Out of the 93,539 killed, do you have breakout of how many were killed by your Jihadis? Same question on the rapes. Are the dead Indian soldiers, CRPF also included in your statistics? How about the Pundits your jihadis killed in cold blood? They in there too?
What does China think about Kashmir. My POV
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Out of the 93,539 killed, do you have breakout of how many were killed by your Jihadis? Same question on the rapes. Are the dead Indian soldiers, CRPF also included in your statistics? How about the Pundits your jihadis killed in cold blood? They in there too?
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I will tell you how Kashmir problem would have been solved long before as you know J&K was a princely state with Muslim majority but in Jammu region Hindu being in majority. By then rule was that no separate independence will be given to any princely state and they have 2 years to join which ever country (India or Pakistan) they want to join, in India The proposal was that Jummu as being Hindu region can come to India and Kashmir can go to Pakistan as in the case Punjab and Bengal has been divided earlier, according to Indian cabinet report made available after 60 years that has come to general public domain. If only Pakistan would not have send the tribal fighter along with own ranger force to Kashmir this problem would not have arise and we would not have fought 5 wars with you also not loosing half of your country its all interlinked.
Now its a matter of prestige and ego for India and it will not let J&K go to Pakistan or gain independence. See we can all give hyped details of 70 thousand people died in Kashmir same way in Pakistan you have lost 50 thousand people in just one year, more people have died in Pakistan in terror related activity in last one year then combined whole world, and its not hear say just Google it and you will know the situation.
Now it totally depend on Pakistan where it want to go with this either you can leave Kashmir to India and let it handle it or if you keep going fingering India, it will have no option other than to push Pakistan into Baluchistan and tribal areas from other sources and i think you know which countries are helping India on this. You need to understand India has moved from center left country to Center right. It is increasingly going on tit for tat formula.
India has got economy on its side and in next 10 years it will be miles ahead to Pakistan, and you being educated know whole world respect power either economical (like Japan,Germany) or joint economical militarily (US,china), Only militarily power never goes far (eg. Russia, North Korea) oil prices has gone down Russia is huffing and puffing. I sincerely think Pakistan leave Kashmir and start progressing with or without help from India. If whole Europe can fought two world war and forget 1000 years fighting and can form EU, we are just 60 years apart countries at least we can try to leave in peace and let others also leave in peace. On Visa issue you can Google India provided more visa to Pakistanis then other way around.
I would urge more Pakistan members to participate and discuss and reply this issue but please no troll!!!!
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Crimea Referendum Sparks Secession Debate In China
In the aftermath of Crimea's controversial referendum and overwhelming vote to leave Ukraine and rejoin Russia, Chinese diplomats found themselves facing a dilemma: throw their support behind Russia or adhere to China's long-standing policy of non-interference in other countries' internal affairs.
In an attempt to balance this policy with Beijing's budding relationship with Russia, diplomats were non-committal, choosing not to endorse Russia's actions in Crimea or support a U.N. resolution condemning the referendum.
Yet while diplomats took the middle road, in Chinese cyberspace netizens fiercely debated what kind of precedent the referendum set for China's own territorial issues: Was Crimea's referendum like a long-dreamed-of vote in Taiwan to rejoin the mainland? Or like a dreaded vote by Tibet to leave the People's Republic of China?
"A correct comparison would be Chinese troops are stationed in Taiwan and Taiwan votes to reunite with the mainland," wrote one person on China's Twitter-esque micro-blogging site Sina Weibo.
Others took the opposite tack, rebutting pro-referendum sentiment with a dire warning.
"When the day arrives that Americans, Japanese and Europeans encourage [the Chinese provinces of] Xinjiang, Inner Mongolia and Tibet to have referendums, will our public intellectuals still be so excited?" another blogger wrote. "Yesterday's tragedy can be the lesson of today and the warning for tomorrow. All Chinese need to be highly vigilant."
Issues of territorial sovereignty touch the most sensitive of nerves in China. The reunification of mainland China with Taiwan remains a non-negotiable top priorityfor the Chinese Communist Party. Taiwan has acted as a de facto state since Chiang Kai-shek's defeated nationalist army fled there in 1949, but any suggestion that Taiwan might declare formal independence from the mainland sets off a firestorm in Beijing. Domestic unrest in the ethnically diverse provinces of Tibet and Xinjiang raises the same red flags for leaders, who warn against shadowy separatist elementsseeking to break up the country.
Hyper-sensitivity over territorial matters traces its roots to what is known in China as the "Century of Humiliation," the period from the first Opium War in 1839 to the Communist takeover in 1949. During that time, a weak and divided China sank to pseudo-colonial status while Western powers, Japan and Russia carved up spheres of control on coastal China. Since then, Chinese leaders have invoked national sovereignty and territorial integrity to summon nationalist sentiment.
