What does it mean to be Pakistani?

[Fish]

Finally, it has to be pounded in with a ball-peen hammer.

Right back at ya!

 

[Mirzali Khan]

If you choose to.

BTW, What practical difference does it make what herd one's born into? Besides maybe language. You can change that too. Learn a new language. We all do anyway.

I don’t understand the point you are trying to make.

 

[Drexluddin Khan Spiveyzai]

I don’t understand the point you are trying to make.

My ethnicity doesn't define who I am. I had no choice over where I was born, what language I grew up speaking and what's my skin tone. It's not an achievement to be proud of nor a failure to be ashamed of. I am proud of my ideology and my sense of morality, proud that I had a choice and I chose well. I am ashamed that my actions do not always reflect my ideals and my morals. And that I need to improve.

That's my point. I'd like to know how much of it do you agree with and what do you disagree with?

@M. Sarmad , Sarmad Bhai, I believe you hold the same views?

 

[TheSolution]

The force that binds us together should be the Constitution—not the army, or even religion. Yes, Islam is the state religion, but we cannot force upon a specific interpretation of Islam on the people. Hence, religion has been devisive, not unifiying.

This is wrong.

Firstly a constitution only serves as a legal instrument at a political level, it doesn't bind the average person or create the essence of a nation. I could create a colonial empire spanning from parts of Africa, to East Asia to Europe, but a constitution doesn't establish unity or a true sense of nationhood or identity between the people. An East Asian will have no affinity to the African just because of a constitution.

A true sense of nationhood and unity is built upon common characteristics such as shared language, culture, history, ethnicity, phenotype. Liberal politics pushes diversity being a strength as an ignorant & utopian way of virtue signalling, but true strength has always been in homogeneity, because homogeneity breeds stability and a sense of connection between peers in a diverse world. It's the only practical and real thing you share with others on this planet, apart from being human. Diversity on the other hand breeds a strong outer-group bias and a strong sense of internal tribalism; perfect for instability, conflict and civil war. Why would they feel unity when in every realistic sense they have little to nothing in common, it's people with arbitrary characteristics from various parts of the world, at that point it reduces the meaning of a nation to simply just a geographical marked territory. Why stop at feeling a sense of "brotherhood" with those within the territory and not the world as a whole?

This is exactly why religion is such a powerful tool, it allows people to superficially feel connected and binded together, it united Arabia in the historical times, and today we can even see it when Pakistani Shias and Afghan Shias support Iran (Shia) over their own nation.

So let me reiterate something the Pakistani government and ISI would be wise to take seriously; cultural & religious homogeneity and assimilation is the most important thing which makes a nation, a nation. Otherwise it's just randomised pieces of a puzzle waiting to fall apart.

@_NOBODY_ @ThunderCat
@RescueRanger @Menace2Society @LeGenD

 

[Drexluddin Khan Spiveyzai]

So let me reiterate something the Pakistani government and ISI would be wise to take seriously; cultural & religious homogeneity and assimilation is the most important thing which makes a nation, a nation.

Well, seems they have wised up. Unlike before, they are instilling that ideological homogeneity by picking up and torturing every ethnicity without distinction now. So, as a nation we're all a bit closer now than we were a year ago.

P.S. Welcome back, bruv. Where did you vanish?

@AlKardai

 

[M. Sarmad]

My ethnicity doesn't define who I am. I had no choice over where I was born, what language I grew up speaking and what's my skin tone. It's not an achievement to be proud of nor a failure to be ashamed of. I am proud of my ideology and my sense of morality, proud that I had a choice and I chose well. I am ashamed that my actions do not always reflect my ideals and my morals. And that I need to improve.

That's my point. I'd like to know how much of it do you agree with and what do you disagree with?

@M. Sarmad , Sarmad Bhai, I believe you hold the same views?

Yes, I hold a similar viewpoint

 

[HAIDER]

What is correct sequence given by Jinnah ? ... this sequence been changed many times intentionally ...

 

[TheSolution]

Well, seems they have wised up. Unlike before, they are instilling that ideological homogenity by picking up and torturing every ethnicity without distinction now. So, as a nation we're all a bit closer now than we were a year ago.

P.S. Welcome back, bruv. Where did you vanish?

Politics was getting too repetitive and boring.

But yes, Pakistani government's sense of equality is very different to other parts of the world, treat everyone like shit equally

What are the latest updates as I haven't been keeping up, how's Hafiz saab doing

 

[Krptonite]

Dada, you're letting your sentiments get the best of you.

He's not interested in finding the truth, otherwise a wiser man would have atleast researched what Hamoodur comission is.

Its bait and switch to focus on sentiment of the argument to forego on the substance. Studies have indicated that when people are shown evidence contrary to their beliefs, they double down instead of expanding their views. What proof, argument or historical evidence can you muster up against such a formidable psychological quirk.

 

[Drexluddin Khan Spiveyzai]

Politics was getting too repetitive and boring.

Good for you. But, you're back like a fly to shit. Can't resist. None of us can either.

What are the latest updates as I haven't been keeping up, how's Hafiz saab doing

Things are fucked up. I have intentionally shut out all the messed up stuff.

They're picking up and torturing women too. Not sparing anyone. SQ8 said an distinguish ex-Commodore's son was picked up for displaying a placard. Tortured him. His mother was also dragged and all, iirc.

I can tell it's fked up because whatever happened in that time, it broke RescueRanger. He was one of the most zen people here and this shit broke him too.

He regularly updates the thread. You can give it a read.

Ousted Prime Minister Imran Khan Arrested: News and Discussion

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defence.pk

 

[ThunderCat]

I'm not disagreeing. Just expressing amusement at the discussion having wandered in a full circle.

I didn't notice that. But regardless, it's a circle now complete.

 

[SecularNationalist]

AKA follow the system of daddy west and forget your own culture, traditions and religion and forsake Allah

You daily give Bj to your daddy west by using their technology in your daily life and here come to lecture on Islam and traditions.
First achieve something then have that sense of pride.

 

[Mirzali Khan]

My ethnicity doesn't define who I am. I had no choice over where I was born, what language I grew up speaking and what's my skin tone. It's not an achievement to be proud of nor a failure to be ashamed of. I am proud of my ideology and my sense of morality, proud that I had a choice and I chose well. I am ashamed that my actions do not always reflect my ideals and my morals. And that I need to improve.

That's my point. I'd like to know how much of it do you agree with and what do you disagree with?

@M. Sarmad , Sarmad Bhai, I believe you hold the same views?

What does that have to do with being Pakistani though?

Wouldn’t that apply to everyone?

 

[Drexluddin Khan Spiveyzai]

What does that have to do with being Pakistani though?

Wouldn’t that apply to everyone?

We were talking about ethnicity being the identity of a person. I disagreed with that.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Yes, I hold a similar viewpoint

And I think this is the best, amidst difficult choices.

Dada, you're letting your sentiments get the best of you.

He's not interested in finding the truth, otherwise a wiser man would have atleast researched what Hamoodur comission is.

Its bait and switch to focus on sentiment of the argument to forego on the substance. Studies have indicated that when people are shown evidence contrary to their beliefs, they double down instead of expanding their views. What proof, argument or historical evidence can you muster up against such a formidable psychological quirk.

Cognitive dissonance.

Ironically a term originated in management jargon.

You have a point.

On my side, I feel the need to keep the real thing in front of these totally disturbed young minds, totally destroyed by the toxic content of their text books.

It does not mean disappointment when those cues are not taken.