What if China, Japan and a reunited Korea were allied?

[soundwave1987]

We tried, but every time when China, South Korea, Japan try to integrate economically(let alone politically), historical arguments, political issues, or territory disputes(which are seeded by the west after WWII)"happened" to bust out just about time, and guess who's behind this and who's benifit from this? Untill now they can manipulate us by stirring things up(most likely to use japanese right wing to piss off China or Korea). I must admit that they are really the master of divide and rule. The truth is, at this moment, united the west dominate, divided the rest of us fail( not only east asia, but also other regions who can challenge the west potentially, most of the regional conflicts are actually bitter fruits suffered by local ppl but borne by western deeds or conspiracies after WWII). Nevertheless, the regional integration can be delayed but not stoped, as long as China continue to grow and S.Korea and Japan continue to prosper, the regional integration is inevitable, and without outside intervention, the tricky political/historical/territory issues would not seems to be so tricky anymore.

 

[jhungary]

In La-La Land

If there is a united "Yellow Race" then you will see Russia Allied to the West to counter the united Yellow Race which 3 of them have border with. And Russian is not someone China, Japan and Korea want to piss off.

In A Geo Political sense, had the situation not change beside China, Japan and Korea have a union, Russia will be isolated.

In Reality.

China can't even get North Korea in line, let alone uniting Korea, and then Japan and China are always going to be head to head in term of economic and territorial issue. Even US force are out of Korea and/or Japan, both would still aligned to the US, as S Korea will always be as long as North Korea is right above them. And Japanese people traditionally did not bow to China, I don't see how they would find a way to uniting with the Chinese

 

[j20blackdragon]

If you want to go into history the top 3 Asian groups are the Han Chinese, Mongols, and the Jurchen/Manchu. Please remember that East Asia has thousands of years of history and warfare. History did not begin in the 19th century with the industrial revolution. China is basically the equivalent of Greece and Rome in East Asia. Mongols have built one of the largest empires in world history. Jurchen/Manchu have built empires.

On the other hand, I've never heard of a Korean empire. Japan tried and failed to build an empire at the end of the 19th century. Japan is now stuck on an island.

So if you want to talk about the strongest Asian groups uniting under one banner, the PRC is it. The Qing Dynasty extending to the modern-day PRC is a union of Han Chinese, Mongols, and Manchu. Once we catch up in technology, you will see what we can do.

 

[TheNoob]

Never happening, and even if its possible, US Wont like it.
You wanna know why?
Its simple, these 3 united are strong enough to handle the world much better than the US. (Economically And Militarily)

 

[IR-TR]

In La-La Land

If there is a united "Yellow Race" then you will see Russia Allied to the West to counter the united Yellow Race which 3 of them have border with. And Russian is not someone China, Japan and Korea want to piss off.

In A Geo Political sense, had the situation not change beside China, Japan and Korea have a union, Russia will be isolated.

In Reality.

China can't even get North Korea in line, let alone uniting Korea, and then Japan and China are always going to be head to head in term of economic and territorial issue. Even US force are out of Korea and/or Japan, both would still aligned to the US, as S Korea will always be as long as North Korea is right above them. And Japanese people traditionally did not bow to China, I don't see how they would find a way to uniting with the Chinese

In reality, if we're really honest about things, 'Russians' stop being Russians East from the Urals. Russians are white Europeans. Everything East of the Urals is just conquered land, conquered by some barbaric czars. Not that it should be returned or what not, but it's a fact that when push comes to shove, Russia will ally with the West, and not with the East.

About North Korea, never mind them. They need a controlled 'collapse', and that will only happen if and when US troops have left the South. China would and should never allow US troops stationed on it's own borders..

The only disputed China and Japan have over territory are some uninhabited islands. In the greater scheme of things, with trillions of dollars of mutual trade and investments, those tiny little island disputes can easily be solved by compromise. Heck, you'll see the bigger disputes, like Kashmir, being solved because of those reasons, so never mind uninhabited islands. It just takes time. But in the end, the interests of Japan, China and Korea are a lot closer than those of far away countries.

Never happening, and even if its possible, US Wont like it.
You wanna know why?
Its simple, these 3 united are strong enough to handle the world much better than the US. (Economically And Militarily)

Oh it WILL happen, it just takes time. That time comes when Japan decides it doesn't want to be used as a pawn anymore, and when it realized it can't 'compete' with China one on one. Just like the Brits did with Germany. If you can't beat em, join em.

