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What is Salafism? (the Wahabi myth)

Back to discussing Salafism please.

As I said, trying to show that an ideology is flawed just because a society is purportedly practicing that ideology and the systems it advocates is not a valid approach to analyzing an ideology.
 
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Back to discussing Salafism please.

As I said, trying to show that an ideology is flawed just because a society is purportedly practicing that ideology and the systems it advocates is not a valid approach to analyzing an ideology.

Agree with that. But it at least helps understand which aspects of the ideology are not practiced correctly and why, whether there is a built-in self-correcting mechanism to correct them, how it is functioning in those societies and how the other societies that adapt them can avoid the same mistakes.
 
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How about we start off with a basic article explaining exactly what the Beliefs of Salafism are?
 
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. But it at least helps understand which aspects of the ideology are not practiced correctly and why, whether there is a built-in self-correcting mechanism to correct them, how it is functioning in those societies and how the other societies that adapt them can avoid the same mistakes.
Certainly - for example turning to the housing market crisis, commodities speculation etc. can serve as a good exercise in highlighting certain flaws in capitalism and the free market.

However, as Flintlock said, I think we need to start of with an understanding of what Salafism represent and what kind of systems it advocates (with the requisite checks and balances, if any) before we can use examples from current nations or societies that may or may not be implementing Salfism in varying degrees.
 
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Several, but lets skip that for the moment.



Er...just a quick update....the caste system has been banned in India, and consequently within Hinduism. No religious leader in India is seen openly endorsing the caste system.
If it is still practiced today, its a hangover from earlier times.

As far as worshipping rats or pouring milk over a rock is concerned, there is nothing illegal/harmful about that. Atleast there is nothing more harmful in that than repeatedly walking around a black building and flogging yourself with whips.

You know nothing about hinduism. There are over 1000 different sects in Hinduism, and I daresay that the beliefs of some of these sects are far more "logical",than any Islamic ones, even philosophical.

What is funny about this is that I simply took your post and changed the word Islam to Hindu or Hinduism and made some minor changes to the wording to reflect the Hindu situation and you seem to have gotten offended. I guess you post was offensive then huh? I say this because there is no point in my discussing Islam with you or with Flintlock since there is a saying that goes something like this ,"Summum Bukmum Umyun Fahum La Yar ji'ún" and I believe this applies to both of you wholeheartedly. Besides, since you have decided to do thë "I'm not talking to you anymore" routine....there is nothing for you to do on this thread except....well...I'm not quite sure...but knock yourself out.
 
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No offense is intended to anyone with this post. I would also ask others to respect the subject of this thread and not just try to hurl insults, divert from the subject, or make ridiculous arguments and expect to be responded to since the purpose of this thread is simply to clear misconceptions about Salafiism among Muslims. I will be very straight forward and say that I have absolutely no interest in discussing this with the many Indians (not all) on this thread who clearly have another agenda...please stop trying to throw dirt just because you dislike a segment of the Muslim population.


Introduction
The Salafi Da'wah is that of the Qur'an and the Sunnah. It is the Religion of Islam - pure and free from any additions, deletions or alterations. It is to adhere to the Path of the Messenger (sallallahu 'alaihi wa sallam) and of the True Believers (as-Salaf us-Salih). As-Salaf is a collective term referring to the Pious Pioneers in Islam and all those who follow in their footsteps in belief, actions and morals.
Allah has said (what means): Whoever contends with and contradicts the Messenger after guidance has been clearly conveyed to him, and follows a path other than that of the Faithful Believers, We shall leave him in the Path he has chosen and land him in Hell, what an evil destination! [An Nisa 4:115].

Shaikh ul-lslam ibn Taymiyyah (rahimahullah) commented on this ayah: "All who contradict and oppose the Messenger (S), after the right path has been clearly shown to them, have followed other than the Path of the Believers. And all who follow other than the Path of the Believers have contradicted and opposed the Messenger (S). If one thinks that he is mistaken in following the Path of the Faithful Believers, he is in the same position as one who thinks that he is mistaken in following the Messenger (S)."

