What Bangladesh would gain from normalizing relations with Israel?

[Solomon2]

Try again. Complete rubbish.

Be specific or change your mind.

After all, isn't that what Avicenna did?

 

[Mage]

Here's the key in the article, for those who missed it:

"I do agree with Rami Dabbas who said, the main reason Arab countries resist normalization with Israel is their mindset of rejecting Western civilization. The Jewish State is a civilized and democratic country like those Western nations – even in some cases more so. Arabs have been raised to detest such brand of civilization. If we closely look into the Muslim nations, both Arab and non-Arab, who are either engaged into Israel-bashing or considering the Jewish State as an “enemy nation” often to not truly understand what they actually are protesting or doing. On the one hand, they want to be benefited from the Westerners and even Israeli civilization but then reject the existence of the State of Israel."​

What follows are examples of technologies developed in Israel that Bangladesh can benefit from. Yes, Bangladesh can benefit from trade if it opens relations with Israel. But even more so the author is pointing out that Bangladesh could develop such technologies itself if Bangladesh embraced Western civilization and its values by recognizing and championing the Jewish State.

Will Israel give jobe to millions of Bangladeshis that work in Arab countries? Because they will lose their job if Bangladesh recognize Israel.

 

[Buddhistforlife]

You make good points. There are many reasons to dislike Israel. But Israel/Palestine conflict is not our problem. Thus we should only do what benefits us. We can keep relation with Pakistan after what we claim they did. We can keep relation with Myanmar despite what they did with Rohingyas. But we have problems with Israel who never harmed us in any way. We should simply do what benefits us.

Listen 'Israel' and 'Jew' is a very sensitive topic in the Muslim world. If Bangladesh normalizes relation with israel then it would suffer serious scrutiny from OIC and rest of the Muslim world. Also I agree with many members that PM Hasina won't risk creating any relation with Israel as most Muslims of this nation will oppose it straight away.

Myanmar is a different case. Although they are doing genocide of muslims, still they are not a 'blacklisted' or 'marked' nation like Israel in the Muslim world. USA, UK and many other nations have also killed millions of Muslims in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria etc still Bangladesh and most of the Muslim countries have good relation with them, so whats wrong with Myanmar?

 

[Mamadouso]

Bangladesh could learn from Israel’s agricultural sector. Israel is the most densely populated country in Middle East but produces a lot of agricultural produce from a small area. BD should do the same to become more agriculturally self sufficient.

 

[Mage]

whats wrong with Myanmar?

We are directly impacted by Myanmar's killings.

 

[Mamadouso]

Listen 'Israel' and 'Jew' is a very sensitive topic in the Muslim world. If Bangladesh normalizes relation with israel then it would suffer serious scrutiny from OIC and rest of the Muslim world. Also I agree with many members that PM Hasina won't risk creating any relation with Israel as most Muslims of this nation will oppose it straight away.

Myanmar is a different case. Although they are doing genocide of muslims, still they are not a 'blacklisted' or 'marked' nation like Israel in the Muslim world. USA, UK and many other nations have also killed millions of Muslims in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria etc still Bangladesh and most of the Muslim countries have good relation with them, so whats wrong with Myanmar?

The problem with Myanmar was the attack against Rohingya was entirely unprovoked and unneccesary, they were a small community in a country of 50m. Everyone knows they were crushed just because they looked different than the rest of the population.

 

[Buddhistforlife]

Are you high on yaba drugs? Bd will not get any benefit what so ever from Israel not today not in future. Israel itself is a vessel state of USA and cant offer any thing to bd. Now I can see you are one of those who wish bd was secular but it isn't. At the end bd people are deeply religious and hasina wont even dare to hurt religious sentiments if she want to stay in power.

Wrong. Israel is the most developed nation in the Arab region in terms of technology, military and infrastructure. Many elite armies like Indian army receives training from Israel and their military equipments are eye catching.

The problem with Myanmar was the attack against Rohingya was entirely unprovoked and unneccesary, they were a small community in a country of 50m. Everyone knows they were crushed just because they looked different than the rest of the population.

You think Myanmar has problems with only the rohingyas? Dude the Myanmar army is dominated by Burmese people who form 20 to 30% of the total population of Myanmar. They have problems with each and every race be it Rakhines, Kachins, Shans, Karens etc. Myanmar is literally fighting the longest civil war in the history of mankind.

But yes they hate Muslims, I guess the global rise in islamophoebia contributed to it.

