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Holy Quran has said everything generally and limited.If Quran wanted so say everything with every details it should be at least 25 times more than Holy Quran.It has said everything generally.We know Imams as who after Prophet[PBUH]explaine God orders ,religion truths,how to pray for God and explaine and description many many ahkmas matching to Quran verses:what we should do what we should not do, what is sins what is requital what does Allah like and does he does not, how we should pary,how to behave with our brothers ,family ,kafirs and .....Explain and description God and God wishesh,how to approach him ,how to pray for him and...
They are 12 vicars after Prophet[PBUH] as Prophet said in Qadir day and are God chosen and wish.And Shia believe it despite damned umayyad and abbasy dynasty negative propaganda.
We believe only Shias(follower of 12 Imams) will go to heaven and other interrogating.
Maedah 12
allah made a covenant with the children of bani israel and raised among them twelve captains(Imams). he said: 'i shall be with you and if you establish the prayers and pay the obligatory charity; if you believe in my messengers and assist them and give allah a generous loan, i shall forgive you your sins and admit you to gardens underneath which rivers flow. whosoever amongst you disbelieves after that, he indeed has strayed from the straight path.
Maedah 13
but because of their breach of their covenant, we cursed them, and made their hearts grow hard; they change the words from their (right) places and forget a good part of the message that was sent them, nor wilt thou cease to find them- barring a few - ever bent on (new) deceits: but forgive them, and overlook (their misdeeds): for allah loveth those who are kind.
Surely God has not said these 2 verses ineffectively God never does causeless.
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You still didn't answer my question??? You very smartly skipped it and follwed it up with all the claims you have been making earlier. I have no issues with those claims just tell me in plain words how can one perform Salah according to the Quran?? And you're mistaken, religious discussions aren't allowed period. I gave the reason for that earlier.
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A small and very nice example
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Where can we find Salat in the Quran ?!
One of the most famous question that many Muslims ask regarding their own
religion, is their question,
"Where in the Quran do we find details how to perform Salat?"
This favorite question of potential believers exposes their ignorance of the Quran
as well as proves that their religion is based purely on heresy and conjecture of their
parents, scholars or local mullas.
There are two implications of the Question above:
1. An implication that challenges God's assertion and a subconscious effort to
prove that God is wrong in His repeated assertions that Quran is "Complete", "Perfect"
and "Fully Detailed".
2. An implication that Hadith contains the details of Salat and therefore Hadith
other than the Quran can be used for religious law.
The fact is that there is NO hadith which gives us details of how to perform Salat.
God controls everything and since God has condemned all Hadith other the Quran (The
Quran is the only acceptable hadith), it is God's will that any hadith other than the Quran,
not contain the details of Salat.
Those who are knowledgeable of the Quran know that there are two sources for
the religion of Islam (Submission in English).
1. The Quran which is COMPLETE, PERFECT and fully details all religious
LAW. 2. Religious practices given to Prophet Abraham and passed on to us generation to
generation since the time of Abraham.
Quran teaches us in no uncertain terms that Abraham is the founder of Islam as it
is practiced today. As such, what did Abraham contribute to our daily life as Muslims?
Quran teaches us that ALL RELIGIOUS PRACTICES IN ISLAM, (Salat, Zakat,
Fasting, & Hajj) came to us from Abraham, generation after generation.
Majority of Muslims always ask, how can these practices come to us from
Abraham and not from Muhammed. They do not trust that God Almighty can preserve
His own religious practices (rituals) to give to us pure, clear and complete.
In other words, all religious practices in Islam existed before Muhammed.
Muhammed's sole mission was to deliver the Quran.
"Your ONLY mission (O Muhammed) is to deliver (Quran), while it is we who
will call them to account." 13:40
"You (O Muhammed) have no duty EXCEPT delivering (Quran)." 42:48
"The messenger has no function EXCEPT delivering (Quran)..." 5:99
Logically, if Muhammed was a follower of Abraham, and we are followers of
Muhammed, then we are followers of Abraham. What did we and Muhammad learn from
Abraham ???