Regardless of which side of the debate bloggers were on, they largely agreed about one dimension of the standoff: military might trumps ethical or legal considerations.
One Sina Weibo micro-blogger from Jiangxi province put it bluntly in a post.
"Morality and justice are bu****it. Power is truth; that's just the way international affairs work."
The staunchly nationalist editor-in-chief of one state-controlled newspaper, The Global Times, rejected the Taiwan and Tibet comparisons. In a post to his 4.4 million followers, Hu Xijin instead advocated for China increasing its raw strength.
"Don't go comparing Crimea to Hong Kong, Taiwan or Tibet, alright?" he wrote on hisSina Weibo account. "China is never in the wrong. From now on the most important thing is to be strong. These days things around the world are going the way of strength."
Coursing through much of the online dialogue was a sneering suggestion that the U.S. can't control events in this symbolic sliver of land in Eastern Europe. Many bloggers alluded to a famous quote from Chairman Mao Zedong comparing Western powers to "paper tigers." One blogger from the northern Chinese province of Hebei hailed the shifting balance in Asian geopolitics.
"In the past China curried to America, was jealous of America, feared America. After the smoke has cleared on the Ukraine affair, old America's essence has been revealed for all the world to see: a paper tiger.
"Whether you look at finances or military, the U.S. simply can't achieve the rebalancing towards the Asia-Pacific region. It's yet another fine opportunity for strategic development for China."
Crimea Referendum Sparks Secession Debate In China
In the aftermath of Crimea's controversial referendum and overwhelming vote to leave Ukraine and rejoin Russia, Chinese diplomats found themselves facing a dilemma: throw their support behind Russia or adhere to China's long-standing policy of non-interference in other countries' internal affairs.
In an attempt to balance this policy with Beijing's budding relationship with Russia, diplomats were non-committal, choosing not to endorse Russia's actions in Crimea or support a U.N. resolution condemning the referendum.
Yet while diplomats took the middle road, in Chinese cyberspace netizens fiercely debated what kind of precedent the referendum set for China's own territorial issues: Was Crimea's referendum like a long-dreamed-of vote in Taiwan to rejoin the mainland? Or like a dreaded vote by Tibet to leave the People's Republic of China?
"A correct comparison would be Chinese troops are stationed in Taiwan and Taiwan votes to reunite with the mainland," wrote one person on China's Twitter-esque micro-blogging site Sina Weibo.
Others took the opposite tack, rebutting pro-referendum sentiment with a dire warning.
"When the day arrives that Americans, Japanese and Europeans encourage [the Chinese provinces of] Xinjiang, Inner Mongolia and Tibet to have referendums, will our public intellectuals still be so excited?" another blogger wrote. "Yesterday's tragedy can be the lesson of today and the warning for tomorrow. All Chinese need to be highly vigilant."
Issues of territorial sovereignty touch the most sensitive of nerves in China. The reunification of mainland China with Taiwan remains a non-negotiable top priorityfor the Chinese Communist Party. Taiwan has acted as a de facto state since Chiang Kai-shek's defeated nationalist army fled there in 1949, but any suggestion that Taiwan might declare formal independence from the mainland sets off a firestorm in Beijing. Domestic unrest in the ethnically diverse provinces of Tibet and Xinjiang raises the same red flags for leaders, who warn against shadowy separatist elementsseeking to break up the country.
Hyper-sensitivity over territorial matters traces its roots to what is known in China as the "Century of Humiliation," the period from the first Opium War in 1839 to the Communist takeover in 1949. During that time, a weak and divided China sank to pseudo-colonial status while Western powers, Japan and Russia carved up spheres of control on coastal China. Since then, Chinese leaders have invoked national sovereignty and territorial integrity to summon nationalist sentiment.
Regardless of which side of the debate bloggers were on, they largely agreed about one dimension of the standoff: military might trumps ethical or legal considerations.
One Sina Weibo micro-blogger from Jiangxi province put it bluntly in a post.
"Morality and justice are bu****it. Power is truth; that's just the way international affairs work."
The staunchly nationalist editor-in-chief of one state-controlled newspaper, The Global Times, rejected the Taiwan and Tibet comparisons. In a post to his 4.4 million followers, Hu Xijin instead advocated for China increasing its raw strength.
"Don't go comparing Crimea to Hong Kong, Taiwan or Tibet, alright?" he wrote on hisSina Weibo account. "China is never in the wrong. From now on the most important thing is to be strong. These days things around the world are going the way of strength."
Coursing through much of the online dialogue was a sneering suggestion that the U.S. can't control events in this symbolic sliver of land in Eastern Europe. Many bloggers alluded to a famous quote from Chairman Mao Zedong comparing Western powers to "paper tigers." One blogger from the northern Chinese province of Hebei hailed the shifting balance in Asian geopolitics.