We are directly impacted by Myanmar's killings.

Do you realize that if you sever diplomatic relations with Myanmar then the Rohingya repatriation will halt forever?

 

[Mage]

Do you realize that if you sever diplomatic relations with Myanmar then the Rohingya repatriation will halt forever?

As if it is going anywhere.
Btw I don't support severing ties with Myanmar. I was only saying that from ideological perspective, if we can have diplomatic relations with Myanmar or Pakistan, then we shouldn't have problem having diplomatic ties with Israel either. But then again I wouldn't support BD recognizing Israel now as the blowback from the gulfies would be too much to handle.

 

[Solomon2]

Will Israel give jobe to millions of Bangladeshis that work in Arab countries? Because they will lose their job if Bangladesh recognize Israel.

Really? Did Arab countries kick out Azerbaijanis when their gov't established diplomatic relations with Israel in 1992? On the other hand, I recall Kuwait kicked out thousands of Palestinian workers after the 1990-1 Gulf War. Because Arafat chose to side with invading Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein.

 

[Mage]

Really? Did Arab countries kick out Azerbaijanis when their gov't established diplomatic relations with Israel in 1992? On the other hand, I recall Kuwait kicked out thousands of Palestinian workers after the 1990-1 Gulf War. Because Arafat chose to side with invading Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein.

We can't take the risk. Country is too dependent on remittance. How many Azerbaijanis are in Gulf countries to begin with? Certainly they were not dependent on remittance from Gulfies. Also they are Shia. So never really part of Sunni ummah controlled by gulfies.

There are classes in Ummah. Bangladeshi Muslims are like lower class. Egypt recognise Israel. But they get away because they are Arabs. But Bangladesh won't.

 

[Solomon2]

We can't take the risk. Country is too dependent on remittance. How many Azerbaijanis are in Gulf countries to begin with? Certainly they were not dependent on remittance from Gulfies. Also they are Shia. So never really part of Sunni ummah controlled by gulfies.

There are classes in Ummah. Bangladeshi Muslims are like lower class. Egypt recognise Israel. But they get away because they are Arabs. But Bangladesh won't.

So the stuff about Israel being unjust and sympathizing with the Palestinian Arabs is a wash and Bangladeshis are just in it for the money?

Don't miss the author's point: that what Bangladesh stands to gain in the long run may be far greater than what it pays in the short run.

Besides, someone has to do the work. Unless the Arabs are willing to do it themselves there's no way they can replace a million trusted workers with some other nationality immediately, even if they want to, don't you agree?

 

[Buddhistforlife]

Really? Did Arab countries kick out Azerbaijanis when their gov't established diplomatic relations with Israel in 1992? On the other hand, I recall Kuwait kicked out thousands of Palestinian workers after the 1990-1 Gulf War. Because Arafat chose to side with invading Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein.

Also Turkey, which is considered as one of the greatest ally of Pakistan and Bangladesh and it's so called islamist leader Mr. Erdogan actually has relations with Israel

 

[Mage]

So the stuff about Israel being unjust and sympathizing with the Palestinian Arabs is a wash and Bangladeshis are just in it for the money?

Don't miss the author's point: that what Bangladesh stands to gain in the long run may be far greater than what it pays in the short run.

Besides, someone has to do the work. Unless the Arabs are willing to do it themselves there's no way they can replace a million trusted workers with some other nationality immediately, even if they want to, don't you agree?

If our buddies in gulf i.e. Saudis, UAE, Qatar, Kuwait etc start recognizing Israel then I'm certain Bangladesh will follow the suite. BD is not influencial in Muslim world. So it would just wait and watch rather than taking action.

I don't care about author's point. Right now we risk to loose too much so the govt will not take that risk. And the gulfies are just half of the problem. Other half is our Mullahs who live to appease the Arabs and make Bangladesh more salafi. They would raise hell in Bangladesh. No elected govt will take the risk of enraging them.

Israel better look to normalize relation with Arabs. We are followers of Arabs. Once our buddies in the gulf recognize Israel, we will do the same too.

