What INSAS has really achieved after 15 years & what its future

[Terminator]

Can't comment positively on that. Never seen IA guy boasting about his gun - and if you are right why with fake one ??? When everyone on profile is able to find its dud and not real one ???

You are OP. add poll to this thread asking opinion about which rifle will be selected

There could be n numbers of possibilities abt the real intention of this guy.......anyway, its not a real gun that's we are sure..

 

[Abingdonboy]

They always got that. It's just we are coming to know it.

The question won't be about SF. Those guies get what they want. It's about IA standard. Hope it work out.

Keep us posted if you get more info and when space is filled

I hate to disagree mate but that simply isn't true. For a long period of time the Indian SOFs were not understood or appreciated by the politcans or even high Military leadership and were confined to a quiet exsistence were they did there own thing but were no heavily funded (much like the rest of the military). Recently the importance of SOFs as strategic weapons has become known to the Indian leadership and with higher budgets all-round they can now get what they deserve.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Yeah it may be fake.BTW are these available in India(the fake ones)

 

[Sergi]

I hate to disagree mate but that simply isn't true. For a long period of time the Indian SOFs were not understood or appreciated by the politcans or even high Military leadership and were confined to a quiet exsistence were they did there own thing but were no heavily funded (much like the rest of the military). Recently the importance of SOFs as strategic weapons has become known to the Indian leadership and with higher budgets all-round they can now get what they deserve.

I was reffering last two decades. Any ways can you dig more on SCAR ??? When I heard about it I though I would be next to impossible. But you post has created hope. I would love to get any regarding info if you have and no problems in sharing

 

[EzioAltaïr]

Can you add the option of F-INSAS Multi Caliber Individual Weapons System? Guys at Defexpo said it's part of te trials for new rifles.

 

[Sergi]

Yeah it may be fake.BTW are these available in India(the fake ones)

I tried in Mumbai buddy nop

online order should work. I think I will buy one but may be TAR

 

[dekho]

For equipping a million plus army (of a developing nation) with a rifle in 5.56 category nothing is more suitable than AK-101. AK-101 is everything that INSAS wanted to be but could not achieve.

1. It fires standard 5.56×45mm NATO rounds and carries a 30 round magzine (drum magazines can be equipped too) as against INSAS which only carries a 20 round magazine.
2. Weighing in at 3.6 kgs its lighter than INSAS. The build quality is also excellent (we are talking Izhmash here).
3. It has the reliability of AK-47 and decent accuracy upto 500m.
4. Its cheaper than alternatives.

With a few minor adjustments done by Izhmash at request like addition of picatinny rails and better iron sights (rear sight pushed further back) this rifle would serve well an Indian Army infantryman .

Request to OP: Kindly add AK-101 or similar variants to your list.

 

[Abingdonboy]

I was reffering last two decades. Any ways can you dig more on SCAR ??? When I heard about it I though I would be next to impossible. But you post has created hope. I would love to get any regarding info if you have and no problems in sharing

Mate what I have posted is about all I know and just about everything my contacts were willing to share with someone like me. And let me tell you these guys were very cautious in telling me he simplest of details- they were very aware of the secretive nature if Indian SOFs and didn't wan to say much at all. It is interesting because I had spoken to the exact same guys about the Polish SF's acquisition of the SCAR and they had been so open about this sale, they told me exact numbers that were being discussed, the units they would go to, the exact variants and the exact accessories desired. In his instance almost nothing! I think his is quite telling wrt India and their SOFs.


I will be sure to tell you if I ever find out more but in the words of one of my friends- "don't hold your breath!!"

 

[dekho]

For a few more bucks the Indian Army can go for AN-94 but it fires 5.45x39mm rounds. The factory can easily reconfigure it for 5.56 NATO. Its a badass rifle worth checking out.

Modern Firearms - AN-94 Abakan

 

[Abingdonboy]

For equipping a million plus army (of a developing nation) with a rifle in 5.56 category nothing is more suitable than AK-101. AK-101 is everything that INSAS wanted to be but could not achieve.

