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tamir

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Hypothetical question.
What if intruding IAF aircraft are shot down? Pilots maybe survive and captured.
Does Pakistan still retaliate and would this be a sufficient to know some sense into India's head?
Usually topics start out fine then get hijacked by a few individuals exchange off topic insults.
Please be objective and stick to the topic.
 
Answer to a hypothetical Question

IF India launches an aerial strike on Pakistani soil, are you not being too optimistic when saying all the aircrafts would be shot down before they accomplish their objective

So even if one aircraft slips past and performs the bombing run it as ordered by India and destroys at least one Pakistani target, would Pakistan simply show the other captured Indian air force pilots to the world and not attempt retaliatory strikes of its own....Impossible.

You will plan a similar strike back.
 
Tamir,

The instant, the IAF planes are flying towards the border, and the moment they come across and launch their weapons, pakistan will launch its response immediately----as IAF have selected their targets---so has the PAF marked their targets on the indian side as well.

There is a good chance that pakistani strike force is sitting HOT ready to take off in an instance---alongwith the cruise missile deployment teams.

Once the hostility starts----the situation becomes fluid---things go out of control and time starts moving at warp speed. Self preservation over powers reasoning in the first few hours of the battle, when the true nature and intent of the enemy attack has not matured yet. The first few hours indeed would be the death defining moments for both the nations.
 
I won't be surprised if Brahmos is used before IAF crosses over, trying to take out PAF airbases identified by Indian intelligence as having the strike air-crafts. Again, just playing devil's advocate here. Just like we will use our Babur's in advance on SAM's and airfields before actual Mirage ROSE and F-16's swoop in for the strike.
 
Answer to a hypothetical Question

IF India launches an aerial strike on Pakistani soil, are you not being too optimistic when saying all the aircrafts would be shot down before they accomplish their objective

So even if one aircraft slips past and performs the bombing run it as ordered by India and destroys at least one Pakistani target, would Pakistan simply show the other captured Indian air force pilots to the world and not attempt retaliatory strikes of its own....Impossible.

You will plan a similar strike back.
Hypothetical question... so being optimistic is irrelevant. I should have been a little more clear about the number of aircraft being shot down.
 
If the aircraft are shot down, there will be nevertheless a retaliate. But I have the bad knowledge that our Pres. Zardari will try to prevent this :undecided:
 
India surgical strike will be in the main its air force.

1. ie Jaguar & mirage 2000 strike planes bcked up by SU30 MKI as Air superiority and mini awacs role.

Typical strike pack will be 4 jags & 2 mirage 2000 with upto 4 SU30 MKI AS top cover.

There may be up to 6 targets. = 60 planes in first wave

2nd The is also another strike may come from BRAHMOS cruise missle which travel up to 290km and travel at MACH 3 IE 3 TIMES SPPED OF SOUND.


BRAHMOS may come from the sea ie delhi class destroyers or from tu95 maritime aeroplanes. or even land based on TATRA TRUCKS.

The 3rd strike wil be smerch MBRL these can staturate 1sq KM of a entire aera in 1 salvo with max range 90km.

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Pakistans main response will be its cruise missle & ballistic missles.

wen kiyani talked abt a response this is wat he is referring to.

I DON,T think PAF can send there mirage 3 * 5S INTO INDIA they will be slaughtered by IAF BVR fighters & SAM systems which include green pine radar s300 SAM 16 & 8 and AKASH SAM systems ...

Pakistans other option is artillary strikes.

INDIA DEFO HAS MORE OPTIONS having better systems
 
el nino, keep on dreaming... Your pilots with their blue painting uniform cannot handle our Tigers, who are awaiting to be freed and our pilots are thirsty!!!:pakistan:
 
Your pilot tigers need some decent planes...

Courage & guts are well and good

But plz hanfdull of F16 with APG 66 radar & no BVR against SU30 MKI mirage 2000 & mig29

The rest of PAF fighter fleet is poor
 

ISLAMABAD: The Senate on Wednesday ruled out the possibility of allowing India ‘surgical strikes’ in saying such attacks would be taken as aggression. “Any violation of Pakistani territory would be considered as war and would be repulsed with full force,” Leader of the House Raza Rabbani said while winding up a debate on national security in the Upper House.