Who are the "Salaf?"
As-Salaf us-Salih (or briefly: the Salaf) refers to the first and best three generations of Muslims. They are the Companions (Sahabah) of the Prophet (S), their immediate followers (Tabiun), and the followers of the Tabi'in. These were praised by the Prophet (S): The best of people is my generation, then those who come after them, then those who come after them [Bukhari and Muslim]. The term Salaf applies also to the Scholars of Ahl us-Sunnah wal-Jama'ah after the first three blessed generations who followed their way in belief and practices.
Allah (T) said (what means): The first to embrace Islam of the Muhajirin (those who migrated from Makkah to al-Madinah in obedience to Allah) and the Ansar (the citizens of al-Madinah who gave aid to the Muhajirin), and also those who follow them in the best way; Allah is well pleased with them, and they are with Him [At-Tawbah 9:100].

Among these scholars are (the number following the name is the Hijri year of death): Abu Hanifah (150), al-Awzai (157), ath-Thawn (161), al-Laith bin Sad (175), Malik bin Anas (179). Abdullah bin al-Mubarak (181), Sufyan bin 'Uyainah (198), ash-Shafi'i (204), Is'haq (238), Ahmad bin Hanbal (241), al-Bukhari (256), Muslim (261), Abu Dawud (275), Ibn Taymiyyah (728), adth-Dthahabi (748), Ibn ul-Qayyim (751), Ibn Kathir (774), Muhammad bin 'Abdil Wahhab (1206) and his many students, and, in our time: 'Abd ul-'Aziz bin Baz, Muhammad Nasir ud-Din al-Albani and others.

Who are the "Salafis?"
The description "Salafi" applies to one who truly attaches himself to the Salaf. This attachment is not to an arbitrary single person or group of people. It is an attachment to that which will never err - to the guidance of Muhammad (S), his Sahabai, and their true followers. Likewise, Salafiyyah (the Salafi Da'wah) is not blind following of any particular Shaikh or Imam. It is adherence to the Qur'an and Sunnah as understood and practiced collectively by as-Salaf as-Salih. A true Salafi values Tawhid, singling out Allah in all acts of worship: in supplication, in seeking aid, in seeking refuge in times of ease and hardship, in sacrifice, in making vows, in fearing and hoping and total reliance, and so on. A true Salafi actively seeks to remove shirk (polytheism) with all his capacity. He knows that victory is not possible without true Tawhid, and that shirk cannot be fought with the likes of it (i.e., with another form of shirk). A true Salafi adheres to the Sunnah of the Prophet (S) and of his companions after him.
The Prophet (S) said, Adhere very closely to my Sunnah and the Sunnah of the rightly guided successors after me; bite on to it with your molar teeth, and beware of the newly invented matters. [Authentic; recorded by Abu Dawud and at-Tirmidthi. Whenever there is a difference of opinion, a true Salafi refers matters to Allah and His Prophet (S), acting in accordance with the ayah: If you differ in anything among yourselves, refer it to Allah and His Messenger if you do believe in Allah and the Last Day, that is better and more suitable for final determination [An-Nisa 4:59]. He gives precedence to the Word of Allah and of His Prophet (S) over the opinion of anyone else, in according with the ayah: Believers! Do not put your opinions forward ahead of Allah and His Messenger, and fear Allah. Verily Allah is All-Hearing and All-Knowing. [Al-Hujurat 49:1].

A true Salafi revives the Sunnah of the Prophet (S) in his worship and behavior. This makes him a stranger among people, as the Prophet (S) has described: Islam began as a stranger, and it will revert to being a stranger just as it began. So give glad tidings to the strangers. [Recorded by Muslim]. And he (S) said in another narration: So give glad tidings to the few, those who purify and correct what the people have corrupted of my Sunnah. [Authentic; al-Albani's as-Silsilat us-Sahihah number 1273].

A true Salalfi enjoins the good and forbids the evil. He warns people, out of deep concern, about shirk, innovations, misguided ways, and of deviant, destructive groups: Let there arise out of you a band of people inviting to all that is good, enjoining what is right and forbidding what is wrong [Aal Imran 3: 104].

A true Salafi constantly seeks Allah's forgiveness, makes true repentance, remembers Allah abundantly, and rushes to perform the righteous deeds in order to purify his soul. Thus he attempts to follow the ayah: Truly he succeeds who purifies it (i.e., the soul) [Ash-Shams 91:8].

