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Western allies cannot allow China to fraternise with the Taliban

Human rights violations, political coups, or religious wars...

Those are imaginary problems invented by the West.

A good and fine country, destroyed in the name of human rights.

Political coup, isn't that what they do all over the world?

Iraq invasion, Arab Springs, War on Terrorism, aren't those religious wars?


If human rights violations, political coups, or religious wars are the reasons for not be friendly with any country, then you don't have any friends at all.

The best way is being neutral, not looking for trouble, make peace and friend with anyone.
 
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Things are not so easy. How Afghanistan will cope with crippling sanctions if applied? ...
Sanction what exactly? Finance?

UN sanctions on Afghanistan are out of question, that's for sure.

EU/US can apply their own sanctions but they don't always work if you don't have hold assets in the West. The Taliban aren't exactly known for holding Swiss accounts.

I really believe that Afghanistan is a closed chapter for the West. Nobody (Iran, Pakistan, China and Russia) will allow Western influence and intervention in this country ever again.
 
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Again I ask, what have you been doing ?

I have been studying Quran and Hadith directly, instead of trying to compose ill-informed articles based on random people's opinions in order to draw similarities between Islam and some warped ideology such as communism. I am not trying to fit some ideology with Islam, you are ... so whoever says anything that fits somewhat, you take. Quite typical.

Seems you are more knowledgeable about Islam than these intellectuals from 100 years ago. :rolleyes:

Hadith is the record of Sunnah of Prophet (Peace Be Upon Him). Quran instructs us to follow the Sunnah of the Prophet (PBUH). So called 'intellectual' you are referring to doesn't even believe in Hadith and you expect me to acknowledge him to be an intellectual?! Tiny following and majority of the muslim world has rejected him. But it suits commies like you to accept.

'It is not for a believing man or a believing woman, when Allah and His Messenger have decided a matter, that they should (thereafter) have any choice about their affair. And whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger has certainly strayed into clear error' (Surah Al-Ahzab, 36)

'You should accept whatever the Messenger gives you and abandon whatever he tells you to abandon. Have taqwa of Allah' (Surat al-Hashr: 7)
 
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West can not "allow" China...., lol, we sneeze at them. A bunch of midgets trying to take on a giant.
you sound more like a moronic delusional indian than a wise and humble Chinese.

bharati: we is super power (because we have 1.4 billion human capital) forgetting that around a billion of them are emaciated brain-damaged drag on the bharat mata

beijingwalker: we is a giant, we beat Trump with a sneeze
 
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Your point has made me think. Thank you.

First a starting point. I am a Muslim Communist and Islamic principles seem to allow investing in stock market but on the condition that the company to be invested in does not work on interest-based economics and its service does not involve gambling and other such moral wrongs and it is even better if the surrounding society is governed is an ideal Islamic welfare state society where losing money in the stock market will not lead to the person becoming bankrupt / socio-economically deprived. I think Islamic stock investment is a smaller version of taking up partnership in a business instead of giving loan to the business. The loan-giver will of course want to make profit and will ask for a cut of the profits from the business' products or services and will be understanding of the fact that Islam prohibits interest-based economics ( Islam evolved this from the preachings of Prophet Isa - Jesus - 600 years prior to the establishment of Islam ). But some Muslim investor who either does not have too much money to take up partnership or does not want to risk money by lending to a business whose idea or product may not work can more safely invest in an established business as stocks and he will be protected by the surrounding welfare state system.

This can also be theoretically extended to a more evolved society which is governed on modern, ideal Communist ideals and which has an evolved socio-economic system. In such a system there can be stocks investing but a person who loses money will have not consequences of economic desperation. Please read this my proposal again to know how that can be done. Let us say a company - say one producing durable, stylish and smart clothing - needs immediately funds to purchase some components from other companies so that they can do research for a certain clothing product but has insufficient funds even after pooling funds from the leaders and the other workers ( companies will be a collectivized arrangement ). What they can do is invite immediate / urgent stock investment through the internet. After a while the research done, product developed and sold, the profits will be distributed equally among the leaders and other workers of the company and among the stock investors depending on how much they invested. And if the product doesn't get sold and doesn't get profit the stock investors will not become economically deprived because of the nature of the socio-economic system I proposed. So a development.