If you want to go into history the top 3 Asian groups are the Han Chinese, Mongols, and the Jurchen/Manchu. Please remember that East Asia has thousands of years of history and warfare. History did not begin in the 19th century with the industrial revolution. China is basically the equivalent of Greece and Rome in East Asia. Mongols have built one of the largest empires in world history. Jurchen/Manchu have built empires.

On the other hand, I've never heard of a Korean empire. Japan tried and failed to build an empire at the end of the 19th century. Japan is now stuck on an island.

So if you want to talk about the strongest Asian groups uniting under one banner, the PRC is it. The Qing Dynasty extending to the modern-day PRC is a union of Han Chinese, Mongols, and Manchu. Once we catch up in technology, you will see what we can do.

I believe you will. But it needn't be 'united' or under a single banner. I just mean a regional union or partnership, that partners on security issues, opening up resources and markets worldwide, coordinating investments abroad etc. Perhaps a monetary union? I don't mean China annexing Japan and Korea

 

[TheNoob]

Oh it WILL happen, it just takes time. That time comes when Japan decides it doesn't want to be used as a pawn anymore, and when it realized it can't 'compete' with China one on one. Just like the Brits did with Germany. If you can't beat em, join em.

Wise words mate. Wise words.

 

[Norwegian]

In a century or so.

Not going to happen. You East Asians are far too racist and pround for any kind of future alliance to happen.
PS: Don't get offended, as it's what I observed after meeting with Japanese, Koreans and Chinese here in Norway.

A little episode happened with me not so many years ago. As I recall, we were playing cricket and some Chinese-looking guy approached us and asked to join. It was fine of course until we forgot to ask his name and some kid called him Chinese. It made him so mad that he punched him right into his face. We found out later that he was a Korean but adopted by an ethnic Norwegian family.

 

[XiaoYaoZi]

Just look at the "one belt, one road" strategy. The ambition of China is far larger than your imagination. China will build a new world economic and culture system like the globe trade system built by US or the Council of Mutual Economic Assistance built by USSR, which will be larger. It is not Regional economic integration, it is Global economic integration. It is not wise for China to confine itself in the little East Asia. Even as the tributary system of China in history, It should include the South East Asia, some South Asia countries and Middle East Asia countries.

 

[大汉奸柳传志]

Isn‘t Japan and Korea already allied? At least according to the White House they are.

It is already happening between china and Korea, we already had south korea's heart, but unfortunately her beautiful body is still owned by uncle sam.
Japan is just having trouble to accept that fact that china is getting so strong, they wrongly believed that the reason why they successfully invaded china in WWII is because Japanese civilisation is superior to Chinese civilisation, or because Japanese people is superior to Chinese people, but the real reason is just an industrialised Japan is superior to an agricultural China. As China keep industrialising at this speed and scale, the Japanese are questioning their superiority complex. Maybe a decade later, when they tried, tired and still unable to stop china's rise, they will have to do a strategy reassessment.

What's happening between China and Korea is merely economic integration, far from political alliance, and since when is Japan considered a civilisation??

 

[IR-TR]

Not going to happen. You East Asians are far too racist and pround for any kind of future alliance to happen.
PS: Don't get offended, as it's what I observed after meeting with Japanese, Koreans and Chinese here in Norway.

A little episode happened with me not so many years ago. As I recall, we were playing cricket and some Chinese-looking guy approached us and asked to join. It was fine of course until we forgot to ask his name and some kid called him Chinese. It made him so mad that he punched him right into his face. We found out later that he was a Korean but adopted by an ethnic Norwegian family.

Yeah that's great. Racist against your own race. It's a sense of superiority, as all three, mostly China, have great eras in history to show to. But they're the same people if you look at the map. How the hell do Koreans get to be another race when they're just an appendix of China? Same for Japan. Anyway, economy and trade weigh heavier than any other thing, especially ancient history. Look at Korea's FTA with China. The sole country crying most about that is Japan. Why? Because they're left out and they want IN. They will get IN before long.

