What do Iranians think about Pakistanis?

[Dragon Ball]

We are extremely quick to give up Islam and in some cases entire families are only statistical Muslims. My parents don't consider themselves muslims and nor do I. My uncles and aunts are mostly agnostic. Even my grandfather doesn't consider himself muslim. Only my grandmother does and in reality even she isn't Muslim, despite what she likes to say lol

For others, the belief is very lose, so when they come out of Iran, the belief in the foreign religion of Islam quickly evaporates.

I also agree with Sam Sinai, except the European part. I just think people in Iran are ready for better things and the fact that they're stuck with a religious dictatorship, handed down from our parent's generation, makes them look outside the borders for inspiration. Obviously that inspiration can't come from Arabs and Pakistanis and other failed states of Asia, so naturally people look up to Europeans.

Thank God for that. It would be great to have Iran turn back to Zoroastrianism or atheism, anything but Abrahamic religions.

 

[Whirling_dervesh]

I really don't care what Iranians think of us. I only care what Pakistanis think about their nation

 

[Abii]

This attitude has also lot to do with Shah's long rule, he basically brainwashed the Iranians that they are basically Europeans not Middle Easterns, I have also come across few of them here in Toronto, They are more liberal and westernized than Canadian Whites.

See, this is the type of bs that makes us want to disassociate ourselves with Arabs and Pakistanis. what kind of drivel is that? WTF does the Shah have to do with anything? 3/4 of the country was either not born yet or a baby back then.

Has it ever occurred to you that Iran, like every other country on the planet, goes through demographic and socio-economic changes, and that just because we share a border with you guys it doesn't mean we go through the same changes? WTF is "westernized" anyway? Why should Westerners have a monopoly on secular thoughts and beliefs?

Thank God for that. It would be great to have Iran turn back to Zoroastrianism or atheism, anything but Abrahamic religions.

That won't happen. But Iran isn't Pakistan or Saudi either. Iranians are more religious than Turks, but less religious than everybody else in the region, despite our religious dictatorial government. I actually think Iranians in the west are a lot more secular than most Asians, including Indians, Chinese and other non-Muslim Asians.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Yes, indeed most of what you say is valid. I had a Iranian friend from my school many, many years ago. As regards inspiration I also understand.

My dad told me once in this world there are only two type of people. Those who have money and those who don't. If a German no money with blonde hair blue eyes and skin so white that a Iranian would get hear attack with jealousy walked upto The Ritz Hotel he would be thrown out. A Negro Black with money would have his bags taken out and carried in.

So what I want to know is what both Arabs and Iranians who are drowning in oil despite thinking they are special is what have they achieved? Iran is less successful than neighbour Turkey and Saudia is just a oasis in desert which will wither away once the oil is gone.

We in Pakistan have not got where we should be but I am proud that this has been done by our own hard work.

 

[samv]

Yes, indeed most of what you say is valid. I had a Iranian friend from my school many, many years ago. As regards inspiration I also understand.

My dad told me once in this world there are only two type of people. Those who have money and those who don't. If a German no money with blonde hair blue eyes and skin so white that a Iranian would get hear attack with jealousy walked upto The Ritz Hotel he would be thrown out. A Negro Black with money would have his bags taken out and carried in.

So what I want to know is what both Arabs and Iranians who are drowning in oil despite thinking they are special is what have they achieved? Iran is less successful than neighbour Turkey and Saudia is just a oasis in desert which will wither away once the oil is gone.

We in Pakistan have not got where we should be but I am proud that this has been done by our own hard work.

Iran is not as backward as you seem to think.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

And I don't buy into the religious thing either. What all of Iran is secular except for Grand Ayatollah Khamenei? Give me a break or could it be just select Iranians from the Shah period are predominant amongst the Iranians living in the West.

So who the hell is holding up the theocracy? Has Grand Ayatollah managed to get Allah's to help him out in subjagating the secular Iranian populace?

Samv with respect can you read English? Or maybe with even more respect you need spectacles?
Where did I say 'Iran was backward'?

If Pakistan had the oil for last 60 years that these Arab's and Iranian's are drowning in rest assured Pakistan would have been 'very forward'.