 

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What Bangladesh would gain from normalizing relations with Israel?
May 11, 2019 0 Comments America, Europe, Jewish
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Anand Sharma

After decades of Israel-bashing, which actually is a regular habit and tendency of terror-patron Iran, a number of moderate Muslim nations now coming to their sense? Recently, Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed Bin Salman has signaled of normalizing relations with the Jewish State and he even went further saying, it is Palestinian Arabs who are actually trying to obstruct the process of peace in that part of the world. Reason behind Palestinian Arab’s tendency of keeping hostility alive is, the leaders from Hamas and Fatah actually are enjoying personal luxuries at the cost of their people. But, they also are blackmailing the Arab and Muslim nations with the false slogan of Muslim solidarity by imposing Israel-bashing on most of those nations. This is what exactly a terror-patron Iran wants. There even is possibility that Iran actually is providing fund and other “logistics” to few of the top brasses in Hamas and Fatah in keeping the Muslim nations into their anti-Israel bloc.

Recently, Rami Dabbas, a Jordanian-born journalist in an article wrote, “As an Arab activist and writer, I call on the Arab world to normalize relations with Israel, a move that would be almost entirely to our benefit alone. Israel will gain very little from this in practical terms, while Arabs stand to gain tremendously. The state of Israel is stronger and more stable than the Arab states on almost all fronts. If all borders were wide open in Arab states, few if any Israelis at all would flee Tel Aviv for Arab cities, but you would certainly see a flow of people in the opposite direction for the very same reason that multitudes of Arabs seek to emigrate to Europe”.

On the State of Palestine, Mr. Dabbas wrote, “The Arabs are the original occupiers, and have no right to deny the return of the Jewish nation. And that is why I call for normalization: for the recognition of the right of the Jews to exercise sovereignty in their ancestral lands. We Arabs came from the Hijaz, Najd and Yemen. We occupied this land and made it Arab. Some of the Syriac and Aramaic words we still use today, as well as the recorded names of settlements uncovered in archaeological digs. This demonstrates the proof that we are not the original inhabitants here. It is time to solve this conflict, and that begins with us, the Arabs, accepting the Jewish people’s true historical connection to this land. We have everything to gain from so doing”.

I do agree with Rami Dabbas who said, the main reason Arab countries resist normalization with Israel is their mindset of rejecting Western civilization. The Jewish State is a civilized and democratic country like those Western nations – even in some cases more so. Arabs have been raised to detest such brand of civilization. If we closely look into the Muslim nations, both Arab and non-Arab, who are either engaged into Israel-bashing or considering the Jewish State as an “enemy nation” often to not truly understand what they actually are protesting or doing. On the one hand, they want to be benefited from the Westerners and even Israeli civilization but then reject the existence of the State of Israel.

It is globally accepted that the Israeli scientific research is often ahead of what’s coming out of Europe and America. Should there be relations between Dhaka and Jerusalem, Bangladesh will immensely benefit in boosting its agro productions by using Israeli agro-tech. At the same time, Bangladesh also can resolve the existing electricity shortage by joining hands with Israeli technology companies.

Bangladesh is one of 29 UN member states that does not recognize the state of Israel. It is one of several countries that officially bans its citizens from traveling to Israel and does not accept Israeli passports. In November 2003, Bangladeshi journalist Salah Uddin Shoaib Choudhury was arrested for attempting to fly to Tel Aviv, arraigned for “sedition, treason, and blasphemy”, and sentenced to a seven-year prison term. Bangladesh officially supports a sovereign Palestinian state and an end to Israel’s illegal occupation of Palestine.

In a September 2011 statement published in the Jerusalem Post, an Israeli government spokesperson said, “We have no conflict with Bangladesh. We want dialogue. We want people-to-people relations. We welcome the religious-minded people of Bangladesh to visit the holy land of Jerusalem”. Israel fruitlessly “sought a relationship with Bangladesh” after they had established “full diplomatic relations with China and India in 1992”.

Bangladesh maintains a ban on trade with Israel even though both countries are members of the World Trade Organization. In 2014, it was found from the official statistics of the Bangladesh Export Promotion Bureau that Bangladesh had exported a small amount of merchandise goods worth about US$2,577 to Israel in 2013–14 fiscal year. In recent years however, it is found that Bangladeshi products are exported to Israel through USA or European Union or other third countries.

But according to Dhaka’s largest vernacular daily the Prothom Alo, Export Promotion Bureau of Bangladesh (EPB) data shows that in FY12-13 Bangladesh has exported goods worth about $ 22,435 to Israel while in FY11-12 the amount was $ 8,364. The maximum amount of exports took place in FY11 when export earning fetched $ 30,545. And in FY9-10, the amount was US $17,861.

During these years under review, Bangladesh mainly exported apparel, knit and textile products to Israel. Besides garments items some ceramic items were also exported.