I will start by saying that I almost set up an employee union in the ITES company I worked in from 2013 to 2014. I found wrongs done to me and a few others so this led me to organically decide to set up a union. I didn't know then that the Indian Constitution gives the worker the right to join or set up a union. The idea just came to me to organize the workers. I secretly spread the word around in my branch office to a few workers. The local branch manager somehow got to know of this and quarreled with me on this so I decided to go higher up with my complaints. And the HR lady asked me what is the solution. I foolishly said I want to resign from the company despite my previous plan of setting up the union. I had the momentum so I could really have set the union but I resigned. My previous plan was to set up the union in my branch and then to encourage workers in the main branch in my city to set one up too. This would have been the first employee union in the Indian IT / ITES industry. The next step would have been to encourage my union's workers to tell their friends in other IT / ITES companies in any Indian city to set up unions too. It was a wonderful plan but I resigned. Foolish of me.

But about your question we will have to first go back to before the riot started and this we are talking about the current situation in which India and IOC are Capitalist entities.

If I am a labor leader in Indian IOC and I get to know of IOC's plans to develop an oil well in Gabon I will get the company to send me to Gabon to establish contact with the incoming workers and encourage them to set up an employee union ( and enlist a leader from amongst them who is intelligent, calm and not given to violence ). This would be opposite to the case of IBM-USA which had an employee union ( at least until 2015 ) but when IBM set up the Indian branch many years ago neither the Indian workers set up a union nor did representatives of IBM-USA employee union came here and incited IBM-India workers to set up the union. And this inaction by IBM-India employees is wrong even considering that my father who worked in a government-owned bank and told me that bank workers from all over India, from different banks set up a common employee union IIRC right after the country's independence in 1947.

Coming back to IOC-Gabon it would be ideal if the worker union leaders sit in every meeting that the management has. Now if the workers have a wage problem then they have a legitimate complaint and the workers will discuss this amongst themselves first. Their leaders will not wait for the next management meeting but immediately go to the management about this. The negotiations will need to be calm and the workers will be repeated told to be calm too and informed that the union exists for their welfare so any indiscipline from them will have the effect of those particular workers losing the sympathy and support of the union leaders and the other workers and of me the original Indian union-setting-up encourager. The local union leaders will use me as the conduit to tell the IOC-India management about the wage concerns of the IOC-Gabon workers and I will try to do further negotiations. There can be the possibility of worker strike in IOC-India sites in solidarity with IOC-Gabon workers which will further give encouragement to IOC-Gabon workers to not do indiscipline, rioting etc. If rioting is about to be done by a few workers the other workers will be encouraged to discourage the mischief makers from doing it and if it still is done then the rioters will have to face Gabon security law.



TBH I don't know much about it though I do tend to not accept biased Western recounting of it. Can you summarize that entire revolution ?



Again, I don't know much about Trotsky except how he was killed and also me reading this 2013 article about the Pakistani female activist Malala Yousafzai attending a gathering of Socialists in Pakistan that was arranged by IMT ( International Marxist Tendency - a Trotskyite group ). I quote :

The article also has this :



About my political spectrum it is evolving. I know the basics of what a Communist society should be like and various experiments around the world and what they achieved. For example, in pre-2011 Libya there was Direct Democracy - effectively the people ruling themselves. This was essentially an implementation of the Communist desire for "the withering away of the State". The Libyan political system has been adapted by Venezuela. And then I made the proposal for a new socio-economic system which has money but has eradicated economic classification and socio-economic deprivation.

