are of 6900 tonne displacement with land attack,anti ship,air def,ASW everything clubbed together.
while at the same time its Shivalik class Frigates are of 5800 tonne displacement with limited land attack /antiship with effective air def/ASW

The large displacement(~9000-10000tonns)destroyers are some times termed as Cruisers

The more the displacement is,the more weapon types and weapons it can carry and more personnel for quick reaction.

 

[garibnawaz]

look at that how close israel and india are in few years time

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India’s front-line warship INS Brahmaputra has arrived on a four-day goodwill visit to this northern coastal city to reaffirm old ties with Israel. “The visit shows the importance India attaches to its relationship with Israel. Not only that, it is also fitted with the ‘state-of-the-art’ Israeli Barak missile system as the first line of defence,” vessel commander Captain Philipose G. Pynumootil told a gathering on the ship. “The enthusiasm clearly shows that the Indian ship is in friendly waters. It is not only in Israel but a part of it is also Israeli,” India’s ambassador Navtej Sarna said, referring to the Barak system. Navy officials on board told PTI that Indian warships have regularly paid visits to ports in West Asia and East Africa reaffirming their peaceful presence and solidarity with countries in the region. Among the visitors was a former commander of the old INS Brahmaputra, Jack Japheth, now an Israeli citizen settled in Tel Aviv after retirement. INS Brahmaputra, one of the Indian Navy’s finest guided missile frigate, arrived here from Eritrea. It has a versatile suite of long range sensors, incorporating radars, sonars and electronic warfare equipment that enable her to simultaneously address threats in all three dimensions — surface, sub-surface and air.When needed, she can bring to bear awesome offensive or defensive fire power, with her wide-ranging top of the line ordnance.

Its just a port call. Even Chinese and Indians do port calls each year.

In 2007 IN had a port call with Bangladesh as well.

Particular incident has nothing to do with close ties as such.

GB

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Kolkata and Kochi have yet to be fitted out, they are nowhere near active service. Which means 3 Delhi class destroyers + 5 Rajput class destroyers (of which only the newest pair will get modernized, and the oldest three will get replaced by Kolkata and het 2 sisters P15A)

And those 13 frigates include 4 very old Nilgiri class ships, with no SAM and no SSM, which will be paying off. Leaves 9 somehwat modern frigates: 3 modernized but nonetheless eldely Godavari class ships, 3 relatively new and modern Brahmaputra class and 3 Talwar class ships. Of the 6 frigates under construction, 4 will be replacements for the Nilgiris and 2 for the oldest Godavaris (which are about as old as the oldest Rajputs)

If there is mass building, then this is to replace exceedingly old units, many of which are not combat units, and not necessarily to expand the force.

Shivalik is undergoing sea trails and expected to commissioned by year end.

GB

 

[Penguin]

one begins with F and the other with D - ok just kidding!

Destroyers are warships most navies can not afford and frigates are warships most navies can barely afford (or in small numbers only).

 

[Tajdar adil]

Economicaly strong Pakistan can get any thing like a destroyer aircraft carrier nuclear subs high teck jets arm uavs.
one day Pakistani politition will destroy Pakistan because of the high rate of corruption peaceless Pakistan and a fully down Economy..
How they defend Pakistan..

 

[Manindra]

Economicaly strong Pakistan can get any thing like a destroyer aircraft carrier nuclear subs high teck jets arm uavs.
one day Pakistani politition will destroy Pakistan because of the high rate of corruption peaceless Pakistan and a fully down Economy..
How they defend Pakistan..

You dig 4 year old dead thread for posting offtopic matter.

 

[Tajdar adil]

You dig 4 year old dead thread for posting offtopic matter.

How you find this thread and post...

 

[Manindra]

How you find this thread and post...

Because it is updated in New Post Section.

 

[Ra'ad]

I'd like to use this thread to clear up my understanding of naval operations, and organisation.

For an army commander, it is easier to decide roles for his units. Armour goes forward - does the main fighting. Infantry, a more flexible type of force either accompanies armour, or drops behind enemy lines, or forms a defensive line using trenches.
Artillery provides cover fire for the fighting forces.

Now how does navy operate? All of the ships have same weapons. Only some have more weapons than others. So how would navy vessels assume their roles?

Also, for the anti-piracy operations in the indian ocean near Africa, why do nations send such large ships, when in my opinion a corvette can handle those small boats?

 

[Hulk]

This was a question I wanted to know, thanks for the posts. I have some clarity now.

 

[Neptune]

I'd like to use this thread to clear up my understanding of naval operations, and organisation.

Sure yeah...