Israel’s foreign trade official statistics also showed that the country is importing goods from Bangladesh. According to the respective website, the country has imported $ 17,571 and $ 26,558 in 2012 and 2013 respectively.

EPB officials said that there are two ways to export goods to Israel. One is few individual’s direct export. Other way is, by notifying party.

An official of the EPB tried to explain it in following way: a Bangladeshi is exporting to UK. The UK importer is the consignee. The consignee asked the exporter to make shipment of partial goods to a firm or individual in Israel. The Israeli party becomes a notifying party. And goods send to Israel turn it an export to the country.

According to business analysts, the volume of export of Bangladeshi goods to Israel would increase many folds once there are economic relations between the two countries. In this case, analysts are suggesting Dhaka of adopting the same policy it had earlier adopted for opening economic cooperation between Bangladesh and Taiwan.

Achievement of Israeli medical science:

Recently Israeli scientists have invented medicines for cancer, blood pressure and diabetes, which would be of great interest to the people of Bangladesh. Particularly the invention of oral insulin by an Israeli company which would substitute the injection insulin of the diabetes patients would not only help the patients from getting rid of daily physical pains, but it also will help Bangladesh in saving millions of dollars each month. According to statistics, more 35 million Bangladeshis currently are suffering from diabetes and a large segment of these patients are dependant of injection insulin. Israeli biomedical scientists also have invented 3D heart with human tissue.

“This is the first time anyone anywhere has successfully engineered and printed an entire heart replete with cells, blood vessels, ventricles and chambers,” said Prof. Tal Dvir of TAU’s School of Molecular Cell Biology and Biotechnology, Department of Materials Science and Engineering in the Center for Nanoscience and Nanotechnology, and the Sagol Center for Regenerative Biotechnology, who was the lead researcher for the study.

Heart disease is the leading cause of death among both men and women in the United States. In Israel, it is the second largest cause of death (after cancer).

Heart transplantation is often the only treatment available to patients with end-stage heart failure. The waiting list for patients in the US can be as much as six months or more. In Israel and the US, many patients die while on the waiting list, hoping for a chance at survival.

“This heart is made from human cells and patient-specific biological materials. In our process, these materials serve as the bio-inks, substances made of sugars and proteins that can be used for 3-D printing of complex tissue models,” Dvir explained.

The next step, they said, is to teach the hearts to behave like human hearts. First, they will transplant them into animals and eventually into humans. The hope is that within “10 years, there will be organ printers in the finest hospitals around the world, and these procedures will be conducted routinely,” Dvir said.

Conclusion:

Relations between Bangladesh and Israel are important and it would be mutually beneficial. In this regard, the only person who has been championing this noble cause is none but Salah Uddin Shoaib Choudhury. He is the person, who has risked his life ignoring the threats posed by radical Islam and enemies of Jews and Israel, for the cause of openly defending the Jewish State right by sitting inside Bangladesh. He began these noble efforts since 2002. If there will be relations between Bangladesh and Israel, the only person who would deserve appreciations of all of us is Mr. Choudhury.

https://www.weeklyblitz.net/news/what-bangladesh-would-gain-from-normalizing-relations-with-israel/

Bangladesh will not gain anything. But who cares.

 

[Solomon2]

If our buddies in gulf i.e. Saudis, UAE, Qatar, Kuwait etc start recognizing Israel then I'm certain Bangladesh will follow the suite. BD is not influencial in Muslim world.

Figure it out: if Bangladesh recognized Israel before the states you name then Bangladesh would become a leader in the Muslim world. Wouldn't "influence" follow?

...the gulfies are just half of the problem. Other half is our Mullahs who live to appease the Arabs and make Bangladesh more salafi. They would raise hell in Bangladesh. No elected govt will take the risk of enraging them.

Perhaps such mullahs have to be confronted if Bangladesh is going to be free and "Western" as the OP author desires. Would you feel good about winning such a battle?

Israel better look to normalize relation with Arabs. We are followers of Arabs -

In the long run is it really in Bangladesh's best interest to slave its policy to the desires of Arabs rather than make a bold assertion of adherence to Western values and the hope of far greater prosperity?

And if the Arabs do expel their Bangladeshi workers isn't their a positive side? Aren't these the most enterprising citizens, the ones most willing to take risks? So as long as the red tape at home is kept to a minimum many of these guys will return with their foreign currency savings to start new businesses to earn a living, right? And won't that be a big boost to Bangladesh's economy?