 

[rmi5]

See, this is the type of bs that makes us want to disassociate ourselves with Arabs and Pakistanis. what kind of drivel is that? WTF does the Shah have to do with anything? 3/4 of the country was either not born yet or a baby back then.

Has it ever occurred to you that Iran, like every other country on the planet, goes through demographic and socio-economic changes, and that just because we share a border with you guys it doesn't mean we go through the same changes? WTF is "westernized" anyway? Why should Westerners have a monopoly on secular thoughts and beliefs?


That won't happen. But Iran isn't Pakistan or Saudi either. Iranians are more religious than Turks, but less religious than everybody else in the region, despite our religious dictatorial government. I actually think Iranians in the west are a lot more secular than most Asians, including Indians, Chinese and other non-Muslim Asians.

I agree with you.
Just a point. As long as comparison with Turks is concerned, Iranians are more religious than Kazakhs, Kyrgyz, and Azeris, but they are less religious than Uzbeks and sunnis of Turkey. Iranians are more or less(culturally and religiously) like Alawite turks of Turkey. In both cases, people from urban areas and more educated ones are less religious than rural areas and uneducated ones.


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Pakistanis,
IMHO, Iranians in general, don't have a positive opinion about Pakistan, which comes from multiple reasons. I am writing them down, but I hope Pakistanis don't mind to hear them, and don't try to respond with retaliation piss contest style of posts.
1. the activity of Pakistan based terrorist groups in southeastern border of Iran.
2. Pakistanis being too religious, and Arab worshiper.
3. Pakistanis in general having a low welfare situation.
4. Pakistanis are seen as culturally awkward people.
5. racial point of view is valid for some Iranians not all Iranians. I am no racist, but indeed there are some Iranians who see Pakistanis as darker skin race.
6. Having no positive memory from Pakistan. Almost no Iranian can point out to an event that Pakistanis have helped Iranians.
7. Pakistanis having no presence in important international events like football, olympics, cinema,... Iranians in general love Brazilians, Argentinians, and many other countries, because they have good sport teams, or good cinema, music, ...

 

[Azizam]

See, this is the type of bs that makes us want to disassociate ourselves with Arabs and Pakistanis. what kind of drivel is that? WTF does the Shah have to do with anything? 3/4 of the country was either not born yet or a baby back then.

Has it ever occurred to you that Iran, like every other country on the planet, goes through demographic and socio-economic changes, and that just because we share a border with you guys it doesn't mean we go through the same changes? WTF is "westernized" anyway? Why should Westerners have a monopoly on secular thoughts and beliefs?


That won't happen. But Iran isn't Pakistan or Saudi either. Iranians are more religious than Turks, but less religious than everybody else in the region, despite our religious dictatorial government. I actually think Iranians in the west are a lot more secular than most Asians, including Indians, Chinese and other non-Muslim Asians.

I disagree. Most Iranians believe in god or some are even religious Christians. They are more religious when compared non-muslim Asians. That's my experience. By the way, what religion do Chinese believe? Most of them don't have a religion whatsoever.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

and who told you guy's the Iranian look good. Go check the street scene. Most are baldy short guy's. I accept the Kurd's are a very good looking people. Average Pashtun is far better looking then Iranian, Arab or Turk. Get a Pashtun, dress him smart and watch he will pull all the Iranian, Turkish or Arab girls. Look at our Imran Khan even at 62 years old women's legs go weak.

 

[samv]

And I don't buy into the religious thing either. What all of Iran is secular except for Grand Ayatollah Khamenei? Give me a break or could it be just select Iranians from the Shah period are predominant amongst the Iranians living in the West.

So who the hell is holding up the theocracy? Has Grand Ayatollah managed to get Allah's to help him out in subjagating the secular Iranian populace?

Samv with respect can you read English? Or maybe with even more respect you need spectacles?
Where did I say 'Iran was backward'?

If Pakistan had the oil for last 60 years that these Arab's and Iranian's are drowning in rest assured Pakistan would have been 'very forward'.

Your comment So what I want to know is what both Arabs and Iranians who are drowning in oil despite thinking they are special is what have they achieved?

Suggests that the Iranians have not achieved anything much. They have achieved a lot despite crippling sanctions. They are still - with sanctions - a regional power.