A true .Salafi worships Allah out of a combination of Fear, Hope and Love. Allah says (what means): Call upon Him, with Fear and Hope. [Al-Araf 7:56]. And He says (what means): There are people who take [for worship] alleged rivals to Allah, loving them as only Allah should be loved. But the Believers love Allah more than all else. [Al-Baqarah 2:165].

A true Salafi is not of the Khawarij who consider most Muslims to be kafirs (disbelievers) because of committing sins. He is not of the Shiah who revile the Sahabah, who claim that the Qur'an has been altered, who reject the authentic Sunnah, and who worship the Prophet's Family. He is not of the Qadariyyah who deny qadar (the Divine Decree). He is not of the murjiah who claim that iman is only words without deeds. He is not of the Mu'attilah who deny Allah's Attributes. He is not of the Sufis who worship graves and claim Divine incarnation. He is not of the Muqallidun who insist that every Muslim should adhere to the Madth'hab (understanding) of a particular imam or shaikh, even when that madth'hab conflicts with the clear texts of the Qur'an or authentic Sunnah.


The Fundamental Principles of the Salafi Da'wah
The Salafi Da'wah stands upon the principles of Tawhid and Tazkiyah.
Tawhid
Tawhid means to accept and believe in the oneness of Allah (T) and in the uniqueness of His Message. It means to worship Allah (T) alone, and to worship Him in accordance with His legislation. Tawhid encompasses the following principles:
To believe in Allah's existance and ownership of the creation, which is sometimes referred to as the Tawhid of Rububiyyah (Allah's being the only True Lord or Rabb). Allah (T) says (what means): Praise be to Allah (T) the Lord of the Worlds. [Al-Fatihah 1:2]. And He says (what means): Allah is the Creater of all things, and He is in charge of all things. [Ash-Shura 42:11].
To believe that Allah possesses the attributes of perfection and the Most Excellent Names, as mentioned in the Qur'an and authentic Sunnah, and in accordance to their literal Arabic meanings without denial of these attributes or likening them to the attributes of His creation. This is sometimes referred to as the Tawhid of Asma' and Sifaat (Names and Attributes). Allah (T) says (what means): Say: He is Allah the One, Allah the Self Sufficient Master (whom all creatures need). He begets not, nor was He begotten. And there is nothing comparable to Him. [Al-Ikhlas 112:1-4]. And Allah also says (what means): There is nothing like unto Him, and He is the All-Hearer, the All-Seer. [Ash-Shuirai 42:1 1 ].
To believe that Allah is the only one worthy of worship and full obedience, which is sometimes referred to as the Tawhid of 'Ubudiyyah or 'Ibadah (worship), or of llahiyyah or Uluhiyyah (state of being the only True God or Ilah). Allah says (what means): And the Mosques are for Allah (alone) so do not invoke anyone along with Allah. [Al-Jinn 72:18]. and He says: Whoever looks forward to meeting his Lord, let him do righteous deeds, and let him not ascribe unto anyone a share in the worship due to his Lord [alone]. [Al-Kahf 18:110].
To believe in the uniqueness of Prophet Muhammad's (S) Message and in the obligation to follow him exclusively. This is sometimes referred to as the Tawhid of Ittiba (adherence). Allah (T) said (what means): Say [Mubammad]: If you really do love Allah then follow me, Allah will love you and forgive you your sins. Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. [Al-Imran 3:31].
The Salafi Manhaj (methodology) maintains that these forms of Tawhid are inseparable from one another. They are the essence of the meaning of the testimony: "La ilaiha illa 'Llah, Muhammadun Rasulu 'Llah" (There is none worthy of being worshipped except Allah, and Muhammad is Allah's Messenger). The Salafi methodology places special emphasis on the Tawhid of Ittiba' because of the general tendency among many Muslims to neglect it. Thus it emphasizes the following items.
Belief that the revelation to the Prophet (S) is the final revelation, and that it is composed of two complementary and inseparable parts: the Qur'an and the Sunnah. The Prophet (S) said: I have indeed been given the Quran and, along with it, something similar to it. [Authentic; recorded by Abu Dawud and ad-Darimi]. And he (S) said: As long as you hold fast to two things which I have left among you, you will never go astray: Allah's Book and my Sunnah. [Authentic; recorded by al-Hakim].
Belief that obedience to the Messenger must be absolute, and that his position is unapproachable by anyone else among humanity. The Prophet (S) is alone to be obeyed and followed. All beliefs, statements, deeds and morals which conflict with his teachings are to be rejected and avoided. Believers! Obey Allah and His Messenger and do not turn away from him when you hear (his Message). [Al-Anfal 8:20].