The Quran teaches us that we learned ALL THE RELIGIOUS PRACTICES of
Islam from Abraham. The whole Arabian society before and during the time of
Muhammed had many followers of the religion of Abraham. Thus Abu Lahab, Abu Jahl,
and the idolators of Quraish used to observe Salat prayers as we can see in 8:33-35.
"...Their SALAT PRAYERS at the shrine were no more than deceit and
repulsion."
In Sura 73, few weeks after the revelation of the Quran, 73:20 is telling the
Muslims to observe the SALAT and Zakat. Does it make sense that God would issue a
commandment to observe something not already known.???
"......and observe the SALAT and ZAKAT, and lend God a loan of righteousness.
Whatever you advance for your souls, you will find at God better and multiplied
manyfold....." 73:20.
In 2:128 we see Abraham and Ismail implore God to teach them "THE
RELIGIOUS PRACTICES OF ISLAM"
"As Abraham raised the foundation of Kaaba, together with Ismail, they prayed,
'Our Lord, accept this work from us; You are the Hearer, the Omniscient. Our Lord, and
make us Muslims (Submitters) to You and from our descendants let there be a nation of
Muslims (Submitters) to you; AND TEACH US HOW TO PRACTICE OUR RELIGIOUS
DUTIES, and redeem us; You are the Redeemer, the Merciful'" 2:127-128
The Prophets and Messengers prior to Abraham were not given any religious
practices. The human society was so primitive, only BELIEF IN GOD ALONE was all
that is required for salvation. See for example Sura 71, entitles "Noah" Thus, religious
practices appear in Quran ONLY after ABRAHAM; never before him.
"(O Children of Israel) you shall observe the SALAT PRAYERS & ZAKAT
charity; you shall bow down with those who bow." 2:125
MORE PROOFS THAT SALAT OBSERVED BEFORE MUHAMMED.
"O Mary (Mariam), you shall obey your Lord, and shall prostrate and bow down
with those who bow down." 3:43
"(Jesus said) God has made me blessed wherever I go, and He commanded me to
observe the SALAT PRAYERS and ZAKAT charity for as long as I live." 19:31
But the Jews and Christians lost the SALAT PRAYERS, changed it and invented
their own.
"Generations came thereafter who LOST the SALAT prayers, and pursued their
lusts." 19:59
If we look in the oldest prayer books for the Jews we can still see their prayers
very similar to what the Muslims do today, they bow down and fall prostrate. There are
remnant of the SALAT prayers among the Jews, namely the Samaritans, and the
Christians (the Russian Orthodox Church). It is noteworthy that the Samaritan Jews have
denounced the man-made commandments of Talmud, and decided to adhere to the word
of God ALONE, i.e. Torah. (See "The Myth of God Incarnate", page 117)
MORE PROOFS:
" And we granted him (Abraham) Isaac and Jacob as a gift, and we made them
righteous. And we appointed them Imams who guide in accordance with our
commandments. AND WE TAUGHT THEM RIGHTEOUS WORKS AND THE
OBSERVANCE OF SALAT AND ZAKAT.' 21:72-73
Unfortunately, this plain Quranic truth is not accessible by those who keep trying
to prove that Quran is not complete. First they have to come to sincere conviction that
Quran is complete, perfect and fully detailed; they have to believe their Lord. Once they
attain this conviction, the shields will be removed from around their hearts, the deafness
will be removed from their ears and they will become worthy of the Quranic truth.
FASTING CAME TO US VIA ABRAHAM: then modified in the Quran.
"You are permitted to have sexual intercourse with your wives during the night of
fasting; they are your confidantes, and you are their confidantes. God knew that you used
to betray your souls in the past. He has redeemed you, and He has pardoned you.
