What is MbS doing that enables KSA to work with USA, China and Russia simultaneously on

[ArabianEmpires&Caliphates]

Mandaeasim

Really? Extremely rare to see people following ancient pre-Abrahamic (themselves Semitic) Semitic religions nowadays. Always had great interest in the minority groups that do due to the historical aspect of those religions. Correct me if I am wrong but Mandeans are a very small community. Some 100.000 people.

Are you from Southern Iraq like 99,9% of all Mandeans are?

You guys look almost exactly like Najdis.





Or ISIS militants with those beards.

Reminds me of the tiny minority of indigenous Samaritans in modern-day Israel.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samaritans

 

[Wilhelm II]

Really? Extremely rare to see people following ancient pre-Abrahamic Semitic religions nowadays. Always had great interest in the minority groups that do due to the historical aspect of those religions. Correct me if I am wrong but Mandeans are a very small community. Some 100.000 people.

Are you from Southern Iraq like 99,9% of all Mandeans are?

You guys look almost exactly like Najdis.





Or ISIS militants with those beards.

Reminds me of the tiny minority of indigenous Samaritans in modern-day Israel.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samaritans

They are good people and a treasure for ME history and monotheism religions

 

[ArabianEmpires&Caliphates]

They are good people and a treasure for ME history and monotheism religions

Well, you don't need to convince me of that brother. I am a very big proponent of not harming our indigenous Semitic populations and minorities. In fact at times I wish that there were more indigenous minorities in Arabia like in the old days. I mean indigenous communities of Christians, Jews, Hanifs, believers of ancient pre-Abrahamic Semitic religions etc. Not because they could be a fifth column and "Western or Eastern puppets" like many Christians in the region are for instance but just as a living heritage if anything. Of course that living heritage is us (the people) regardless of religion but you get my point.

 

[Wilhelm II]

Well, you don't need to convince me of that brother. I am a very big proponent of not harming our indigenous Semitic populations and minorities. In fact at times I wish that there were more indigenous minorities in Arabia like in the old days. I mean indigenous communities of Christians, Jews, Hanifs, believers of ancient pre-Abrahamic Semitic religions etc. Not because they could be a fifth column and "Western or Eastern puppets" like many Christians in the region are for instance but just as a living heritage if anything. Of course that living heritage is us (the people) regardless of religion but you get my point.

Sorry if I upset you
I have poor English language sometimes I make mistakes but not from my mind

 

[Nein]

Well, let us pray and hope that MbS like Bismarck manages to reunite the Arabian peninsula. Almost an impossible task in this day and era, even more so given the strong opposition this would be met by from the superpower that is the US (and practically everyone else, dare I say that not even China or Russia would be in favor, certainly not Russia alone due to the oil and gas monopoly) but he has my support. At least the ground work for turning the GCC (could be expanded with Iraq, should be naturally in fact, Yemen, Jordan etc.) into a federal union. After that, some decades into the future, the royal families (in a perfect world, obviously depending on the performance of the voters) could elect some kind of civilian government. Each royal family could then rule for a limited period 2-3 months each year. So power would change hands. The "ruling king" would just be a symbolic/father figure.



Bismarck did not do anything special. He united tiny Germany and the 300's of princely states while already being (Prussia) the foremost power (centuries before that). Without any outside interference or challenge. KSA could easily do the same with the neighborhood but a certain country name USA would get angry to put it mildly.
Later for him (Bismarck) to embark on a campaign against a weak and demolished France. German colonial possessions were tiny compared even to the freaking newly created (united) Italian state. I would have mentioned quite a few historical personalities before him but I understand the comparison if @Wilhelm II (Prussia again?) was referring to GCC eventually uniting into a single state.

Lmaoo did you just say MBS is more superior to Bismarck.

 

[ArabianEmpires&Caliphates]

Lmaoo did you just say MBS is more superior to Bismarck.

Is your one-liner the result of what you deducted from my posts and the post that you just quoted which everyone can read?

Sorry if I upset you
I have poor English language sometimes I make mistakes but not from my mind

 

[dani92]

Really? Extremely rare to see people following ancient pre-Abrahamic Semitic religions nowadays. Always had great interest in the minority groups that do due to the historical aspect of those religions. Correct me if I am wrong but Mandeans are a very small community. Some 100.000 people.

Are you from Southern Iraq like 99,9% of all Mandeans are?

You guys look almost exactly like Najdis.





Or ISIS militants with those beards.