Pakistan had all the ingredients at independence to be an incredibly successful country - without oil.

 

[Jayanta]

We are extremely quick to give up Islam and in some cases entire families are only statistical Muslims. My parents don't consider themselves muslims and nor do I. My uncles and aunts are mostly agnostic. Even my grandfather doesn't consider himself muslim. Only my grandmother does and in reality even she isn't Muslim, despite what she likes to say lol

For others, the belief is very lose, so when they come out of Iran, the belief in the foreign religion of Islam quickly evaporates.

I also agree with Sam Sinai, except the European part. I just think people in Iran are ready for better things and the fact that they're stuck with a religious dictatorship, handed down from our parent's generation, makes them look outside the borders for inspiration. Obviously that inspiration can't come from Arabs and Pakistanis and other failed states of Asia, so naturally people look up to Europeans.

I have met only a few Iranians...so generalizing would be an over kill. However... there were two statements that was consistent with all I met...(1) we have nothing in common with the Arabs and (2) Islam was forced upon us...so I am not surprised with your comment.

 

[rmi5]

And I don't buy into the religious thing either. What all of Iran is secular except for Grand Ayatollah Khamenei? Give me a break or could it be just select Iranians from the Shah period are predominant amongst the Iranians living in the West.

So who the hell is holding up the theocracy? Has Grand Ayatollah managed to get Allah's to help him out in subjagating the secular Iranian populace?

Samv with respect can you read English? Or maybe with even more respect you need spectacles?
Where did I say 'Iran was backward'?

If Pakistan had the oil for last 60 years that these Arab's and Iranian's are drowning in rest assured Pakistan would have been 'very forward'.

You seem to have no correct ideas about Iran. Ayatullahs came to power, because people were frustrated from the secular regime of Shah, and Ayatullahs were the only opposition who had some power, and organization. Why shah let them to be free? Because shah was never thinking Ayatullahs can be chosen by people as his alternative, and the most important concern of Shah was soviet union, and communism which had a big number of supporters in Iran. The number of mosques during shah became 20-25-fold!!! why? because he wanted to make a barrier against the attraction of youngsters to communism. In general, Iranians were not and are not religious like what you expect from other muslim countries, which has cultural(Iranians already having a strong non-islamic culture), Religious(being shiite, who are less religious than sunnis in general), political(having a non-islamic based identity unlike most muslim nations; basically an Iranian is an Iranian whether he/she is muslim or not, while being a non-muslim Pakistani or ... is almost meaningless), ...

I have met only a few Iranians...so generalizing would be an over kill. However... there were two statements that was consistent with all I met...(1) we have nothing in common with the Arabs and (2) Islam was forced upon us...so I am not surprised with your comment.

That's 100% correct.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

and why the arrogance for? Because you have oil? Who said that we wanted you to associate with us in the first place? Last time I checked your embassy in US is shacked up in Pakistan Embassy as homeless person.

What is that about 3/4 or baby. do please expand on that. I am just curious.

RMi5 don't worry we don't mind. I am a strong believer in fredom of speech. I am no Ayatollah. You please say whay you want. As long non pf us bring derogatory language we are all fine. You see what want and what is are two distinct and separate things. Iranians might delude they are in West but the reality is Iran is next to Pakistan and firmly planted in Mid East.

So until plate Tectonics ruptures Iran, flings it over Turkey, wobbles like a ball thrown by Imran Khan over the Meditearan and lands in the Atlantic the Iranian's are goping have to contend with reality, bitter reality that they live on a*ss side of Turkey. They may face the West but they are alway's going to looking up the Turkish posterior !

 

[Dragon Ball]

Look at our Imran Khan even at 62 years old women's legs go weak.

Imran Khan looks much older for his 62 years age as if he has been washed, wrung, and left out to dry with a million wrinkles on his birthday suit.

 

[rmi5]

I disagree. Most Iranians believe in god or some are even religious Christians. They are more religious when compared non-muslim Asians. That's my experience. By the way, what religion do Chinese believe? Most of them don't have a religion whatsoever.

The comparison is between Iran and pakistan(a muslim nation), hence you can make sense of @Abii 's comment. Of course, budhists story in China is totally different.