1. It fires standard 5.56×45mm NATO rounds and carries a 30 round magzine (drum magazines can be equipped too) as against INSAS which only carries a 20 round magazine.
2. Weighing in at 3.6 kgs its lighter than INSAS. The build quality is also excellent (we are talking Izhmash here).
3. It has the reliability of AK-47 and decent accuracy upto 500m.
4. Its cheaper than alternatives.

With a few minor adjustments done by Izhmash at request like addition of picatinny rails and better iron sights (rear sight pushed further back) this rifle would serve well an Indian Army infantryman .

Request to OP: Kindly add AK-101 or similar variants to your list.

As yet it still remains unclear whether he F-INSAS rifle will be the locally developed one with Israeli assistance we have heard of or a foreign of the shelf purchase as recent RFIs would indicate. Either way if you look at be desired specs you can see the IA is lookin for a much more Western rifle with the latest optics and add-on accessories and is inevitably gong to be relative expensive but I will also have to be a quality product and will have to serve for at least 25 years.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

I tried in Mumbai buddy nop

online order should work. I think I will buy one but may be TAR

Send me a link.

 

[dekho]

As yet it still remains unclear whether he F-INSAS rifle will be the locally developed one with Israeli assistance we have heard of or a foreign of the shelf purchase as recent RFIs would indicate. Either way if you look at be desired specs you can see the IA is lookin for a much more Western rifle with the latest optics and add-on accessories and is inevitably gong to be relative expensive but I will also have to be a quality product and will have to serve for at least 25 years.

Western rifles are pretty advanced but they won't survive the rigours of Indian Army. We are talking of third largest army here. Equipping our soldiers with the most expensive equipment is easy, the worst part will come afterwards when our soldiers will put these rifles to test like low level of maintenance and care. Face it, our soldiers are not in same league as western soldiers when it comes to handling sophisticated equipment. What our soldiers need is a rifle which requires low level maintenance and high reliability.

Regarding advanced optics - TATA is also looking into optics market.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Can you add the option of F-INSAS Multi Caliber Individual Weapons System? Guys at Defexpo said it's part of te trials for new rifles.

We would love to know more about the gun but honestly none of us has any info on it.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Western rifles are pretty advanced but they won't survive the rigours of Indian Army. We are talking of third largest army here. Equipping our soldiers with the most expensive equipment is easy, the worst part will come afterwards when our soldiers will put these rifles to test like low level of maintenance and care. Face it, our soldiers are not in same league as western soldiers when it comes to handling sophisticated equipment. What our soldiers need is a rifle which requires low level maintenance and high reliability.

Regarding advanced optics - TATA is also looking into optics market.

I have to diagree there mate.

IA is a very disciplined force and not a militia.Coming from the Army background i can say that the Army is very particular about maintenance of its weapons and forget about weapons about even small things.The SF have handled tavor really well till now and i dont find any reason they can handle any complex weapon in the future too..Even the CRPF is taking good care of Tavor.

Regarding the Ak series mate there is no one in this world who would doubt its ruggedness but where the problem comes is its accuracy...SCAR and HK416 would be good choice IMHO.

 

[Abingdonboy]

Western rifles are pretty advanced but they won't survive the rigours of Indian Army. We are talking of third largest army here. Equipping our soldiers with the most expensive equipment is easy, the worst part will come afterwards when our soldiers will put these rifles to test like low level of maintenance and care. Face it, our soldiers are not in same league as western soldiers when it comes to handling sophisticated equipment. What our soldiers need is a rifle which requires low level maintenance and high reliability.

Regarding advanced optics - TATA is also looking into optics market.

Mate this is completely unfair on the IA soldiers and not at all accurate. The IA and Indian military as a while are utter preffesionals who will adapt and master any new tech or equipment hey get. The IA has had little problem setting up their cutting edge EW division or adopting other state if be art kit. If you put the right kit in their hands with proper cleaning kits and he like they will rise to the occasion and do what they need to. It is not a lot to ask for an army as professional as be IA.


That the IA guys won't be abke to operate be system cannot be a consideration.