Reminds me of the tiny minority of indigenous Samaritans in modern-day Israel.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samaritans

Yes I was born in Baghdad but my family are from father side are from nasiryia(ur) and my mother family are from maysan(meshan) which both are ancient mandarin cities. My mother said that some of the sumerians and ancient Egyptians were mandaens not sure but according to us abraham was mandaean from ur and the Egyptian king Akhenaten converted or influenced by mandaeism hence why he called from the worship of one god also I think the daughter of Nebuchadnezzar II converted to mandaeism and reached the level of priest(not exactly sure). As for our looks majority of us look typical Semitic people but some of us like my uncle’s wife family they have blonde hair with blue and green eyes

 

[ArabianEmpires&Caliphates]

Yes I was born in Baghdad but my family are from father side are from nasiryia(ur) and my mother family are from maysan(meshan) which both are ancient mandarin cities. My mother said that some of the sumerians and ancient Egyptians were mandaens not sure but according to us abraham was mandarin from ur and the Egyptian king Akhenaten converted or influenced by mandaeism hence why he called from the worship of one god also I think the daughter of Nebuchadnezzar II converted to mandaeism and reached the level of priest(not exactly sure). As for our looks majority of us look typical Semitic people but some of us like my uncle’s wife family they have blonde hair with blue and green eyes

Interesting. There are not many Mandeans left in Iraq nowadays are there? Not an expert about Mandeans but Wikipedia says 10.000? Is that an accurate number in your eyes?

There were Mandeans in Northern and Eastern KSA once as well.

In reality all the pre-Abrahamic (themselves Semitic) Semitic religions are closely intertwined. Similar beliefs. That is why you can find similar religious heritage (uncovered) from Syria to Yemen and from Oman to Egypt.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Semitic_religion

Of course it goes without saying that the religions of our ancestors are the oldest recorded religions in the world.

I read some time ago that there is an entire separate study in theology that studies the links of pre-Abrahamic Semitic religions with the Abrahamic religions. That is why ancient Akkadian, Aramaic etc. is also studied in such studies.

It is also important for historians for obvious reasons to understand the world's first recorded civilizations and cultures.

So that is what I mean with the Semitic minorities of the Arab world being "living heritage" in many ways and the main reason why I would hate to see them get extinct.

If the earliest Muslims 1400 years ago did not harm them, nobody (even if they did, I would be against it), nobody should 1400 years later or ever. In a perfect world. I know that the story was different with "Pagans" in Hijaz that (apparently) were hostile to the earliest Muslim followers but we don't know what is up and down in that story with certainty. The logic dictates that most converted peacefully as there were probably more similarities than differences and it was not a totally rapid shift compared to say Hinduism or something else. That is my belief at least from reading about this topic.

 

[dani92]

Interesting. There are not many Mandeans left in Iraq nowadays are there? Not an expert about Mandeans but Wikipedia says 10.000? Is that an accurate number in your eyes?

There were Mandeans in Northern and Eastern KSA once as well.

In reality all the pre-Abrahamic (themselves Semitic) Semitic religions are closely intertwined. Similar beliefs. That is why you can find similar religious heritage (uncovered) from Syria to Yemen and from Oman to Egypt.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Semitic_religion

Of course it goes without saying that the religions of our ancestors are the oldest recorded religions in the world.

I read some time ago that there is an entire separate study in theology that studies the links of pre-Abrahamic Semitic religions with the Abrahamic religions. That is why ancient Akkadian, Aramaic etc. is also studied in such studies.

It is also important for historians for obvious reasons to understand the world's first recorded civilizations and cultures.

So that is what I mean with the Semitic minorities of the Arab world being "living heritage" in many ways and the main reason why I would hate to see them get extinct.

If the earliest Muslims 1400 years ago did not harm them, nobody (even if they did, I would be against it), nobody should 1400 years later or ever. In a perfect world.

I don’t know exactly how much of us are out there but I think it’s 100000 or more. We only exist in Iraq and Ahwaz. I don’t know if there were mandaens in KSA in the past due the nonexistent of rivers for baptism because we only do our baptism in rivers not lakes or sea because the river water changes and it’s cleaner or what we call it live water unlike the sea and the lakes which they are dead water.

 

[ArabianEmpires&Caliphates]

I don’t know exactly how much of us are out there but I think it’s 100000 or more. We only exist in Iraq and Ahwaz. I don’t know if there were mandaens in KSA in the past due the nonexistent of rivers for baptism because we only do our baptism in rivers not lakes or sea because the river water changes and it’s cleaner or what we call it live water unlike the sea and the lakes which they are dead water.

