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@Abu Nasar, again am asking what it has to do with topic at hand? A guy asked whether muslim can pray in Vatican, I showed him they can..
There is no reason to pray in public like that----. This prayer was for show----.
He forgot golden rule regarding liberty..
1) You showed him / us a link, from an institution which has zero credibility.
2) Do you want me to publish the UN report on children abuse by the Vatican?
3) Is this an institution you should be quoting, and gloating?
Your next move could open up a Pandora's box. Be careful, very careful!
Lolz!! are you threatening me??
No telling you to quit trolling, and talking crap!
It has everything to do with your hypocrisy. You quote from an institution that has zero credibility, and then act dumb. Typical troll!What you are saying is nothing to do with the topic. Open a new thread about it..
As far as topic is concerned, yes muslims can pray in Vatican..
No they can't. Provide us with a credible source. You just saying so, doesn't cut it!
Where did I ask you to show me churches?? I asked whether a Christian or Hindu can practice his faith with out fear in an Islamic country?
You are putting words on my mouth.. I never mentioned any christian sites criticizing Islam and why dont you check with your friends whether Saudis allow any churches in Saudi Arabia instead of showing some old non functioning church.. Those churches who you are showing were just before Islam was introduced..
If it was "Niyyat" that is what mattered as you said, prayer could have waited till he got to some proper place. But no, he had to do it in open and on a footpath just because it was time for prayer?Niyyat of the worshiper matters here.
oh the shariah in BruneiOoops, I mixed up this thread with another Islamophobic thread about some laws in some country(never mind) and good job on clearing people's misconceptionthough I would simply ignore them as trolls are never going to learn...
They have churches which simply shows that the current law wasnt always there (regarding practices of Non Muslims in Saudi)...sadly Vatican doesnt even have a mosque or a corner for Muslims to prayWhere did I ask you to show me churches?? I asked whether a Christian or Hindu can practice his faith with out fear in an Islamic country?
You are putting words on my mouth.. I never mentioned any christian sites criticizing Islam and why dont you check with your friends whether Saudis allow any churches in Saudi Arabia instead of showing some old non functioning church.. Those churches who you are showing were just before Islam was introduced..
Well, then why advertise this steep bigotry and not advertise the tolerant part? By you advertising / crying over the bigotry people...you seem to have fueled them with the needed attention and confidence to continue on...Saddist people exist in every society!They were beaten to death for defending an Ahmadi in court over a blasphemy case. I am against bigotry wherever it comes from. I have condemned any Indians that shows bigotry, people who have seen my posts will vouch for that.
As for the tolerance in your area, listen, I am not denying that a huge percentage of Pakistanis are actually very tolerant when it comes to religion. But there is an equally significant part that is steeped in religious bigotry from head to toe. There is no denying it. I have lived in several places in Pakistan, so it wasn't just one street. I have relatives and friends in other areas who report the same bigotry. So it can't be just one street I lived.
That is not nosy...when you add Hydrogen to Oxygen you get water...You dont call it Hydrogen oxide but water or aqua or whatever...Likewise when you add another trait to Islam...how can you call it Islam? (Honest question)As for Pakistanis not being nosy about other people, what would you call the forms one has to sign in Pakistan to get a passport categorically stating that they are not ahmadis and then abuse the founder of our community, that's not nosy at all is it?
That is not nosy but a little jahal maybe! I dont know about properties but why would you want to claim to be Ahmadi when you know what it is said about you in the adjusted Constitution? I had suggested a simple way out...Call yourselves Ahmadi different from Muslims...simple! Win win situation...Muslims wont fear adulteration of Islam and you guys wont be targeted...or how about making a totally separate list of Ahmadi voters, even separate from other "non muslims". Guess to you that's not nosy at all? Or the fact that in some areas of Pakistan you cannot buy property if they find out you are Ahmadi. Nope, I guess that's not bigotry or being extremely nosy ?
No one is ignoring the problems but you by highlighting the small idiots who do something is definitely giving them confidence to grow! Who knows they will be like yes! We have shown Ahmadis this and that and they are crying to the media so its true! Saying so adds more people to wondering why you guys are scared!Lol, you state I am projecting my "Gali's people" as whole of Pakistan, while you yourself do the exact same thing. Well okay, if by ignoring the fact that there are some serious problems in Pakistan makes you feel easier to sleep at night, then so be it.
they will still have angels to ask the questions no?Well what IF someone misses prayers on a regular basis?