Directing perfect love to Prophet Muhammad (S), which should be exhibited in adherence to his commands, swiftness in obeying him, putting his statements above and ahead of all others, studying his Sirah, and studying and implementing his Sunnah in everyday life. The Prophet (S) has said: None of you believes until I become more beloved to him than his father, child and all mankind. [Recorded by Muslim].
It is unfortunate that true adherence to the Way of the Prophet (S) has weakened in the Ummah and true love for him has all but disappeared because of:
Abandoning his Sunnah and removing it from our daily lives, belittling it, and developing an attitude of pride and arrogance toward it.
The spread of numerous unsubstantiated and fabricated hadiths among Muslims.
The spread of many bid'ahs (innovations) among Muslims.
Blind following of a specific madth'hab (Taqlid).
Delivering Islamic verdicts without knowledge or evidence.
Ceasing to implement the Shari'ah (Islamic laws) throughout the lands of Islam and replacing it by the ways and laws of the Kuffar (disbelievers).
Tazkiyah
Tazkiyah, on the other hand, means to be purified or to purify oneself by adhering to Allah's commands. In its best form, it would be to worship Him with complete surrender, submission, and devotion. This is a great favor that Allah (T) bestowed on this Urnmah. Allah did confer a great favor upon the believers when He sent a Messenger (i.e., Muhammad (S)) from amongst themselves reciting unto them His signs (i.e., the Quran) and purifying them (from sins and ignorance by adopting his way) and instructing them in the Book (the Quran) and Wisdom (the Sunnah) while before they had been in manifest error. [Al 'Imran 3:164]. The following points should help clarify the true meaning of Tazkiyah.
The Qur'an and Sunnah are the only sources for Tazkiyah.
The Prophet (S) is the purest of mankind in his soul. His character reflected the teachings of the Qur'an. Therefore, he is our model for Tazkiyah. Allah says (what means): Indeed in the Messenger of Allah is a beautiful pattern of conduct to follow for anyone whose hopes lie in Allah and the Last Day and who remembers Allah abundantly. [Al-Ahzab 33:21].
The Prophet's Companions and the rest of the Salaf are, as a group, a fine model to be followed in Tazkiyah.
There is no way of drawing closer to Allah except by adhering to what Prophet Muharnmad (S) came with. The Prophet (S) has said: If anyone introduces into this affair of ours (i.e., the religion of Islam) anything which does not belong to it, it will be rejected from him. [Recorded by Muslim].
There is no way to attain Tazkiyah but through the teachings of Islam. Allah says (what means): O you who believe! Enter into Islam wholeheartedly (i.e., obey all the regulations of Allah and His Messenger) and follow not the footsteps of Shaytan. Verily! He is to you an open enemy. [Al-Baqarah 2:208]. Thus there can be no Tazkiyah through deviant approaches of various groups, such as the Sufis who have corrupted the beliefs and practices of the Muslims.
The Salafi Manhaj represents the true exemplification of piety. It is Iman without hypocrisy, purity without corruption.
The Aims and Objectives of the Salafi Da'wah
The Salafi Da'wah is not a political party or a new madth'hab. Rather, the Salafi da'wah is that of Islam in its totality, addressing all humanity irrespective of culture, race, or color. It is the complete and perfect methodology of understanding Islam and acting according to its teachings.
Consequently, the aims of the Salafi Da'wah are no different than those of the Da'wah of Islam. Therefore the Salafis remain distinct from the various sects and groups in the way and methodology of their Da'wah. They call to Islam as a whole - to its correct understanding and implementation. Misguided groups and deviant sects emphasize and call to particular aspects of Islam, thereby neglecting its other aspects to suit their own needs, as well as losing sight of the purpose and perspective for which they have been created; which is, as Allah has stated (meaning): I have not created Jinn and people except (for this purpose): that they may worship Me. [Adth-Dthariyat 51:56]. And He has said (what means): And they were not commanded except with this: that they should worship Allah (alone), being sincere in His Din and being Hanifs (upright, true and conscientiously turning away from Shirk). [Al-Bayyinah 98:5]. This, in essence, is the call of all the Prophets: calling to the Tawhid of Allah, to the annihilation of shirk, to sincerity in His worship, to obedience to His Messengers, and to adherence to their way. This is also the essence of the Salafi Da'wah. This can further be itemized into the following practical objectives:

Return to the sublime Qur'an and to the Prophet's authentic Sunnah, and comprehend them both in accordance with the understanding and practice of as-Salaf: This conforms with what Allah (T) said (what means): If anyone contends with the Messenger even after the Guidance has been plainly conveyed to him, and follows a path other than that of the believers, We shall leave him in the path he has chosen, and land him in Hell: What an evil abode! [An-Nisa 4:115]. And: So if they believe as you believe (the companions of the Messenger (S)), they are indeed on the right path. [Al-Baqarah 2:137].
Caution Muslims and exhort them to cleanse their lives of all forms of: shirk (polytheism), bid'ahs, and philosophy or other thoughts alien to the pure, essential tenets of Islam. This is a duty that Allah (T) enjoined upon us: Help you one another in righteousness and piety, but do not help one another in sinning and transgression. [Al-Maidah 5:2].
Cleanse the Sunnah of the weak and fabricated narrations. The problems referred to in this and the previous point have marred the clarity of Islam and have prevented the progress of Muslims. This puts on us the responsibility referred to by the Messenger (S): A trustworthy group from every generation will carry this knowledge, expelling from it the alterations made by those going beyond bounds, and the false claims of the liars, and the misinterpretations of the ignorant. [Authentic recorded by Ibn Adiyy and others].
Educate Muslims and urge them to comply with the true Din, to act according to its teachings, and to adorn themselves with its virtues and ethics. This will ensure Allah's acceptance and will realize for them happiness and honor, as indicated in the following: By the passing time, man is indeed in [a state of] loss, except those who attain to faith and do good deeds, and those who enjoin upon one another the keeping to truth, and enjoin upon one another patience in adversity. [Al 'Asr 103:1-3].
Strive to revive Islamic thought within the boundaries of Islamic principles, and oppose stubborn adherence to madth'habs and prejudiced loyalty to parties. These problems have diverted Muslims from the pure original sources of Islam, and have deviated them from the honest Islamic brotherhood called to by Allah: And hold fast all together, by the rope of Allah, and be not divided among yourselves. [Al 'Imran 3:103]. And by His Messenger (S): Be, worshippers of Allah, one brethren. [Al Bukhari and Muslim].
Present realistic Islamic solutions to contemporary problems, and strive to resume a true Islamic way of life and to establish a true Islamic society governed by Allah's law. Allah (T) said: Hence, judge between them in accordance with what Allah has revealed, and do not follow their errant views. [Al-Maidah 5:49].
We call upon all Muslims to support us in carrying out this noble trust which will surely elevate and honor them and spread the eternal message of Islam all over earth. Allah (T) has promised this, and His promise is surely true: He it is who has sent forth His Messenger with [the task of spreading] guidance and the religion of truth, in order to make it prevail over all [false] religion, however hateful this may be to those who ascribe divinity to aught but Allah. [As-Saff 61:9]
Misconceptions about the Salafi Da'wah
There following are is a number of misconceptions about the Salafi Da'wah:
Calling as-Salafiyyah a "movement" or "movements." It should be clear to all that the Salafi Da'wah is Islam, no more and no less. It is the True Islam with all its teachings and implications. Anyone who talks about it as an outsider might as well talk about Islam as an outsider! It is the teachings of the Qur'an and the authentic Sunnah in the light of practices and understanding of as-Salaf: A "movement" is meant to indicate something temporal or reactionary, whereas the Salafi Da'wah is the only true and constant and blessed Da wah of the prophets.
Thinking or claiming that the Salafs are followers of a fifth madth'hab which is attributed to Ibn Taymiyyah or Ibn Baz or al-Albani. This is a grave misconception. As stated above, the Salaf sources are the Qur an, the Sunnah, and the methodology of as-Salaf: If these scholars rely in their ijtihad on these sources then we take what they say, not because they said it, rather because Allah or His Messenger said it or called to it directly or indirectly through the known channels of ijtihad. The same applies to all scholars throughout the ages. We take from them all what conforms with the Qur'an and the Sunnah and we reject what does not.
The Salaf Da'wah is against all forms of 'asabiyyah and hizbiyyah (baseless allegiance for parties, factions, races, nations, etc). The only allowed allegiance is to Allah and His Messenger and to what stems from it. The leader of all Salafis is Muhammad (S). Anyone else will be respected and obeyed in as much as he obeys Allah and His Messenger. Claiming that the Salafi Da'wah calls its followers to be disorganized and chaotic in their behavior is another misconception. Work has to be organized and orderly, as was taught by the Messenger (S) on many occasions, but it should avoid the hizbiyyah disease described above.
The Salafi Da'wah puts a strong emphasis on tarbiyah (education and cultivation). This is not a mere academic educational process; rather, it is a complete process which is meant to raise committed Muslims who understand their Din and who practice it in the best possible way.
We ask Allah (ta'ala) to guide us to the truth, to steady our feet, and to forgive our shortcomings.
 