Wikipedia lists the following countries:

Total population
60,000[1] to 70,000[2]
Regions with significant populations
Iraq 10,000[3]
Iran 5,000 to 10,000 (2009)[4]
Jordan 1,400 [5]
Syria 1,250 families[1]
Sweden 8,500[6]
Australia 3,500 to 10,000[7][8][9]
Netherlands 4,000[10]
United Kingdom 1,000[11]
Canada 1,500[8]
Germany 2,200[12]
Denmark 650[13]
Indonesia 23[14]
United States 1,900[15]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandaeans

There are more wadis (non-permanent rivers) in KSA than anywhere else in the region. So the possibility of baptism in rivers is not a problem. However I was talking about ancient/old times when there were plenty of permanent rivers in KSA.

Since we are already off-topic, I might as well post it.

Example:







Some of the longest rivers (in the past) where once located in KSA and they are described in old scriptures such as the Bible and the Torah.

Just like in the past where the Wadi al-Rummah regularly had water flow from the Red Sea to the Gulf!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wadi_al-Rummah

4000 years ago KSA was home to some of the largest lakes and longest rivers in the world.



During floods to this very day wadis (non-permanent rivers some of them 1000 km long) are getting flooded and flowing for a few days/weeks.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wadis_of_Saudi_Arabia

The four historical Eden rivers!



3 of them crossing through Arabia!

https://godshotspot.wordpress.com/2016/08/19/eden-garden-rivers/

Wadi Al-Rummah during the huge floods back in 2008!

It will be 11 years in 6 months time. Usually it occurs every 10 years once!





https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0069665

https://www.andrewlawler.com/in-search-of-green-arabia/

https://www.researchgate.net/post/A..._largest_river_any_official_names_for_the_two

Cooling a planet with Revegetation, with special attention to the Arabian Peninsula, and a method to significantly increase water resources of the area.

http://www.ecoseeds.com/juicy.gossip.fourteen.html

Ancient 6,000 year old, Empty Quarter lake bed, seen from 30.6 miles, Google Earth image. Looking from the UAE across KSA into the Sultanate of Oman.

Ancient 6,000 year old, Empty Quarter lake bed, seen from 24,000 feet, Google Earth image.

Wadi Hanifa development, Saudi Arabia

Aim: To restore and develop Wadi Hanifa, a valley of over 100 km which runs from the south to the north of Riyadh, and is located on the west side of the city. The project sought to redevelop the area as an environmental, recreational and tourism resource.

Location: The city of Riyadh, the capital of Saudi Arabia, with a population of over 5 million people.

Duration: The programme commenced in 2001 and is ongoing.

Funding: The programme is funded by the Saudi Government.

Lead agency: Arriyadh Development Authority.

Key focus: To improve the land scape and restore the natural beauty of Wadi Hanifa, thus enhancing the environmental quality of the area, improving accessibility, and providing a huge public recreational space.

Before

After
Key components for physical activity

The primary aim of the project was for the restoration of the natural environment, however a secondary outcome was the creation of a recreational area which supports physical activity for the whole community.

Evaluation: No evaluation has been undertaken.

Key factors contributing to the success of the project: The central location and huge expanse of the Wadi Hanifa means that the whole population of Riyadh can benefit from this improved public space.

Challenges

• The scale of the project - spanning over 100 km of distance.
• Required a very large financial investment.
• The Intensive planning and co-ordination processes.

http://www.emro.who.int/health-educ...es/wadi-hanifah-development-saudi-arabia.html

Anyway to return to the topic at hand.

Russia’s Putin to visit Saudi Arabia in October, says al-Falih

Russian President Vladimir Putin will visit Saudi Arabia October. (File photo: Reuters)
minister said Russia was the only oil exporter still undecided on the need to extend an output deal between OPEC and its allies until the end of the year, TASS news agency reported.

In October 2017, Saudi King Salman bin Abdulaziz made a historic visit to Russia, which witnessed the signing of agreements in various fields between the two sides, including oil, gas and other projects that King Salman discussed with his Russian counterpart.