 

[terranMarine]

Should the East Asian integration become a reality (hypothetically speaking) it will be one heck of a bloc (a military alliance included). You will have China (the biggest economy in making plus a fully absorbed Taiwan), Japan who will remain the #3 for some time and the rapidly growing South Korea. The bilateral trade amongst these countries are huge. Lets leave DPRK out for now but should she open up, reform and integrate with the rest of us the potential is there. From the military alliance perspective, it will be a very powerful standalone entity on its own. I won't be going into details about each nation's military strength, everyone can do an online search. But yeah China as the big boss, both Koreas and Japan as our sidekicks. Boy that's one mighty force to be reckoned with. Enough with fantasizing back to reality now.

 

[XiangLong]

A unified East-Asia would be a major headache for the west. Whether this Asian union would have a democratic system or not, doesn't matter to the west. We would be marked as the new primary threat to the US and her allies.

Judging from history, we all know that the American foreign and economic policy doesn't make distinctions between democratic or non-democratic, when it comes to securing her interests. If you threaten American hegemony in any way, you will be dealt with, regardless of your race, ideologies or religion.

 

[Norwegian]

East Asia united like EU can easily dominate the entire world. They have the best brains in high-tech (South Korea), science (Japan), mathematics (China) and an abundance of natural resources. What more do they need?

@Nihonjin1051 @Chinese-Dragon

 

[jhungary]

In reality, if we're really honest about things, 'Russians' stop being Russians East from the Urals. Russians are white Europeans. Everything East of the Urals is just conquered land, conquered by some barbaric czars. Not that it should be returned or what not, but it's a fact that when push comes to shove, Russia will ally with the West, and not with the East.

About North Korea, never mind them. They need a controlled 'collapse', and that will only happen if and when US troops have left the South. China would and should never allow US troops stationed on it's own borders..

The only disputed China and Japan have over territory are some uninhabited islands. In the greater scheme of things, with trillions of dollars of mutual trade and investments, those tiny little island disputes can easily be solved by compromise. Heck, you'll see the bigger disputes, like Kashmir, being solved because of those reasons, so never mind uninhabited islands. It just takes time. But in the end, the interests of Japan, China and Korea are a lot closer than those of far away countries.

First of all, Not really much of a point saying what land "SHOULD" belong to Russia, if you claim so, how about Russia never existed? How about What if Germany or France conquered Russia by winning Stalingrad and Moscow or What if Napoleon won the Battle of Waterloo.

You ask a what if question about the future, and the future is based on actual history now, hence what you think what Russia belong DOES NOT MATTER, what matter is that Russia control East of Ural NOW. And if you have to go and ask what if there are East Asian union, then you need to factor in Russia with the threat level as of current, otherwise if you want to go with the "Alternative History" lane, then your question is nothing more than a fictional story,

Second point is, you cannot "Control Collapse" a nuclear power, you can do it before in the 1950 by NOT intervening the Korea War and let the US and UN force conquer North Korea, and unify it. Then there will not be a reason for US to station troop in Korea and in some sense, even japan, but the problem is, you intervened, that's in hind sight is the dumbest thing you can do. As China now created a buffer that unstable and missed the chance to capture Taiwan.

Thirdly, Economy is not EVERYTHING and you are seriously underestimate Japan. Even if Chinese GDP are 6 times of Japanese own, Japan simply won't fold and enter into a Union with China, US bombed Japan to shit during WW2, that's Zero Productivities for those who care to think about, and they did not enter a Union with US instead they stated independent. And even in historic term, refused to denounce the emperor and accept certain demand to "bend over" to the US, who actually asked for an unconditional surrender. They have more national pride than any one else, including the US and China

You are, as with other Chinese member here, over-estimated the Economic Aspect, you expect if you invest in some country then that country will fall into line, but you know what happened in reality? in Real history? Those Country will simply say thank you then took your money and ran. Again, as I mentioned many time in this forum, it had happened to the US in the 50s (Cuba), 60s (Laos), 70s (Afghanistan), 80s (Iran) and 90s (Iraq), what, why and how would you think they will not happen to China??

Business is Business, Political affiliation is another Question. It is dangerous to think investment and trade can forge long lasting relation. What if someone offer a bigger pie to that country? Would you think they will not switch side?

Now, this is the Reality

 

[Armstrong]

They have more national pride than any one else, including the US and China

Not more than us !

If someone pricks my finger I bleed green and white !