What do Israelis think of Pakistan? : Corey Gil-Shuster

[FuturePAF]

Pointless thread.

Not fully pointless. It should demonstrate that the more we do to fix our own house the more impact / less indifference we will have in the world.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

There is a day and night difference between corrupt Pakistanis and patriotic Israelis. We are in a blackhole as a nation. Our leaders and people are living in a different universe. We are so off course we don't realise it.

That is the MOST scary part. Pakistanis are living in such an endless blackhole of failure and are so used to it that they don't even realise the severity of our situation.........

 

[Dalit]

That is the MOST scary part. Pakistanis are living in such an endless blackhole of failure and are so used to it that they don't even realise the severity of our situation.........

They are clueless bro. The generals are calling the shots and serving certain powers. The political leaders, corrupt or honest, are just puppets. The people are just sheep. Eat, drink, sleep and repeat. The few that realise their potential want to move out and be productive elsewhere. They are not going to waste their precious time among sheep.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

They are clueless bro. The generals are calling the shots and serving certain powers. The political leaders, corrupt or honest, are just puppets. The people are just sheep. Eat, drink, sleep and repeat.

We need to change this paradigm. The first step is to implement SEVERE nationalism and patriotism into the Pakistani people. We also need to permanently rid the idea of Ummah chummahism in Pakistanis which makes them susceptible to being slaves of non-Pakistani Muslims.

 

[Dalit]

We need to change this paradigm. The first step is to implement SEVERE nationalism and patriotism into the Pakistani people. We also need to permanently rid the idea of Ummah chummahism in Pakistanis which makes them susceptible to being slaves of non-Pakistani Muslims.

You have Pakistanis joining foreign wars and dying for other causes. We need to face up to the reality. We are not what we think we are. We are anything, but patriotic. It is a miracle that Pakistan was formed. Different ethnic groups lumped together. The Brits miscalculated back then. They were sour and angry because they didn't want to leave. In the process the Brits broke British India and left some sort of legacy behind to assert control. Control they have till this day through khaki wearing generals. Although this control can be described shaky at best. You have an army that likes to experiment and appease all sides. Something the Western powers despise. When the stick is shown the generals are reminded of their purpose. They get back in line to serve.

It will take a mammoth effort to have a sovereign and independent Pakistan. I don't see it happening. Pakistan was created by the Brits as an artificial state to influence regional outcomes. It is serving that specific purpose until this very day.

 

[American Pakistani]

As I always said, Israelis don't care about Pakistan, which is funny considering the obsession certain Pakistanis have on Israel

That obsession is as a result of Israel helping Indian terrorists in Indian Illegally occupied Jammu and Kashmir which is a disputed territory.

 

[Vortex]

As I always said, Israelis don't care about Pakistan, which is funny considering the obsession certain Pakistanis have on Israel

Sorry man but I know many Jewish people who are against Pakistan.

Being against doesn’t mean necessarily « kill ».

I know a Rav who said to be very close to Israeli army and he said he await the destruction or the fall of Ishmael. By Ishmael he clearly named many Muslims countries and…. He included Pakistan in the list !

Maybe common people don’t bother about Pakistan but policies are not made by these common people.

 

[Dalit]

Sorry man but I know many Jewish people who are against Pakistan.

Being against doesn’t mean necessarily « kill ».

I know a Rav who said to be very close to Israeli army and he said he await the destruction or the fall of Ishmael. By Ishmael he clearly named many Muslims countries and…. He included Pakistan in the list !

Maybe common people don’t bother about Pakistan but policies are not made by these common people.

Exactly. The state of Israel is yearning for Pakistani recognition. This can be guaged by Israeli overtures over the years. The latest being the US Pakistani delegation visit to Israel. What does an Israeli minister have to do with such a visit? What the ordinary people on the street think is irrelevant.

Nevertheless, we ought to learn from Israel because they are patriotic towards their cause and we are sellouts.