Henceforth, you may have intercourse with them, seeking what God has permitted for
you." part of 2:187
"O you who believe, fasting is decreed for you, AS IT WAS DECREED for those
before you, that you may attain salvation." 2:183
HAJJ (Pilgrimage) : came to us VIA ABRAHAM: Please note that the same
verse also mention the SALAT prayers bowing down and prostrating.
"We pointed out to Abraham the location of the shrine, and directed him to
worship NONE beside Me, and to purify My shrine for those who would visit it, those
who would retreat therein, and those who would BOW DOWN AND PROSTRATE. And
you shall declare (O Abraham) that the people shall observe HAJJ. They will then come
to you , walking or riding, from the farthest places." 22:26-27
It is also interesting to know that many of these Muslims who ask the question do
not know that, the Hadith and Sunna books do not have enough information about how to
perform Salat, the number of Rakaat (units), or what to say in them.
The Hadiths and Sunna books are rather full of different Hadiths that give one
instruction here and then reverse it in another, tell you that the Prophet prayed some
numbers of Rakaat then give you another hadiths with a different number, or teach some
non-sense like spitting under your left foot in the mosque instead of the right foot...etc.
NOT a single time, was the prophet Muhammed reported as telling the people; let
me tell you how to perform your Salat prayers, or let me tell you the number of Rakaat in
the prayers.
Had Muhammed willed or was of his duties to teach the community their prayer
and the number of Rakaat, he would have done such that and in the public arena for
everyone to witness it. It never happened. Because the Prophet Muhammed and the
people before him were given the ways to pray, handed down from Abraham through
generations of believers who kept the prayers intact as God promised. God would not
have told Muhammed to follow the religion of Abraham when no one knows or practices
that religion.
Abraham was the first recipient of the concept of Islam, and the first user of the
word "Muslim" (Submitter in English).
"You shall strive in the cause of God as you should. He has blessed you, and
imposed no hardship in your religion; the RELIGION OF YOUR FATHER ABRAHAM,
Abraham is the one who named you "Muslims" in the beginning. Thus, the messenger
serves as witness among you, just as you serve as a witness among the people. Therefore,
you shall observe the Salat prayers, give the Zakat charity, and hold fast to God; He is
your Lord; the best Lord, and the best supporter." 22:78
"Abraham was neither Jewish , nor Christian; he was a monotheist; a Muslim; he
never was an idol-worshiper. The people most worthy of following Abraham are those
who follow him and this prophet (Muhammed), and those who believed. God is the Lord
of the believers." 3:67-68
"Then we inspired you (O Muhammed) to follow the religion of Abraham,
monotheism; never was he an idol-worshiper." 16:123
MORE PRAYERS or SAME PRAYERS ?!
All Muslims (Submitters) know that God ordered us to do five contact prayers
(salat) every day. Traditional sectarian Muslims, call these five prayers, "fard" or
obligatory. They believe that there are other prayers (Sunnah) which should also be done
for extra credit. However we will illustrate here how the number of prayers, number of
units, and even the names of the prayers are mathematically coded. This means that
adding prayers disrupts the intricate code that God has created and designed into the
contact prayers. Adding extra prayers to what God ordered is like a person taking extra
medicine on his own to feel much better than what his/her doctor told him to take, it can
kill him instead of helping him. Of course that does not mean that we should not worship
to gain extra credit! On the contrary, God tells us exactly what we should do for extra
credit.
"During the night, you shall meditate for extra credit, that your Lord may raise
you to an honorable rank. And say, "My Lord, admit me an honorable admittance, and let
me depart an honorable departure, and grant me from You a powerful support." 17:79-
80
In this verse and several others, God tells us to meditate on Him and to fall
prostrate during the night for extra credit. He does not tell us to do extra Contact prayers
(Salat). In fact God tells us :
"...the contact prayers (Salat) are decreed for the believers at specific times. "
4:103
SALAT (CONTACT PRAYERS ) IN THE QURAN:
Many Muslims do not know that all the five prayers are mentioned in the Quran,
their time is clearly mentioned in several verses and that all the steps we do are found
also in the Quran.