He rejected reports that US Chiefs of Staff Chairman Michael Mullen had asked Pakistan not to retaliate in case of an Indian strike. “We were neither conveyed such a message by Mullen nor are we ready to accept such advice,” Rabbani said. He dismissed reports of differences between the military and civilian leadership. Rabbani offered India co-operation in the Mumbai probe but said Pakistani citizens would not be handed over to India.
 
i think india will not make foolish move by attcking pakistan if they wanted to do the attacks thery have done it before. and if it happens PAF is well equipped and our SAMS are too very good as F 16 remember RBS 70 anti aircraft missile system.
 
we have this shoulder launched state of the art air defence system



The RBS 70 short-range anti-aircraft missile is operational with the Swedish armed forces and has also been exported to 13 countries worldwide, including Australia, Argentina, Bahrain, Brazil, United Arab Emirates, Indonesia, Iran, Ireland, Norway, Pakistan, Singapore and Tunisia.

"The RBS 70 short-range anti-aircraft missile is operational with the Swedish armed forces."The RBS 70 system entered service in 1977 with the mk 1 missile. Current production model is the mk 2. The Bolide missile is a further development of the mk 2 with a new sustainer rocket motor, which increases missile speed and manoeuvrability. Bolide was ordered by Australia in 2003 with a follow-on order in April 2004.

In November 2004, RBS 70 was ordered by the Latvian Air Force. Deliveries are set for 2006-07.

Also in November 2004, a number of RBS 70 systems were handed over by Norway to Lithuania, free of charge. In December 2004, the Czech Republic placed an order for RBS 70 with the Bolide missile.

In January 2007, Finland placed an order for the RBS 70 missile system. Deliveries are scheduled to begin at the end of 2008.

The RBS 70 missile can be operated independently in stand-alone mode or can be configured with several firing units linked with a surveillance radar to form an anti-aircraft battery. The truck-mounted Giraffe land mobile radar developed by Ericsson (now Saab Microwave Systems) can be linked to nine RBS 70 firing posts, The firing posts, typically 4km apart, protect an area of 175km². The target data, including range, bearing and velocity is transmitted to each designated missile firing post.

RBS 70 MISSILE
The basic RBS 70 comprises the missile in a launch container, a tripod firing stand and an optical sight. It is operable by one, and portable by three persons.

"The RBS 70 anti-aircraft missile has a laser beam detector mounted at the back of the missile."The missile is equipped with a solid propellant booster motor developed by Bofors and a solid propellant sustainer motor by BAE Systems Land Systems (Royal Ordnance) and Imperial Metal Industries. When the operator fires the missile, the booster motor is ignited inside the launch tube and the missile is accelerated out of the tube. The control surfaces and the four fins open into position as the missile leaves the tube. The sustainer motor ignites after the missile has travelled a safe distance from the launch position. The booster is subsequently jettisoned.

RBS 70 NIGHT SIGHT
A Saab Vectronics (now FLIR Systems) close loop cooled COND (Clip-On Night Device) operating in the 8 micron to 12 micron infrared band gives the system day and night capability. COND has a 12 x 8° field of view.

Saab Bofors Dynamics has placed an order with FLIR Systems Inc for a new clip-on night sight for the RBS 70 called BORC. BORC is based on QWIP (Quantum Well Infrared Photodetector) thermal imaging technology.

OPERATION

The RBS 70 has laser beam riding guidance, riding a laser signal being beamed from its own launch station, rather than being guided from the front towards the reflected signal from a laser designated target.

A hostile target can be located visually by the missile operator or the target can be detected by a search radar. When the target is acquired, the operator tracks the target and the Raytheon Cossor IFF880 friend or foe system interrogates the target. If a friendly target is detected, a warning light in the sight is illuminated and the firing sequence is halted. The operator aims the missile towards the target, fires and tracks the target, aiming a laser guidance beam continuously at the target until the moment of impact.