For an army commander, it is easier to decide roles for his units. Armour goes forward - does the main fighting. Infantry, a more flexible type of force either accompanies armour, or drops behind enemy lines, or forms a defensive line using trenches.
Artillery provides cover fire for the fighting forces.

Naah...let the lady ants to keep it that way.

Now how does navy operate?

Logically, they are sails with guns moving with military formations

All of the ships have same weapons. Only some have more weapons than others. So how would navy vessels assume their roles?

Not at all. Corvettes does not have that capablity for operations such as Operation Ocean Shield or Operation Active Endavior.

FACs, Patrol Boats- They operate in coastlines. They conduct military presence over their area of responsibility

Corvette- Warships generally used for ASW, as well as patrol role. New generation corvettes usually have stealth capablity, armed with ASW armament. And a helicopter. Expected tonnage 1,500t-2,500t

Frigate(FF/FFG)- Warships having many roles. Multi purpose, ASW, AAW, C&C, They're bigger than corvettes. They can include different roles such as guided missile role. They can operate in blue waters. In blue-water navies, they are usually used for fleet escort, coastline defence. Some of them are capable of operating alone in the opens. Expected tonnage upon nato navies. Good for anti-piracy. 3,000t-7,000t.

Destroyer(DD/DDG)- Warships that do some roles of frigates alone. Fully capable of operating at both opens and oceans. fully suitable for anti-piracy, Area missile defence. Can carry land attack missiles. 7,000t-10,000t.

Cruisers (CC/CCG/CCGN), Warships similar to destroyers but do have a very large missile inventory when compared to destroyers. Suitable for Amphibious ops. 12,000t-.........t

Amphibious Ships/Aircraft Carriers (LHD/LPD/LHA/CV/CVN) They have a large deck to operate a large number of aerial units. Non-military use: humanitarian aids, evacuations...etc. Other than that, to make it easier to understand, they are floating bases.

Also, for the anti-piracy operations in the indian ocean near Africa, why do nations send such large ships, when in my opinion a corvette can handle those small boats?

With sending force to there, you don't only fight against piracy. You have a personnel to feed for months at the opens, you have a ship to fuel. Smuggling and Piracy are close things but purely different at the seas. Any other question regarding Navy?

You wanna serve for a purpose? Join the military. You wanna live your dream? Join army, air force. You wanna defend your dream? Join Navy.

 

[Thəorətic Muslim]

Why are Pakistanis always "But India has 15 destroyers and 2 Air-Craft Carriers, why does Pakistan only have 4 Frigates?"

Come on. India also has about 1.2 Billion people, Trillion $ GDP etc etc etc.

It doesn't matter about the size of your gun, but how you use it. Give a US Navy SEAL a Beretta and why not give an idiot a RPG, who will kill who first?

Stop with they have this and we have only this BullSh!t.

 

[Ra'ad]

Thanks! Its all clear now. Just one more thing. About the turkish corvette Milgem, the one which pakistan intends to buy too, what is its role for turkey? Coastal defence? And would it do the same job with pakistan too?

 

[Neptune]

Thanks! Its all clear now. Just one more thing. About the turkish corvette Milgem, the one which pakistan intends to buy too, what is its role for turkey? Coastal defence? And would it do the same job with pakistan too?

alright jack. First, there's a wrong statement known by public. MILGEM is the name of the corvette and frigate project. The true name is Ada-class corvette. It's a stealth ASW corvette used by Northern Sea Area Command. Not much a coastal defence. It's used for patrol purposes. Ships from the class: F-511 Heybeliada is attached under Turkish led BLACSEAFOR's command. And the newly joined ship F-512 Büyükada is just accepted by the Naval Force Command. Nobody knows yet where is she deployed.

 

[Penguin]

I'd like to use this thread to clear up my understanding of naval operations, and organisation.

For an army commander, it is easier to decide roles for his units. Armour goes forward - does the main fighting. Infantry, a more flexible type of force either accompanies armour, or drops behind enemy lines, or forms a defensive line using trenches.
Artillery provides cover fire for the fighting forces.

Now how does navy operate? All of the ships have same weapons. Only some have more weapons than others. So how would navy vessels assume their roles?

Also, for the anti-piracy operations in the indian ocean near Africa, why do nations send such large ships, when in my opinion a corvette can handle those small boats?

I think you post is best anwered by reference to "staying power", whatever that means in different scenario's. Some ships have it and others don't.

A meaningful navy has ships more substantial than FACs and OPVs. Corvettes are the smalles multirole combattants. Frigates are bigger and better, but tend toward ASW and ASuW, while yet larger destoyers tend to AAAW. Few navies can do better e.g. by adding a carrier.
You can send a big *** destroyer for anti-piracy but another type of ship may be more cost-effective to send.