What does China think about Kashmir. My POV

[third eye]

I explain this to my fellow Pakistanis, that we must quit this obsession with ICK (Indian Controlled Kashmir).

Let's focus on PCK and the rest of Pakistan and bring some peace to ourselves.

It is time to write off the losses and move on.

Because if we don't, we will continue losing more and more and more.

Our fever pitched pitch forks on Kashmir have hurt us a lot more in terms of our international standings than anything else.

It is time to understand that our loss is a loss, and time to move on.

If only more Pakistanis would think like this..

 

[TheTruth]

I think they already wrote us off back when they supplied nukes and missiles to Pakistan. They actively oppose us on all international fora - NSG, UNSC etc (except the ones for climate change ). India couldn't have realized this sooner and is fortunately embracing the West. I just wish it happen faster.

Also, how dare you compare us with Canada

US gave Pakistan nukes, not China. Not that I don't support it, because India has absolutely no right to nukes or any need for them.

The problem with China-India ties is India's arrogance, racism and all the lies you've been fed over decades about China and Chinese people. Whenever Chinese and Indians live together overseas the Chinese extend their hands in friendship and it usually works out fine except for the Indians being jealous, obnoxious and hypocritically racist every now and then.

 

[The Great One]

US gave Pakistan nukes, not China. Not that I don't support it, because India has absolutely no right to nukes or any need for them.

The problem with China-India ties is India's arrogance, racism and all the lies you've been fed over decades about China and Chinese people. Whenever Chinese and Indians live together overseas the Chinese extend their hands in friendship and it usually works out fine except for the Indians being jealous, obnoxious and hypocritically racist every now and then.

LOL So you think that USA armed Pakistan with nukes and then also sanctioned it under the Pressler Amendment.This requires some extreme level of lunacy. And who gave you the right to have nukes. We have nuclear threats and so most certainly must have nukes.

And even more stupid is the assertion that Indians being arrogant/racist is the problem in Indo-China relation, rather than border-dispute/support to Pak,

Since you have already formed your bigoted view of India and Indians, its only going to be downhill from here. I'm out. (Don't bother replying cuz I won't)

 

[arbit]

US gave Pakistan nukes, not China. Not that I don't support it, because India has absolutely no right to nukes or any need for them.

The problem with China-India ties is India's arrogance, racism and all the lies you've been fed over decades about China and Chinese people. Whenever Chinese and Indians live together overseas the Chinese extend their hands in friendship and it usually works out fine except for the Indians being jealous, obnoxious and hypocritically racist every now and then.

Excellent post! On the spot analysis! you have bright chances to become an analyst here, my humble chinese friend! Please carry on.

 

[Sanchez]

Here is what I have figured out in my short while here. We have several ultra nationalistic chinese that have a great grasp of the English language, but are yet to have a grasp of the nuances within.

They find it very difficult understanding that when you have a brand, in this case brand China, that perceptions matter over hard realities i.e. That it does not matter if one has the veto powers, or the world recognizes HK as a part of the mainland. Actual perceptions do.

This why the indigenous people of HK origin despise the chinese mainlanders.

Hong Kong independence movement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You guys clearly show how US education systems failed, and even with you, self-titled diplomat. These guys are just like idiots in the US who want to break away from the union. Are you retired or just a junior ignorant?

 

[AgentOrange]

With the same logic, people in HK should also be given the right to self determination. The case is legit for HK since they were not even a part of the China mainland for most part of its independent history.

You have a strange definition of logic since your HK case isn't applicable. Fact is, the vast majority of people in Hong Kong don't want independence and furthermore, Hong Kong is recognized the world over as Chinese territory. There is no legit case and that you would even suggest so belies your (unsurprising) complete ignorance of current events.

Why don't you ask your chinese govt to come clean on this issue. As much of a risk averse policy framework CPC have, I don't think that is gonna happen ergo vindicating my point.

"Come clean" on what issue? That fact that Hong Kong is recognized the world over as Hong Kong, China? Easily verifiable fact. "Ergo", you have no point.