{1} FIVE PRAYERS A DAY AND THEIR TIME :
God gave us the times for the Salat (contact Prayers) in the Quran :
(1) The Dawn Prayer (Fajr in Arabic) given in 11:114, 24:58
(2) The Noon Prayer (Zuher in Arabic) , given in 17:78
(3) The Afternoon Prayer (Asr in Arabic), given in 2:238
(4) The sunset Prayer (Maghrib in Arabic), given in 11:114
(5) The Night Prayer (Isha in Arabic), given in 24:58
As you can see from the Quran, God tells us to do our Contact prayers (Salat) at
specific times, and then He tells us what these times are.
{2} TAKBEER (Glorification of God), Allahu Akbar :
The Takbeer (glorification of God) by saying Allahu Akbar for example can be
found in 17:111, 2:185, 22 :37, 74:3, and 29:45
[17:110-111] " Say, "Call Him GOD, or call Him the Most Gracious; whichever
name you use, to Him belongs the best names." You shall not utter your Contact Prayers
(Salat) too loudly, nor secretly; use a moderate tone. And proclaim: "Praise be to GOD,
who has never begotten a son, nor does He have a partner in His kingship, nor does He
need any ally out of weakness," and magnify Him constantly. ( Kabberho Takbeera) "
[29:45] You shall recite what is revealed to you of the scripture, and observe the
Contact Prayers (Salat), for the Contact Prayers prohibit evil and vice. The
remembrance of GOD (through Salat) is the most important objective. ( La Thekro
Allahu Akbar), GOD knows everything you do."
{3} READING SURA 1, FATEHA, IN SALAT : The mathematical evidence for Sura 1
is overwhelming and should be reviewed. It is discussed later in this file.
{4} BOWING DOWN (Ruku) AND FALLING PROSTRATE (Sujood): Where in the
Quran;
[22:77] "O you who believe, you shall bow, prostrate, worship your Lord, and
work righteousness, that you may succeed. "
See also, 2:43, 2:125, 5:55, 9:112, 22:26 and 48:29 For falling prostrate also see;
3:113, 4:102, 7:206, 13:15, 15:98, 16:49, 17:107, 19:58, 22:18, 25:64, 41:37, 48:29,
53:62, 76:26, and 96:19, WHAT WE SAY WHEN WE BOW DOWN : "Subhana
Rabbya Al-Azeem), can be found in 56:74
[56:74] "You shall glorify the name of your Lord, the Great. ' (Fa-Sabbeh Be-Ism
Rabbeka Al-Azeem)
WHAT WE SAY WHEN WE GET UP FROM BOWING DOWN: "Sami-a
Allahu Le-man Hamedahu" (God hears those who praise Him)
[3:38] "That is when Zachariah implored his Lord: "My Lord, grant me such a
good child; You are the Hearer of the prayers."
AND,
[52:48] "You shall steadfastly persevere in carrying out your Lord's command -
you are in our eyes - and glorify and praise your Lord when you get up."
WHAT WE SAY WHEN WE FALL PROSTRATE: "Subhana Rabbya Al-A'ala "
can be found in 87:1
{5} SHAHADA (TASHAHHUD):
La Elaha Ella Allah (There is no god but God).
The Shahada recited after the prostration of the second Rakaat and at the end of
the prayers can be found in 3:18. This is the Shahada of God, the angels and those who
possess knowledge. The Shahada of the hypocrites can be found in 63:1
[3:18] "GOD bears witness that there is no god except He, (La Elaha Ella Ho, Ho
in reference to God, Allah ) and so do the angels and those who possess knowledge.
Truthfully and equitably, He is the absolute god; there is no god but He, the Almighty,
Most Wise."
BUT WHY CAN'T WE........... ?