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Back to the subject please, and lets forget the acrimony and ask and answer questions with civility please.

Thanks for posting that information Zyxius.
 
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I feel sorry for AM, having to keep stopping you guys.

No, so I still don't get it.
Does that mean that what's in Saudi Arabia is (more or less, meant to be) Salafism?
Or that Zia was a Salafi?
 
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Let us look at the other side of the hill.

Any comments on this:

The Deception of the Devious Salafi Sect

Definitive Wahhabi Profile

I am not posting what is written, but it does indicate that the Salafis are not the sole custodians of purity and pristine form of Islam.

Salim,

Lets ask you this. If you put up a thread to discuss the misconceptions of Hinduism on an Indian site and a Muslim from Pakistan comes to that site and posts something that says, "The deviousness of the Hindus" and the rest of what you said except replacing Salafi or Islam with Hindu....would that not look to you like this Muslim hates you people and is just doing that to throw mud around? Because this is what is looks like you are doing here by saying what you are. You went out of your way to search and find a post from someone on another forum that uses the word "deviousness" ....because that is what caught your eye and that is what you wanted to show.....and this shows that you have absolutely no tolerance for this major group of Muslims that numbers in the hundreds of millions.

You are a retired Indian army man and you took the quotes of an extreme group of Shiites who dislike Salafis to make your own point here. So in effect, you sought to make your point by exploiting a Shiite-Sunni divide. A very very cheap trick and has been used countless times....and I'm sure everyone reading this can agree that you should be ashamed of yourself for introducing this kind of dialogue into what is supposed to be a thread on CLEARING MISCONCEPTIONS.

You seem to want to paint ALL people who adhere to this school of thought as devious and dangerous and that is intolerant your part considering that we're talking about a hundred of million (if not hundreds of millions) of people. I think you need to evaluate this hatred you feel and get a check on it. In your golden years I would think that you would want more harmony and understanding to take up your time rather than anger and hatred.
 
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I feel sorry for AM, having to keep stopping you guys.

No, so I still don't get it.
Does that mean that what's in Saudi Arabia is (more or less, meant to be) Salafism?
Or that Zia was a Salafi?

I feel sorry for the mods too....some subjects just attract all the haters.

Saudi Arabia is not what Salafiism is meant to be, neither was the Taliban, neither is Pakistan. Again, it is something that we aspire to and we hope to establish somewhere in the world where it will gain mass acceptance. Think of it this way, Salafis are the ultimate deniers of bidat...which means BS introduced into the religion. There cannot be a King, there cannot be arbitrary punishments or rulings...there must be a proper constitution ad rule of law...it is a welfare state that provides the basic health, education, shelter and livelihood for every single citizen...it is more like Canada in many respects, except that rather than be based on Judaeo-Christian laws, it would be based in Islamic law.