"In the past China curried to America, was jealous of America, feared America. After the smoke has cleared on the Ukraine affair, old America's essence has been revealed for all the world to see: a paper tiger.
"Whether you look at finances or military, the U.S. simply can't achieve the rebalancing towards the Asia-Pacific region. It's yet another fine opportunity for strategic development for China."
Crimea Referendum Sparks Secession Debate In China
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Nevermind! You are a typical Indian.Apply some ice in that place, that's a lot of BS to pull out from there in one single post.
What do we gain by doing a referendum there?
As expected from a typical Punjabi nut case who don't even know who had the majority in Kahmir. Go to sleep. You wasted your time typing the crap that doesn't prove anything. Here is a suggestion >>Stop drinking.I will tell you how Kashmir problem would have been solved long before as you know J&K was a princely state with Muslim majority but in Jammu region Hindu being in majority. By then rule was that no separate independence will be given to any princely state and they have 2 years to join which ever country (India or Pakistan) they want to join, in India The proposal was that Jummu as being Hindu region can come to India and Kashmir can go to Pakistan as in the case Punjab and Bengal has been divided earlier, according to Indian cabinet report made available after 60 years that has come to general public domain. If only Pakistan would not have send the tribal fighter along with own ranger force to Kashmir this problem would not have arise and we would not have fought 5 wars with you also not loosing half of your country its all interlinked.
Now its a matter of prestige and ego for India and it will not let J&K go to Pakistan or gain independence. See we can all give hyped details of 70 thousand people died in Kashmir same way in Pakistan you have lost 50 thousand people in just one year, more people have died in Pakistan in terror related activity in last one year then combined whole world, and its not hear say just Google it and you will know the situation.
Now it totally depend on Pakistan where it want to go with this either you can leave Kashmir to India and let it handle it or if you keep going fingering India, it will have no option other than to push Pakistan into Baluchistan and tribal areas from other sources and i think you know which countries are helping India on this. You need to understand India has moved from center left country to Center right. It is increasingly going on tit for tat formula.
India has got economy on its side and in next 10 years it will be miles ahead to Pakistan, and you being educated know whole world respect power either economical (like Japan,Germany) or joint economical militarily (US,china), Only militarily power never goes far (eg. Russia, North Korea) oil prices has gone down Russia is huffing and puffing. I sincerely think Pakistan leave Kashmir and start progressing with or without help from India. If whole Europe can fought two world war and forget 1000 years fighting and can form EU, we are just 60 years apart countries at least we can try to leave in peace and let others also leave in peace. On Visa issue you can Google India provided more visa to Pakistanis then other way around.
I would urge more Pakistan members to participate and discuss and reply this issue but please no troll!!!!
Worry about your terrorist organization RSS.
Truth hurts. Isn't it? Samghauta express deal was the biggest mistake. We were fine before corrupt Zardari opened the border for you guys
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First of all i am not Punjabi, If you come on forum to just troll do with your own people (like you!!!). Every Singh is not sardar, i am Rajput .(Google it, you will learn something useful nut job). Weather i drink or not i don't need your permission, learning two word in English don't give you enough knowledge. Do you talk to your parents and sisters like this if yes it shows what culture you are brought up. First of all you write Kashmir spelling correctly idiot, then give your suggestion on anything, and about me writing crap it is written for people with brain and knowledge not people like like you.
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Moron, you are an a******** first of all i am not Punjabi, If you come on forum to just troll do with your own people (like you!!!). Every Singh is not sardar, i am Rajput .(Google it, you will learn something useful nut job). Weather i drink or not i don't need your permission, learning two word in English don't give you enough knowledge. Do you talk to your parents and sisters like this if yes it shows what culture you are brought up. First of all you write Kashmir spelling correctly idiot, then give your suggestion on anything, and about me writing crap it is written for people with brain and knowledge not people like like you. There is free passage for people like you in Iraq and Syriya (ISIS), they want sucide bomber, and its best job for you. Before suggesting anything to me learn first to walk and do-not reply me.
Till this point, you can't prove your actual point so stop this childish nonsense and come to the point rather than selling the bullshit.
So you are admitting that you are a typical Indian who lives in denial. DumboIt took you a week to realize this!!
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Had that been the context, yes.
However, the OP didn't mention anything about 'disputed territory'.
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I really don't understand what you want to hear, i have put my point of view in the previous post and i don't want everyone to blindly accept , if you feel you are not agreeing on some point please point out but simply trashing the messenger does not serve anyone purpose. Do not be so defensive, this is a forum for discussion and you need to reply right or wrong to be included not bashing.my two cent.
I know you are new to the forum so just chill and think before replying. I do the same as i am also new.
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