But why can't we pray more than what God told us to pray ? There are two parts
to the answer of this question. The first part has to do with the source of our religious
practice. If God tells you in the Quran to pray five specific prayers, and you say,"But the
Hadith books said to pray more" . Does this mean God does not know what to order ?!
Does this mean God is not clear ? when He said the prayers are set for specific times. All
Muslims world-wide agree on the five Contact Prayers (Salat), how many units they
should be, and when they should be prayed. But no two sects agree on the Sunnah
prayers. Isn't this exactly like the example given in the Quran :
"God cites the Example of a man who deals with disputing partners (i.e. Hadith),
compared to a man who deals with only one consistent source (i.e.Quran). Are they the
same ? Praise be to God; most of them do not know. (39:29)
The second part of the answer has to do with the mathematical proof of the
Contact Prayers (Salat).
SALAT AND MATHEMATICS:
We all heard about the Mathematical Miracle of the Quran, but few knew that the
Mathematical Miracle also involved the Contact Prayers (Salat in Arabic). While the
Mathematical Miracle of the Quran is built on the number 19, see 74:30, that of the
Contact Prayers (Salat) is built on both number 19 and 17, where number 17 is the total
number of units (Rakaat) of the Salat that we are supposed to do every day.
Dawn (Fajr)..... ............2 units Noon(Zuhr)..................4 units Afternoon
(Asr)............4 units Sunset (Maghrib).....................3 units Night (Isha)............................4
units
Total of 17 units As you know we have to pray these units in this order, Fajr,
Zuhr,Asr,Maghrib, &Isha that is 2 ,4 ,4, 3, 4 units , this number that has to be in this
order is a multiple of 19, actually 24434=19x1286
From this we can see that the number of units (Rakaat) of prayer is an important
part of the Mathematical code and adding or subtracting prayers or units of prayer
disrupts this coding that is here not because of coincidence but because God who controls
everything especially His own prayers put it there.
This Mathematical code proves to us that the prayer we have today is protected by
God since started by Abraham and that the order we do it is the right order with each
prayer has the right number of units Rakaat).
But there is more !!!! If we look at the number of the letters which spell the names
of the prayers in Arabic (Fajr, Zuhr, Asr, Maghrib"Mgrb" & Isha) the total is 17 letters
which is the total number of units (Rakaat) we perform every day.
Sura number 1, the Key (Fateha) is the major part of our prayer, it has to be
recited 17 times a day (the number of Rakaat). Sura 1,has 7 verse, both the 1 and the 7
that form the number 17 can be appreciated right there, nothing in God's system is a
coincidence.
If we look at the gematrical value (the numeric equivalents) of the Arabic letters
that form the names of the 5 daily prayer we find another miracle. The gematrical value
of Dawn(Fajr) prayer for example is 283 (Feh=80, Jeem=3,& Ra=200). The other
Gematrical values for the rest of the 5 prayers are,Noon ( Zuhr)=1105, Afternoon
(Asr)=360, Sunset (Maghrib)=1242 and Night (Isha)= 372
The total value of these 5 Arabic Names for prayers, that has to be 17 units
(Rakaa) and their names has to be exactly 17 letters is 3362. To appreciate this
mathematical Miracle we have to involve all these factors, the 3362+17 (Units) +17(Letters) +5
(times of prayers) =3401 3401 = 19x179 , again you can see that 179 adds to 17 which is the number
of units (Rakaat) that God wants us to do .
This is a continuation of the topic of Salat and Mathematics.
Now let us only add the Gematrical value of these Arabic letters in the names of
the five prayers without repeating the same letter , for example Fajr and Asr both have
"Ra" in it, we will only add the Gematrical value of one "Ra". If we do so, we will have
13 Arabic letters that have a Gematrical value of 2692. If we add this Gematrical total, +
the number of times we pray each day (5) + the number of Sura we recite consistently in
our prayer (Fateha) (1) , we get
2692+5 (Times)+1 (Sura1)= 2698 = 19x142
This number, 2698, is not only a multiple of 19, but it is also the number of times
that the word GOD (Allah) is mentioned in all the Quran.