People tend to have preconceived notions of what all of this means and what Islamic law particularly means....it has been terribly maligned. Some important values that the state MUST adhere to....

The state is responsible for the welfare of all citizens...just like Canada
All religions have the freedom to practice their religion, except those who espouse hatred against Islam.
Citizenship would be open to all Muslims and non-Muslims alike. The idea behind the Statue of Liberty, "Give us your poor, your needy..etc"...this is very much what a proper Islamic state would be like...it would provide refuge to the worlds poor, down-trodden and those who are escaping persecution.
It would be home to all ethnicities and colors of the world.
It would allow private ownership of property and would protect private property in every way, from land to innovative ideas.
It would not use fiat money and would not run a debt based economy.
It would prohibit fractional reserve banking.
It would prohibit interest based transactions and would instead establish a system based on risk and profit sharing. There would be no such thing as securities that are not asset backed.
Women would be allowed to drive, go to school, work, vote, hold office, do business, marry/divorce, own property, etc Anyone who abuses his wife would be lashed publicly if convicted by a court of law.
Habeas Corpus laws are very much in line with Islamic laws...and they could never be violated by anyone. Frivolous law suits would be looked upon as slandering someone's good name and the person who carried out the frivolous law suit may end up facing court himself.
There is so much more....but I am sure that people have preconceived notions that they would rather hold on to. It will take time before there is enough momentum behind this to make a difference once again.
 
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Is there any statistics available on the number of Salafis?

The claim of 100 million does look exaggerated. Their numbers in the most populous Muslim countries of the subcontinent and SE Asia is negligible. Afghanistan and Iran also don't follow it as also the Central Asian Islamic states and most of Africa and Turkey.

So we are more or less left with the Arabic world. Do they have 100 million or rather 100s of millions Salafis? Any links?
 
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Is there any statistics available on the number of Salafis?

The claim of 100 million does look exaggerated. Their numbers in the most populous Muslim countries of the subcontinent and SE Asia is negligible. Afghanistan and Iran also don't follow it as also the Central Asian Islamic states and most of Africa and Turkey.

So we are more or less left with the Arabic world. Do they have 100 million or rather 100s of millions Salafis? Any links?

I dont understand what you are trying to prove. You and Salim keep showing up on threads related to Islam to throw in Red Herring arguments or to quote extremist groups to throw in controversy into these discussions. On top of that, you already said on this thread that you will not respond to me and before that you said you will not post on this thread and then you decided to ignore me and now you are back here to throw in another Red Herring argument.

The number of Salafis in the world is not being discussed here....the subject is the misconceptions about Salafiism and you can please stop trying play innocent while coming back again and again with the same bag of tricks. Try doing something more constructive with your time and stop trying to go out of your way to disrupt what is supposed to be a straight forward discussion on what are the misconceptions about Salafiism.
 
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"Saudi Arabia is not what Salafiism is meant to be, neither was the Taliban, neither is Pakistan. Again, it is something that we aspire to and we hope to establish somewhere in the world where it will gain mass acceptance."

I have a certain sympathy for what Zyxius is trying to do here, not because I have Salafist leanings, but because conservative Western boards tend to treat any discussion on Islam with pretty much with the same hostility that Zyxius is putting up with here, from both Pakistani and Indian posters.

Many of you have probably been on forums and threads on Islam where Islam is projected as synonymous with what the Taliban imposed in Afghanistan, or the Saudi regime, or the Iranian Ayatollah's.

Please understand that equating Salafism automatically with the Saudi or taliban system is probably just as frustrating for Zyxius to deal with.

I think Zyxius's quote above, and his post #26 clarify how his interpretation/view of Salafist ideology differs from what is practiced in Saudi Arabia.
 
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^^ Don't take anything personally. It is an open forum. Any question is not necessarily directed towards you. And don't make ridiculous statements please.

There have been many claims about the numbers of Salafis on this thread mainly made by you. They range from 100 million to 100s of millions.

It is very much a valid question for you to back up your claims. Else just admit that it is nothing more than a personal claim with no data to back it up.
 
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