What does 'Are you a Muslim first or...' mean?

[IbnAbdullah]

Salaam

NOTE: This thread is not actually asking this question, rather it is ABOUT the meaning of this question.

Are you a Muslim first or a (insert your choice identity/belief etc)

This question seems to get asked a lot by people. I have heard this question asked on national television of political leader amongst countless other instances.

So what is this question supposed to actually mean? I just wanted to get a clear idea of what it is actually being asked here.

If you ask a person if they are a Muslim first or a Pakistani first - what are you exactly asking them?

Is the question, essentially, meant as a choice between

• Renouncing Allah, His Messenger (pbuh) and the deen of Islam

and,

• Renouncing the state of Pakistan

?

Like if it came down to chosing one or the other, is a person who says Pakistani first (as opposed to Muslim first) saying that they will be willing to abandon Allah, His Messenger and Islam for Pakistan?

Is a person a bad Pakistani if they say they are Muslim first?

What about the opposite of it?


Please treat this as a genuine question and answer accordingly - preferably without name calling and such.



Thank you
...

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Why can’t we be both at the same time? Why do we have to repudiate our ethnicity, nationality to embrace our faith?

I am both a Muslim and Pakistani at the same time.

The two also are not mutually exclusive as Pakistan is an Islamic republic and 97% Muslim majority nation.

 

[Lincoln]

Salaam

Are you a Muslim first or a (insert your choice identity/belief etc)

This question seems to get asked a lot by people. I have heard this question asked on national television of political leader amongst countless other instances.

So what is this question supposed to actually mean? I just wanted to get a clear idea of what it is actually being asked here.

If you ask a person if they are a Muslim first or a Pakistani first - what are you exactly asking them?

Is the question, essentially, meant as a choice between

• Renouncing Allah, His Messenger (pbuh) and the deen of Islam

and,

• Renouncing the state of Pakistan

?

Like if it came down to chosing one or the other, is a person who says Pakistani first (as opposed to Muslim first) saying that they will be willing to abandon Allah, His Messenger and Islam for Pakistan?

Is a person a bad Pakistani if they say they are Muslim first?

What about the opposite of it?


Please treat this as a genuine question and answer accordingly - preferably without name calling and such.

Thank you
...

What if clauses are unrealistic and unrepresentative.

For us Pakistan is a part of our Islamic identity.

 

[alee92nawaz]

Salaam

Are you a Muslim first or a (insert your choice identity/belief etc)

This question seems to get asked a lot by people. I have heard this question asked on national television of political leader amongst countless other instances.

So what is this question supposed to actually mean? I just wanted to get a clear idea of what it is actually being asked here.

If you ask a person if they are a Muslim first or a Pakistani first - what are you exactly asking them?

Is the question, essentially, meant as a choice between

• Renouncing Allah, His Messenger (pbuh) and the deen of Islam

and,

• Renouncing the state of Pakistan

?

Like if it came down to chosing one or the other, is a person who says Pakistani first (as opposed to Muslim first) saying that they will be willing to abandon Allah, His Messenger and Islam for Pakistan?

Is a person a bad Pakistani if they say they are Muslim first?

What about the opposite of it?


Please treat this as a genuine question and answer accordingly - preferably without name calling and such.

NOTE: This thread is not actually asking this question, rather it is ABOUT the meaning of this question.


Thank you
...

Country first

 

[IbnAbdullah]

Salaam

Why can’t we be both at the same time? Why do we have to repudiate our ethnicity, nationality to embrace our faith?

I am both a Muslim and Pakistani at the same time.

The two also are not mutually exclusive as Pakistan is an Islamic republic and 97% Muslim majority nation.

What if clauses are unrealistic and unrepresentative.

For us Pakistan is a part of our Islamic identity.

Sorry, I was not clear about my intention here, though I have added a note in bold letters trying to clarify it.

I meant to ask about the meaning of this question as it gets asked a lot by different people and comes up around Pakistan first discussions and other such topics.

So I wanted to get a clear understanding of what is actually being asked with such a question. So, in essence, I am asking ABOUT this question, not asking the question itself.

Hope that clarifies my point.

thank you.

...

 

[GumNaam]

As a devout, practicing but a humbly error-proned Muslim, I feel lucky that I am a Pakistani. Because I don't to choose between Islam and Pakistan, they are one in the same.

Islam Allah o Rasool ka deen hay...
Pakistan Allah o Rasool ki dayn hay.

Pakistan Zindabad
Allah hu Akbar

 

[revojam]

People attempt to became part of both worlds will belong to neither and they are destinated to seen as 'other' by the people of both worlds.

 

[Ghareeb_Da_Baal]

why would you pose a question like that to being with?
You should come here to Texas and south in general and force someone to give the answer & suddenly half the US would seem like a moulana to ya.

 

[Wa Muhammada]

Weird question bro

Borders keep changing ....I love Pakistan and would give my life for my country, but Islam is first. There should no confusion in this

 

[bsruzm]

It is wrong to ask people such question in the first place. If it's aim is to divide a nation, such question makes sense.

 

[American Pakistani]

That question make no sense to me because my religion my personal belief.

If you introduce yourself to someone, you will say I'm a Pakistani. Or are you going to say I'm Muslim.

 

[M. Sarmad]

This question is flawed as it has a presupposition built in implying that Pakistani Nationalism and Islam are mutually exclusive

 

[JF-17ThunderBlock3]

Just like body and soul
My soul is Islam and Body is Pakistan.
Combination of both defines myself as Muslim from Pakistan.

To add further. Some people who born in the west to a Muslim family of Pakistani Origin.
That adds confusion to their minds. Person having dual nationality etc.
Hence it will be appropriate to go with Faith first than country.
Dual Nationals become controversial as they can't be loyal to Queen and Pakistan at the same time.

Why don't you consider foundation of Pakistan two nation theory.
Hence Islam + Pakistan = Pakistani Muslims

 

[M. Sarmad]

The two also are not mutually exclusive as Pakistan is an Islamic republic and 97% Muslim majority nation.

Pakistan was not created an 'Islamic Republic', it became one much later.

 

[B.K.N]

Islam is our religion and Pakistani is our nationality both are different things