 

[fatman17]

I'm going to get a lot of flack for saying this. Pakistan has no quarrel with Israel one-on-one but indirectly we are caught in the Palestinian cause because we are Muslim. So is Turkiye but it is still critical of Israel on the Palestinian issue. HST we have basically missed the boat when Musharraf was almost convinced by some influential American senators in mid 2000s. That was the time to do it. Now with USA and Pakistan relations almost non-existent it is a non starter.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

You have Pakistanis joining foreign wars and dying for other causes. We need to face up to the reality. We are not what we think we are. We are anything, but patriotic. It is a miracle that Pakistan was formed. Different ethnic groups lumped together. The Brits miscalculated back then. They were sour and angry because they didn't want to leave. In the process the Brits broke British India and left some sort of legacy behind to assert control. Control they have till this day through khaki wearing generals. Although this control can be described shaky at best. You have an army that likes to experiment and appease all sides. Something the Western powers despise. When the stick is shown the generals are reminded of their purpose. They get back in line to serve.

It will take a mammoth effort to have a sovereign and independent Pakistan. I don't see it happening. Pakistan was created by the Brits as an artificial state to influence regional outcomes. It is serving that specific purpose until this very day.

It WILL happen but probably not in our lifetime and probably not all in one go. The british are NOT what they were in the 1940s.

 

[Dalit]

It WILL happen but probably not in our lifetime and probably not all in one go. The british are NOT what they were in the 1940s.

With the Brits I mean collective Western powers of this day and age. Of course the Americans have taken over the role of the Brits.

Probably and hopefully. It will take something very special to unshackle Pakistan from US sphere.

I'm going to get a lot of flack for saying this. Pakistan has no quarrel with Israel one-on-one but indirectly we are caught in the Palestinian cause because we are Muslim. So is Turkiye but it is still critical of Israel on the Palestinian issue. HST we have basically missed the boat when Musharraf was almost convinced by some influential American senators in mid 2000s. That was the time to do it. Now with USA and Pakistan relations almost non-existent it is a non starter.

Agreed. Although India also plays its role in stoking anti-Pakistan feelings among Israelis.

There is one big problem for Israel with regards to Pakistan and that is nuclear capability. They have made no secret regarding the Islamic bomb. The Israelis feel insecure. From a religious point of view they feel obliged to tackle this risk.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

With the Brits I mean collective Western powers of this day and age. Probably and hopefully.

Not likely. The west was always against the idea of the creation of Pakistan as they wanted us to be the slaves of the hindus. The last thing they wanted was a Muslim nation on the fulcrum point of South/Central Asia and the Middle East. But yes, the west has very important interests in Pakistan and have a great influence over us.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

With the Brits I mean collective Western powers of this day and age. Probably and hopefully.

Not likely. The west was always against the idea of the creation of Pakistan as they wanted us to be the slaves of the hindus. The last thing they wanted was a Muslim nation on the fulcrum point of South/Central Asia and the Middle East. But

 

[BlessedKingOfLonging]

The thing is we should care. You should even learn from your foes. We don't even learn from our friends. We are such a pathetic people that we will rave about certain things, but never learn or adopt anything positive.

Let's try to learn something from the Israelis. Our leaders are corrupt and so is our society. That is an established fact. Now, are the Israelis corrupt? Do the Israelis backstab their own cause for money or power? Isn't that an interesting question.

They are absolutely corrupt as **** and do put knives in each other's backs. Here's the truth right from the devil's mouth itself...

 

[Beny Karachun]

Exactly. The state of Israel is yearning for Pakistani recognition. This can be guaged by Israeli overtures over the years. The latest being the US Pakistani delegation visit to Israel. What does an Israeli minister have to do with such a visit? What the ordinary people on the street think is irrelevant.

Nevertheless, we ought to learn from Israel because they are patriotic towards their cause and we are sellouts.

We don't care about Pakistan, if it wasn't for this forum I wouldn't even know there's any talks with Pakistan right now

Sorry man but I know many Jewish people who are against Pakistan.

Being against doesn’t mean necessarily « kill ».

I know a Rav who said to be very close to Israeli army and he said he await the destruction or the fall of Ishmael. By Ishmael he clearly named many Muslims countries and…. He included Pakistan in the list !

Maybe common people don’t bother about Pakistan but policies are not made by these common people.

Rabbis rarely ever have any relation to the army, Rabbis are Orthodox Jews which usually don't serve.

I don't know how true your story is, but no one here cares about Pakistan, we don't like Muslim countries as a whole for obvious reasons, but we have nothing against Pakistan just as we don't care about Indonesia or Malaysia, too far to care about