^no harm, i personally dont like it very muchHow is this a mockery? Did someone beat up the guy? Did someone say something bad? Did someone feel as offended as PDF Indians?
Cars are not cheap here! What is the harm in praying in public?![]()
Well, then why advertise this steep bigotry and not advertise the tolerant part? By you advertising / crying over the bigotry people...you seem to have fueled them with the needed attention and confidence to continue on...Saddist people exist in every society!
That is not nosy...when you add Hydrogen to Oxygen you get water...You dont call it Hydrogen oxide but water or aqua or whatever...Likewise when you add another trait to Islam...how can you call it Islam? (Honest question)
That is not nosy but a little jahal maybe! I dont know about properties but why would you want to claim to be Ahmadi when you know what it is said about you in the adjusted Constitution? I had suggested a simple way out...Call yourselves Ahmadi different from Muslims...simple! Win win situation...Muslims wont fear adulteration of Islam and you guys wont be targeted...
No one is ignoring the problems but you by highlighting the small idiots who do something is definitely giving them confidence to grow! Who knows they will be like yes! We have shown Ahmadis this and that and they are crying to the media so its true! Saying so adds more people to wondering why you guys are scared!
Ahmadi detectedYou're logic and reasoning is quite hilarious. Hydrogen oxide? lol. Ahmadis are crying to the media? yes, you should be glad we are crying to the media and not strapping bombs to ourselves like your fellow "believers". I mean the ones who blow themselves up are muslim according to your hydrogen formula? the ones who chop of Pakistanis heads are also muslims as well. Seems like the only time this crowd of a nation takes you seriously is when you start killing them, then you'll have bearded buffons calling you shaheeds and politicians falling over themselves to placate you.
You call bigotry and human rights "a little nosy". While muslims in western countries cry foul when a law is discussed that might curtail their own human rights. What a joke. By advertising the bigotry we fuel them? Then why do muslims cry about Palestine, or the Iraq war? I mean by your own logic, aren't you fuelling American oppression more when you protest etc?
And finally, your brilliant plan to stop persecution in Pakistan, throw away our fundamental human right to please bigots? I am not scared, if it wasn't for our beliefs, we could have also picked up our guns, I bet you would be singing a different tune then, right? We would probably also have zarvan type fellows on this forum defending our actions?
Did I say they are Muslims? Show me 1 post I said what your brain went in a fury about! Learn to fix your mindset first before pointing fingers... And from what you wrote...(made bold to show as proof) It seems like you are dying to be recognized by the same people you are claiming bearded baffoons?!You're logic and reasoning is quite hilarious. Hydrogen oxide? lol. Ahmadis are crying to the media? yes, you should be glad we are crying to the media and not strapping bombs to ourselves like your fellow "believers". I mean the ones who blow themselves up are muslim according to your hydrogen formula? the ones who chop of Pakistanis heads are also muslims as well. Seems like the only time this crowd of a nation takes you seriously is when you start killing them, then you'll have bearded buffons calling you shaheeds and politicians falling over themselves to placate you.
Did I? I questioned the term nosy introduced! You introduced it in post 419 not me...Kindly distinguish what you say when you are angry from what I said...Dont try to put your words in my statements!You call bigotry and human rights "a little nosy".
You do fuel them when you advertise they are after you! Esp when you proudly say you are Ahmadi and challenge them! Its like kicking a crocodile and waiting for it to apologize to you for the kick! Or when you make a mockery (already discussed in another thread you can ask @Azlan Haider for the thread where I went through what Mr. Mirza himself said equating himself to Muhammad and hence justifying his stance as a Rasool...seriously in such a way any man called Muhammad and Ahmad should start proclaiming he gets revelations and is the chosen one....a story for another day but that in itself is mocking us!) ...After mocking us you say we are the evil ones!While muslims in western countries cry foul when a law is discussed that might curtail their own human rights. What a joke. By advertising the bigotry we fuel them? Then why do muslims cry about Palestine, or the Iraq war? I mean by your own logic, aren't you fuelling American oppression more when you protest etc?
I never called you bigot but you seem to be calling us bigots and then saying you are the oppressed?And finally, your brilliant plan to stop persecution in Pakistan, throw away our fundamental human right to please bigots? I am not scared, if it wasn't for our beliefs, we could have also picked up our guns, I bet you would be singing a different tune then, right? We would probably also have zarvan type fellows on this forum defending our actions?