How about the word Salat (Contact Prayers ) in the Quran itself, is it part of the
Miracle ?
The answer is yes. The word "Salat" occurs in the Quran 67 times, and when we
add the numbers of Suras and verses of these 67 occurrences, the total comes to 4674, or
19x246, another multiple of 19.
One more miracle that shows how much God is in control of everything is the
next one, but it is also more difficult than the first ones. This miracle proves that Sura 1
(Fateha) is the essence of our prayer and that the numbers of bowing and falling prostrate
and saying Shahada (Tashahhuds) during our prayers are controlled by God. If we write
down the number of the prayers with their bowings, prostrations and Shahadas, we get :
11224124482344824336254482
This long number consists of the number of the sura that we recite in every
prayer, Sura 1, (1) followed by the number of the first prayer (1), then the number of
times that we recite sura 1 in this prayer (2 ), then the number of bowings (Ruku') (i.e. 2),
then the number of prostrations (4), then the number of Shahada (Tashahhuds) (1 in first
prayer), then we start over again with the number of second prayer (2) followed by the
number of sura 1 that we recite in 2nd prayer (4), then the number of bowings (Ruku') (4)
, then the number of prostrations (8) in this prayer, then the number of Tashahhuds (2),
then the number of the third prayer (3), and so on to the last prayer of the day. This long
number is a multiple of 19 and confirms the minute details of the prayers. One may ask
what are all these numbers, does God really care. The answer is actually in 72:28
"This is to ascertain that they have delivered their Lord's messages. He is fully
aware of what they have. HE HAS COUNTED THE NUMBERS OF ALL THINGS."
72:28, notice that 7+2+2+8= 19
From all of these findings we can see that God designed the times of the prayers,
the number of units in each prayer, even the names of the prayers in a very specific way.
Unfortunately human beings have tendency to make things more complex and difficult
than what God gives us.
THE CORRUPTION OF SALAT:
Those who refused to believe God in His book, the Quran that the Quran is
complete, perfect and fully detailed are deprived by God from performing the correct
Salat. God let them wonder in the dark and pick bets and pieces that nullified their salat
for them. They insisted that God is not enough for them and God insisted on leaving them
in the dark. God did not wrong them but they are the ones who wronged their own souls.
The following are some specific examples of how Salat has been corrupted and
lost its form as given by God and as practiced by the Prophet Muhammed himself . It is
the corrupted scholars and their blind followers who practice this corruption up to this
time.
CORRUPTION ONE Ablution: Verse 5:6 give four steps for ablution. However, the
potential muslims of today have their own rules.
[5:6] "O you who believe, when you observe the Contact Prayers (Salat), you
shall: (1) wash your faces, (2) wash your arms to the elbows, (3) wipe your heads, and (4)
wash your feet to the ankles. "
CORRUPTION TWO :
[72:18] "The places of worship belong to God; do not call on anyone else besides
God."