"A hostile target can be located visually by the RBS 70 missile operator or the target can be detected by a search radar."The RBS 70 missile has a laser beam detector mounted at the back of the missile which detects the laser guidance beam. The outputs from the laser beam detectors in the tail of the missile are used by an onboard processor to generate the steering and course correction signals to the missile control fins. The missile's flight is gyroscopically stabilised.

The missile has no seeker head at the front of the missile and the laser beam riding system in the tail of the missile is extremely difficult to jam.

If the missile loses the laser beam or if no guidance signals are received after a predetermined period of time during missile flight the missile switches to self-destruct mode.

The missile is armed with a 1.1kg fragmented warhead fitted with a Saab Bofors laser proximity fuse and an impact fuse.

RBS 70 MK 1+ MISSILE
The RBS 70 mk 1+ missile was developed for the Swedish Army and is fitted with an enhanced capability laser seeker with an expanded field of view. A 30% increase in the engagement envelope results from the 57° field of view (compared to 40° in the mk 1 variant). Where a crossing target is being engaged, the wider field of view allows a wider angle between the missile flight path and the laser guidance beam.

RBS 70 MK 2
The mk 2 missile has a 100% increase in area coverage compared to the mk 1. The mk 2 version incorporates a smaller digital electronic control unit, a larger sustainer motor and a heavier warhead, providing an increased speed of 590m/s and range of 7km, with improved armour penetration characteristics.

The warhead is 50% heavier and incorporates fragmentation pellets and a shaped hollow charge for armour penetration against armoured helicopter targets.

BOLIDE

The Bolide missile is a development of the RBS 70 mk 2. It has a maximum speed of more than Mach 2, faster than the RBS70 which has a speed of Mach 1.6.

"The RSB 70 anti-aircraft missile is armed with a 1.1kg fragmented warhead."The Bolide missile design incorporates a number of new systems including a fibre-optic gyroscope, an adaptable proximity fuse which provides all-target capability and a high kill probability against small and dark targets, new sustainer rocket motor with an improved performance propellant and new electronics. The new sustainer rocket motor gives the missile a shorter time of flight and higher manoeuvrability than the RBS 70.

The new compact reprogrammable electronics suite installed in the missile allows the system to be easily upgraded with new software. The missile is primarily for air defence with a maximum intercept altitude at over 5,000m, but it can also be deployed against surface targets. It has a range of 250m to 8,000m.
 
Your pilot tigers need some decent planes...

Courage & guts are well and good

But plz hanfdull of F16 with APG 66 radar & no BVR against SU30 MKI mirage 2000 & mig29

The rest of PAF fighter fleet is poor

Then why was on cia.gov mentioned, that your Air force is very poor and Pakistan has better training than USAF?
 
India surgical strike will be in the main its air force.

1. ie Jaguar & mirage 2000 strike planes bcked up by SU30 MKI as Air superiority and mini awacs role.

Typical strike pack will be 4 jags & 2 mirage 2000 with upto 4 SU30 MKI AS top cover.

There may be up to 6 targets. = 60 planes in first wave

2nd The is also another strike may come from BRAHMOS cruise missle which travel up to 290km and travel at MACH 3 IE 3 TIMES SPPED OF SOUND.


BRAHMOS may come from the sea ie delhi class destroyers or from tu95 maritime aeroplanes. or even land based on TATRA TRUCKS.

The 3rd strike wil be smerch MBRL these can staturate 1sq KM of a entire aera in 1 salvo with max range 90km.

--------------------------------------------------

Pakistans main response will be its cruise missle & ballistic missles.

wen kiyani talked abt a response this is wat he is referring to.

I DON,T think PAF can send there mirage 3 * 5S INTO INDIA they will be slaughtered by IAF BVR fighters & SAM systems which include green pine radar s300 SAM 16 & 8 and AKASH SAM systems ...

Pakistans other option is artillary strikes.

INDIA DEFO HAS MORE OPTIONS having better systems


hey hey i've got a rocket launcher for your sweet SU-30MKI its waiting in Pakistan i am bored....when you coming ?
 
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