 

[Nilesh Singh]

US gave Pakistan nukes, not China. Not that I don't support it, because India has absolutely no right to nukes or any need for them.

The problem with China-India ties is India's arrogance, racism and all the lies you've been fed over decades about China and Chinese people. Whenever Chinese and Indians live together overseas the Chinese extend their hands in friendship and it usually works out fine except for the Indians being jealous, obnoxious and hypocritically racist every now and then.

 

[timetravel]

If Pakistan wants Kashmir because it has/had majority Muslims, then we want whole Pakistan as it had all Hindus earlier.

Lesson: Be satisfied with what you have.

 

[FaujHistorian]

If Pakistan wants Kashmir because it has/had majority Muslims, then we want whole Pakistan as it had all Hindus earlier.
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bhai jaan

you are utterly confused about past and present. Please avoid posting while in the state of confusion. Thank you.

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Lesson: Be satisfied with what you have.

Majority of us know it already.

you don't have to say it over and over.

in fact it is pathetic to see so many Indian posters jumping up and down about some hapless miserable topic.

really paathetic.

 

[tranquilium]

Hi. Some of you know my background from the initial introduction I made when I joined these forums. And those who did not read it, pretty much assumed my background from the name I've taken here. Something you may missed all the same, was that my background and the theater I was specifically deployed to was the South Asia Theater, specifically Afghanistan / Pakistan and India.

While I’ve been here, I've been struggling with what areas I go into, discuss openly without compromising privileged conversations and communications. Let's face it, even after retirement I'm obliged to keep silent on the very many interactions I've been honored to have as US State department employee.

There some areas I can speak to in broad strokes and I've been thinking that I should here. Forewarning- the nature of these forthcoming posts you may find very cryptic and opaque.

Having stated that - I would like to start introducing and hope to do this from time to time, posts that speak to this specific region and my experiences when dealing with the various diplomatic corps, think thanks and what I qualify as deeply ingrained and deeply experienced people with knowledge of this region.

Here is my snippet about China's stance on Kashmir. Much of this has been behind closed doors and you won't see it being discussed in the media often.

China is wary of the Kashmir issue and is trying to balance their act of being a good ally with Pakistan- when it comes to stating their support. Very rarely will you see China speak on Kashmir and support Pakistan’s position all out. Rather most for what you will official see is at best a tactic support.

The reason for this and what I've encountered is twofold:
On one end, China does not want to open the Pandora’s Box to then give any sort of legitimacy to groups in Taiwan, HK, Tibet and SCS. Can you imagine a plebiscite call or any U.N negotiations in those regions?

On the other end, they do not want to write off India. For China to be successful as far their global ambitions go, they truly need India to be their Canada, if not a somewhat prickly Mexico.

Feel free to discuss the merit of what I submitted, and I'll try to answer as much as can.

One of the common mistaken is the assumption that UN actually have power to settle conflict between major nations. UN's purpose is to provide a place for major power to work out their frustrations without destroying the human civilization, by itself it doesn't even have the power to dictate the behavior of moderately powerful nations, let alone do anything against the major ones. Hence why the plebiscite or UN negotiation bit is pretty much non-sense.

 

[Providence]

"Come clean" on what issue? That fact that Hong Kong is recognized the world over as Hong Kong, China? Easily verifiable fact. "Ergo", you have no point.

I don't indulge with programmed kids like you but what I meant was their stand on Kashmir not HK. It was pretty evident from the thread title.

 

[saadee]

Brother do you live in cave or what. Have you not seen the Assembly voting percentage in J&K for 2014 its between 65 to 75% for the whole of state.. Now you will say it was bogus voting but other than your country no one in whole world will believe you. Can you not see what Pakistan intellect like Nizam Sethi, parveez hoodboy,etc have said about this year election in J&K. It seems you want to countering every body view point on J&K just for the sake of it. Chill!!! Face the fact J&K will never be part of Pakistan and neither will be a independent country. Already due to Pakistan intuition for J&K, it has lost half of its country in 1971,due you want Pakistan Tribal areas and Baluchistan go the same way.