The overwhelming majority of the mosques of the world do not follow the
following crucial commandment. The name of Muhammad is placed next to the name of
God in most mosques. The name of Muhammad is called upon together with the name of
God in Azaan. The Muslims nullify their Salat by adding the name of Muhammad to the
shahaada decreed by God "La ellaha ella Allah" [3:18 & other verses]
CORRUPTION THREE :
[2:37] "Adam received from his Lord words, whereby God redeemed him; He is
the Redeemer, Most Merciful." (2:37)
Adam had to utter specific words in order to be redeemed by God. Similarly, God
has given us specific words - the words of Sura 1, Al fateha, in order to establish daily
contact (salat) with Him, in order to be redeemed. The Muslims of today when praying in
congregation ignore the first numbered verse of the Quran,
CORRUPTION FOUR :
The Quran commands us to use a moderate tone is Salat. But the potential
Muslims have their own rules regarding the tone used, they pray in complete silence in
some part of the prayers in defiance of the decree in the Quran. in 17:110
[17:110] You shall not utter your Contact Prayers (Salat) too loudly, nor secretly;
use a MODERATE tone." 17:110
CORRUPTION FIVE:
After reciting Al-fatihah the potential Muslims recite other chapters from the
Quran. An addition that is not supported by the Quran and which introduces into the Salat
other names to share with the name of God, for which our Salat should be devoted. One
of their favorite Suras is Sura 112. What logical sense does it make that when we are
performing our contact prayers (Salat) that we tell God, "Say/Proclaim, `He is the
One..'"!? This statement should be directed to the creatures of God and not to the One
who is KNOWER of Everything.
Sura 112:1-4 is reproduced below.
[112:1-4] Proclaim, "He is the One and only GOD. "The Absolute GOD. "Never
did He beget. Nor was He begotten. "None equals Him."
THEY STILL INSIST :
Even after showing all this Quranic evidence to those who do not believe God,
you will note that they insist on their ways. They may ask you again and after all that ;
"Where are the details of SALAT prayers in the Quran" ? Until they decide to believe
their Creator in His repeated assertions that the Quran is complete, perfect and fully
detailed, they can never see the Quranic truth. This is documented in 18:57;
"Who is more wicked than one who is reminded of the verses of His Lord, then disregard them, while unaware of his sin ? Consequently, we place shields on their hearts, to prevent them from understanding (Quran), and deafness in their ears. Thus, if you invite them to the guidance, they can NEVER EVER be guided." 18:57
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For one, you're implications and claims are invalid because they assume that an ordinary Muslim is inferior and necessarily must be looking down upon the Word of God. The fact of the matter is no Muslim ever dreams of doing such a thing. And the same goes with the question i asked its not a point scoring question which is how you obviously took it but its a very basic thing a Muslim needs to know. I am not here to prove a point to you i am an ordinary human being who practices Islam and doesn't make big claims about how much of a great believer i am unlike most here. In order to ask about something as basic as Salah, which i have to perform five times each day, my questioning in no way questions the word of God its seeking a mere clarification. That clarificaton was through the Prophet PBUH certainly that clarification can't ever go against the essence of the Quran. What does "Obey Allah and His prophet" means thats also mentioned in the Quran How can one obey the Prophet PBUH when one doesn't know what he said or how he lived providing us with a perfect example. If the Word of God and the actions of the Prophet PBUH weren't in perfect harmony then Allah wouldn't have asked us to obey him so no such absurd implications as you are suggesting. Anyways i have said it twice before its a religious discussion if you want to continue it with anyone then PM him instead of continuing here on the thread because its also clearly off topic.
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Can anyone please give an answer to my question please?
I love my Sunni brothers and believe me I have lots of Sunni friends and I do really believe just like every other religions a majority of our Sunni brothers and sisters will enter the eternal heaven just as our beloved prophet has granted us all.
But according to our beloved Sunny brothers beliefs, If someone believes in three basics of Islam he will be the companion of our beloved prophet (PBUH) in the heaven,
1) First he should believe in Monotheism,
I believe that Satan was one of the believers in Monotheism because he even refused to pray for the man even when the God himself told him to do so.
2) Secondly, one should believe in Doomsday,
According to this verse Satan always had the belief in Doomsday,
"قَالَ رَبِّ فَأَنظِرْنِي إِلَىٰ يَوْمِ يُبْعَثُونَ ١٥:٣٦ "
3) And finally, one should believe in Prophecy,
Which according to this verse Satan believed in Prophecy too,
" إِلَّا عِبَادَكَ مِنْهُمُ الْمُخْلَصِينَ ١٥:٤٠ "
So please tell me where is the problem.