Last Update: Monday, 10 June 2019 KSA 12:40 - GMT 09:40

https://english.alarabiya.net/en/Ne...it-Saudi-Arabia-in-October-says-al-Falih.html

@The SC @Wilhelm II

 

[Wilhelm II]

Wikipedia lists the following countries:

Total population
60,000[1] to 70,000[2]
Regions with significant populations
Iraq 10,000[3]
Iran 5,000 to 10,000 (2009)[4]
Jordan 1,400 [5]
Syria 1,250 families[1]
Sweden 8,500[6]
Australia 3,500 to 10,000[7][8][9]
Netherlands 4,000[10]
United Kingdom 1,000[11]
Canada 1,500[8]
Germany 2,200[12]
Denmark 650[13]
Indonesia 23[14]
United States 1,900[15]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandaeans

There are more wadis (non-permanent rivers) in KSA than anywhere else in the region. So the possibility of baptism in rivers is not a problem. However I was talking about ancient/old times when there were plenty of permanent rivers in KSA.

Since we are already off-topic, I might as well post it.

Example:







Some of the longest rivers (in the past) where once located in KSA and they are described in old scriptures such as the Bible and the Torah.

Just like in the past where the Wadi al-Rummah regularly had water flow from the Red Sea to the Gulf!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wadi_al-Rummah

4000 years ago KSA was home to some of the largest lakes and longest rivers in the world.



During floods to this very day wadis (non-permanent rivers some of them 1000 km long) are getting flooded and flowing for a few days/weeks.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wadis_of_Saudi_Arabia

The four historical Eden rivers!



3 of them crossing through Arabia!

https://godshotspot.wordpress.com/2016/08/19/eden-garden-rivers/

Wadi Al-Rummah during the huge floods back in 2008!

It will be 11 years in 6 months time. Usually it occurs every 10 years once!





https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0069665

https://www.andrewlawler.com/in-search-of-green-arabia/

https://www.researchgate.net/post/A..._largest_river_any_official_names_for_the_two

Cooling a planet with Revegetation, with special attention to the Arabian Peninsula, and a method to significantly increase water resources of the area.

http://www.ecoseeds.com/juicy.gossip.fourteen.html

Ancient 6,000 year old, Empty Quarter lake bed, seen from 30.6 miles, Google Earth image. Looking from the UAE across KSA into the Sultanate of Oman.

Ancient 6,000 year old, Empty Quarter lake bed, seen from 24,000 feet, Google Earth image.

Wadi Hanifa development, Saudi Arabia

Aim: To restore and develop Wadi Hanifa, a valley of over 100 km which runs from the south to the north of Riyadh, and is located on the west side of the city. The project sought to redevelop the area as an environmental, recreational and tourism resource.

Location: The city of Riyadh, the capital of Saudi Arabia, with a population of over 5 million people.

Duration: The programme commenced in 2001 and is ongoing.

Funding: The programme is funded by the Saudi Government.

Lead agency: Arriyadh Development Authority.

Key focus: To improve the land scape and restore the natural beauty of Wadi Hanifa, thus enhancing the environmental quality of the area, improving accessibility, and providing a huge public recreational space.

Before

After
Key components for physical activity

The primary aim of the project was for the restoration of the natural environment, however a secondary outcome was the creation of a recreational area which supports physical activity for the whole community.

Evaluation: No evaluation has been undertaken.

Key factors contributing to the success of the project: The central location and huge expanse of the Wadi Hanifa means that the whole population of Riyadh can benefit from this improved public space.

Challenges

• The scale of the project - spanning over 100 km of distance.
• Required a very large financial investment.
• The Intensive planning and co-ordination processes.

http://www.emro.who.int/health-educ...es/wadi-hanifah-development-saudi-arabia.html

Anyway to return to the topic at hand.

Russia’s Putin to visit Saudi Arabia in October, says al-Falih

Russian President Vladimir Putin will visit Saudi Arabia October. (File photo: Reuters)
minister said Russia was the only oil exporter still undecided on the need to extend an output deal between OPEC and its allies until the end of the year, TASS news agency reported.

In October 2017, Saudi King Salman bin Abdulaziz made a historic visit to Russia, which witnessed the signing of agreements in various fields between the two sides, including oil, gas and other projects that King Salman discussed with his Russian counterpart.

Last Update: Monday, 10 June 2019 KSA 12:40 - GMT 09:40

https://english.alarabiya.net/en/Ne...it-Saudi-Arabia-in-October-says-al-Falih.html

@The SC @Wilhelm II

I'm waiting to see finalization of arm deals like s400 and new things like pantsir and more JV and ToT russians are perfect in ballistic and space missiles