What happens when a muslim prays in a public area in US

[Hindustani78]

ashamed by such selfish devotion? Oh please. what's right or wrong is subjective, what according to you is right might not be for others.

Just don't understand what is your problem ? Right and wrong are subjective that time only when there is concrete evidence but here its really strange that the whole thread is based on one clip.

 

[liontk]

First of all I have a problem with the author of this thread because this is strictly a international defence forum with leanings towards Pakistan affairs, however this thread serves no purpose in the scheme of things in this forum. @MastanKhan , I was on the fence about religious freedom but you are right how can one concentrate on their prayers with the background noice. Also you raised another point and again I have no right to question ones beliefs as they are private but in some anecdotal cases, I have noticed some muslim brothers in congregation that simply do not even know the meaning of Koran verses that they are reading in prayer. They just memorize the verses and regurgitate them in prayer similar to a ritual so this again may be one of those prayers that i have encountered before, where you really don't need much concentration sine you dont even know what one is say.to begin with. Sorry to get offtopic mon ami but good points in your post and I do agree that prayer should be a private matter.

 

[ranjeet]

Just don't understand what is your problem ? Right and wrong are subjective that time only when there is concrete evidence but here its really strange that the whole thread is based on one clip.

I don't have any problem whats so ever, I was talking about the overall issue not this particular clip. Anyway lets just agree to disagree.

 

[Hindustani78]

First of all I have a problem with the author of this thread because this is strictly a international defence forum with leanings towards Pakistan affairs, however this thread serves no purpose in the scheme of things in this forum. @MastanKhan , I was on the fence about religious freedom but you are right how can one concentrate on their prayers with the background noice. Also you raised another point and again I have no right to question ones beliefs as they are private but in some anecdotal cases, I have noticed some muslim brothers in congregation that simply do not even know the meaning of Koran verses that they are reading in prayer. They just memorize the verses and regurgitate them in prayer similar to a ritual so this again may be one of those prayers that i have encountered before, where you really don't need much concentration sine you dont even know what one is say.to begin with. Sorry to get offtopic mon ami but good points in your post and I do agree that prayer should be a private matter.

These days Muslims do understand Quran because of the so much work done in tafsir etc.

I don't have any problem whats so ever, I was talking about the overall issue not this particular clip. Anyway lets just agree to disagree.

Issues can be taken out even from other people beliefs but that wont take anyone anywhere. People should really change here.

 

[ranjeet]

These days Muslims do understand Quran because of the so much work done in tafsir etc.



Issues can be taken out even from other people beliefs but that wont take anyone anywhere. People should really change here.

Stop being so defensive ... I wasn't talking about one religion alone. I did give the example of kavad. So no need to be judgmental.

 

[Hindustani78]

Stop being so defensive ... I wasn't talking about one religion alone. I did give the example of kavad. So no need to be judgmental.

Its better to avoid such subjects because its election time.

 

[ranjeet]

Its better to avoid such subjects because its election time.

lol it's all cool man. I don't have any ill will. Anyway lets avoid it.

 

[Hindustani78]

lol it's all cool man. I don't have any ill will. Anyway lets avoid it.

You see by yourself , the thread started about some guy praying in public place in America and from there to Delhi.

Faith cant be judge by people as its the work of the Creator.

 

[MastanKhan]

" Hindustani78
These days Muslims do understand Quran because of the so much work done in tafsir etc".


Hi,
that is what the muslims want to believe in----but they don't even understand an iota of what qura'an is---and they simply cannot understand what Qura'an is---and there is a reason for that----Allah has blinded them---allah has taken their abilities of understanding of Qura'an----all they can do is read it and read it more----that is all.

There are some basic fundamentals of islam----if they are not enforced---there is no islam---.
First---justice and protection for the weak and the poor the women folk, the children, the minorities----equality to all---regardless of race color creed gender ethnic group or poverty---freedom to practise your beliefs.

Justice to the weak and the poor is the foundation stone of any society----and a society that believes that Qura'an is THE complete way of life---it if cannot provide with this very basic fundamental----the very reason that the people converted to islam---that society has lost its connection of understanding its religion, faith and guidance.

Look at the pathetic condition of the muslims world wide---they are living like 'cursed' nations---majority living in poverty and filth, crime and nepotism rampant, pius muslims lying while bearing witness to the Qura'an, lying while bearing witness to Allah, lying in the court of law without any fear of retribution from Allah, the judges in the islamic court of laws being more afraid of the criminals than the criminals being afraid of the judges, judges begging the criminals to be afraid of allah when they die rather than bearing the wrath of the court of law in this life--

 

[Hindustani78]

Hi,

that is what the muslims want to believe in----but they don't even understand an iota of what qura'an is---and they simply cannot understand what Qura'an is---and there is a reason for that----Allah has blinded them---allah has taken their abilities of understanding of Qura'an----all they can do is read it and read it more----that is all.

There are some basic fundamentals of islam----if they are not enforced---there is no islam---and it is not shariah.

First---justice and protection for the weak and the poor the women folk, the children, the minorities----equality to all---regardless of race color creed gender ethnic group or poverty---freedom to practise your beliefs.

Sir---look at the pathetic condition of the muslims world wide---they are living like 'cursed' nations---majority living in poverty and filth, crime and nepotism rampant, pius muslims lying while bearing witness to the Qura'an, lying while bearing witness to Allah, lying in the court of law without any fear of retribution from Allah, the judges in the islamic court of laws being more afraid of the criminals than the criminals being afraid of the judges, judges begging the criminals to be afraid of allah when they die rather than bearing the wrath of the court of law in this life----.

Here you are forgetting one thing that ALLAH shows the way to whom he wants and whatever the issues we are seeing in Muslim communities of South Asia, Africa and Sub Continent are due to other things and the same issues we see even in the people of other religions alike. So does this means that the God of the people of other religions is even angry on them ?

 

[nana41]

Hi,

What I would like to say is that----GIVE THE PRAYER THE RESPECT THAT IT DESERVES---. Make it an honorable act---make it a dignified act---not like slam bam thank you ma'am---.

The side walk act is not a prayer----the hallways act is not a prayer---public lawn act is not a prayer---IT IS A HOLIER THAN THOU ACT---it say---LOOK AT ME---I AM HOLIER THAN YOU---.

There is an old saying---that there is a time and a place for everything---and when you are travelling---allah has given you the excuse for delaying your prayer for a more convenient time.



Hi,

That does not make any sense at all----he can sit in the car seat and make his prayer.

These actions of some of the muslims speak a lot and they tell us that there is a lack of basic religious teaching and understanding of what prayer ( salat ) is.

Praying In public places can be eccepted on very special occasions like Eid, only if near by mosques are not big enough.Praying on top of boot of a car(an old foto) is an idiotic act of a show off.

 

[Hindustani78]

Praying In public places can be accepted on very special occasions like Eid, only if near by mosques are not big enough.Praying on top of boot of a car(an old foto) is an idiotic act of a show off.

Prayers are for the creator not for some bystanders.

 

[nana41]

Prayers are for the creator not for some bystanders.

Bystanders should not stand by and make place even more congested, they should keep on walking.

 

[Yeti]

Seen the odd person pray on the tube but not seen any Muslims pray in the park, at work we got a separate room for it where people can put their prayer mats and do their thing.

 

[nana41]

These days Muslims do understand Quran because of the so much work done in tafsir etc.



Issues can be taken out even from other people beliefs but that wont take anyone anywhere. People should really change here.

"Quraan duniya ki woh mazloom kitab hey jise samjhey baghair parrha jata hey" Allama Iqbal ( r.a)