I love my Sunni brothers and believe me I have lots of Sunni friends and I do really believe just like every other religions a majority of our Sunni brothers and sisters will enter the eternal heaven just as our beloved prophet has granted us all.
But according to our beloved Sunny brothers beliefs, If someone believes in three basics of Islam he will be the companion of our beloved prophet (PBUH) in the heaven,
1) First he should believe in Monotheism,
I believe that Satan was one of the believers in Monotheism because he even refused to pray for the man even when the God himself told him to do so.
2) Secondly, one should believe in Doomsday,
According to this verse Satan always had the belief in Doomsday,
"قَالَ رَبِّ فَأَنظِرْنِي إِلَىٰ يَوْمِ يُبْعَثُونَ ١٥:٣٦ "
3) And finally, one should believe in Prophecy,
Which according to this verse Satan believed in Prophecy too,
" إِلَّا عِبَادَكَ مِنْهُمُ الْمُخْلَصِينَ ١٥:٤٠ "
So please tell me where is the problem.
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Its not exactly "off topic" ... The Arabs and Iranians claim to follow the same QURAN but their actions are clearly against the teachings of Quran . We are no better , but as the OP said , we consider Arabs and Iranians as role models and usually follow them blindly , they should act more responsibly !!
The word of God and the actions of prophet (pbuh)WERE in perfect harmony ... But we have no means to verify that what the scholars "attribute" to Muhammad (Pbuh) , was actually said or done by him .. There is a clear difference , hope you understand . Allah promised protection of quran only and not Hadith or sunnah ... Quran is the word of Allah and hadith was compiled by ordinary Humans 200 years after the demise of prophet (pbuh) . All the rifts and differences among the Muslims are only a result of contradicting hadith collections
I am not denying what you're saying now but that still doesn't mean that one completely disregards the actions of the Prophet PBUH we can all do our research and get to know which Hadith is in clear conformity with the Quran. It is still off topic and if you consider that religion is the main reason behind Arab Iranian animosity then you are greatly mistaken. Though its not important but Arabs and Iranians themselves have admitted this. The point is that religion doesn't even play a huge part in this rivalry its more racial so it does stay off topic. Secondly a religious discussion remains a religious one no matter what the reasoning is given it still is banned so if you really want to talk about religion with someone you luckily have the choice to PM them and have a discussion.
Surely you must be joking bro? You made me spill Arabic coffee on my computer. Thank you.
It is like hearing the majoos reciting the Noble Qur'an.
What is more important is the message in Quran and how do we use it; not how do we recite it.
I was brought up in a home where I just read Quran without understanding a word of it. It was useless, although I could recite it in a perfect way (almost the way natives of Arabia do); but, I knew nothing about the Deen; that I only understood when I threw away the yoke of the Mullah and approached directly the Message (English Translation).
Now, I am certain that getting the Message correct using English language has only made my life better. I have also learned a lesson from my experience - it' is the Message which is more important not the language, not the recitation.
Yes, it is very important that the Quran is learned in Arabic and is recited in the congregations. But, then again, I always look upon 150 million native Arabic speakers and wonder that they have been blessed with the language of Quran; they can understand every word of it and still most of them look lost. Why?
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No Muslim can completely disregard the actions of prophet (pbuh) .. All I mean is "Hadith is the secondary source" and should be treated likewise .
And you are absolutely right on this , we need to do a full research before accepting any hadith
Religion is the only thing common b/w Iranians and Arabs .. and the "dream" of Ummah unity (something ordered by Allah in quran) cant be realised unless Arabs and Iranians prefer religion (Quranic Islam) over ethnicity
Not really , I believe in Humanitarianism
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Yeah so i am not against doing one's proper research beforehand. Let the Arabs and Iranians sort that out themselves. They have got the same sources and capabilities to figure out whats authentic and what isn't. If they make use of it its their good fortune if not nobody can make them or anybody else for that matter do it.
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