Can you arrange a simple referendum in Kashmir? Would you elaborate how many women your army have raped? How many children you have killed? and how many young Kashmiris are behind the bar for no reason. Let me give you some figures. 80,000 Muslims have been killed with in the span of only 7 years. Here is a legit question from you. Give me a one valid reason that Pakistan should let Indian Sikhs enter in Pakistan though Sarabjit Singh who detonated a live bomb in the crowded market of Lahore killing 20 innocent civilians. Same rules apply to Surjeet Singh who entered 85 times in Pakistan with pilgrims. When Indian army attacks golden temple the suddenly you become a freedom fighter and when Muslim ask to free Kashmir then they are terrorists. I am sure that when golden temple incident happened, many of the AIR INDIA planes were high jacked. I hope you understand my point.








Now give me a one valid reason why Pakistan should allot visas to Sikhs? I guess I didn't pull your sensitive nerve

 

[SarthakGanguly]

You missed a 0.

After killing the 80,000 Muslims in Kashmir with in the span of 7 years only, you are advising me that? Now give me a one valid reason why Pakistan should allot visas to Sikhs? I guess I didn't pull your sensitive nerve

 

[saadee]

Quaid -e- Azam day Mubarak to all Pakistanis. Marry Christmas to all of my Christian fellows

You missed a 0.

As expected from an Indian. Stay on the denial mode.

2010 442 Deaths including 36 men 11 women 67 children
2010 17 people died in India army's custody
2010 Injuries 6,072 people including men, women and children
2010 protestors arrested 2162
2010 131 people are still missing.
2010 86 young Muslim girls were raped
June 2010- Oct 2010 126 protestors were killed
2010 43 Muslims leaders were arrested without any cause
Jan 1989- Dec 2010
93, 539 total Kashmiris were killed
Among them 6, 982 Kashmiris died in the torture cells
118,813 Kashmiris were arrested for no charge during that period
22,747 women lost their soul bread winners
9,986 women were raped
107,397 children lost their fathers

P.S Can you see a big 0 now?

 

[dray]

Quaid -e- Azam day Mubarak to all Pakistanis. Marry Christmas to all of my Christian fellows


As expected from an Indian. Stay on the denial mode.

2010 442 Deaths including 36 men 11 women 67 children
2010 17 people died in India army's custody
2010 Injuries 6,072 people including men, women and children
2010 protestors arrested 2162
2010 131 people are still missing.
2010 86 young Muslim girls were raped
June 2010- Oct 2010 126 protestors were killed
2010 43 Muslims leaders were arrested without any cause
Jan 1989- Dec 2010
93, 539 total Kashmiris were killed
Among them 6, 982 Kashmiris died in the torture cells
118,813 Kashmiris were arrested for no charge during that period
22,747 women lost their soul bread winners
9,986 women were raped
107,397 children lost their fathers

P.S Can you see a big 0 now?

Apply some ice in that place, that's a lot of BS to pull out from there in one single post.

Can you arrange a simple referendum in Kashmir? Would you elaborate how many women your army have raped? How many children you have killed? and how many young Kashmiris are behind the bar for no reason. Let me give you some figures. 80,000 Muslims have been killed with in the span of only 7 years. Here is a legit question from you. Give me a one valid reason that Pakistan should let Indian Sikhs enter in Pakistan though Sarabjit Singh who detonated a live bomb in the crowded market of Lahore killing 20 innocent civilians. Same rules apply to Surjeet Singh who entered 85 times in Pakistan with pilgrims. When Indian army attacks golden temple the suddenly you become a freedom fighter and when Muslim ask to free Kashmir then they are terrorists. I am sure that when golden temple incident happened, many of the AIR INDIA planes were high jacked. I hope you understand my point.








Now give me a one valid reason why Pakistan should allot visas to Sikhs? I guess I didn't pull your sensitive nerve

What do we gain by doing a referendum there?