On December 21, 1949, Stalin's 70th birthday. Mao Zedong and Stalin met in Moscow.
After the meeting, China and the Soviet Union signed <The Sino-Soviet Treaty of Friendship, Alliance and Mutual Assistance>, and the Soviet Union began large-scale assistance to China.
The meeting yielded great results, but in fact Stalin was not friendly to Mao Zedong. He directly said to Mao Zedong: there are only one and a half real communists in the CCP, one is Peng Pai, he is dead, and the other half is you, Mao Zedong.
Stalin was right. He knew China well and he saw the most serious problem of the CCP, deep-rooted Confucianism and nationalism.
Unlike other communist countries, the legitimacy of the CCP regime did not come from the bolsheviks and the soviet. The legitimacy of the CCP regime comes from the inheritance and development of Sun Yat Sen's <Three Principles of the People>. This is also the basic condition for all Chinese parties to be willing to unite under the banner of the CCP.
<Three Principles of the People> is nationalism, people's rights, people's livelihood. This is actually a modern version of Confucianism.
This shows the fact that no political power established in China can be separated from the influence of Confucianism. Even the powerful CCP and Mao Zedong could not do it.
Stalin understood this, but Khrushchev did not.


Go on later. I have something to do.
 
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For general knowledge, Megalodon was the ultimate predator of the seas for millions of years around the world. This shark was big enough to swallow an Orca whole.

But nothing lasts forever of-course. This is the way of Earth.

If only americans can understand this

Megalodon was
Orca IS....
 
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Hadith is the record of Sunnah of Prophet (Peace Be Upon Him). Quran instructs us to follow the Sunnah of the Prophet (PBUH). So called 'intellectual' you are referring to doesn't even believe in Hadith and you expect me to acknowledge him to be an intellectual?!

You have to reflect more. He has studied them :
After studying traditional Muslim texts, as well as Sufism, Parvez claimed that almost all hadiths were fabrications by those who wanted Islam to seem like an intolerant faith and by ancient Muslim kings who used these hadiths to give divine legitimacy to their tyrannical rules.


Note the underlined :
and on the complete rejection of the hadith (sayings of the Prophet and his companions based on hearsay and compiled over a 100 years after the Prophet’s demise).
What does hearsay mean ? And note the "compiled over a 100 years after" part.

But I am not talking about complete rejection of them. Reject only those elements which don't appeal to general human logic and sensibility.

Tiny following

I am in India and however unfortunate what is fashionable among a lot of the middle class now is Hindutva thought. The core Hindutvadis have a large following so should I follow them too ?

The correct thinkers may be in the minority too but they are important.

'It is not for a believing man or a believing woman, when Allah and His Messenger have decided a matter, that they should (thereafter) have any choice about their affair. And whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger has certainly strayed into clear error' (Surah Al-Ahzab, 36)

'You should accept whatever the Messenger gives you and abandon whatever he tells you to abandon. Have taqwa of Allah' (Surat al-Hashr: 7)

So you are somehow connecting these two surahs to the hadees works which weren't part of the Quran at all and were compiled 100 years after the Prophet's passing ? And you say you have studied the Quran. What is your objection to majorly accepting the Quran and accepting only those elements from the hadees works which appeal to general human logic and sensibility ?

But it suits commies like you to accept.

But the commies just present an ideology for human political, social and economic evolution. Below is Google result for "Communism" :
Communism is a philosophical, social, political and economic ideology and movement whose ultimate goal is the establishment of a communist society, namely a socioeconomic order structured upon the ideas of common ownership of the means of production and the absence of social classes, money and the state. Wikipedia
What is your objection to such humane and wonderful set of thoughts ? What is warped about them ?
 
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You have to reflect more. He has studied them :



Note the underlined :

What does hearsay mean ? And note the "compiled over a 100 years after" part.



I am in India and however unfortunate what is fashionable among a lot of the middle class now is Hindutva thought. The core Hindutvadis have a large following so should I follow them too ?

The correct thinkers may be in the minority too but they are important.



So you are somehow connecting these two surahs to the hadees works which weren't part of the Quran at all and were compiled 100 years after the Prophet's passing ? And you say you have studied the Quran. What is your objection to majorly accepting the Quran and accepting only those elements from the hadees works which appeal to general human logic and sensibility ?



But the commies just present an ideology for human political, social and economic evolution. Below is Google result for "Communism" :

What is your objection to such humane and wonderful set of thoughts ? What is warped about them ?

I studied Pervez in some detail (have you bothered to yet?) but upon study of Quran and Hadith I discarded him and his beliefs/opinions.

You've not even read the translation of Quran yet so how can you be so firm in your beliefs or beliefs of others? Completely illogical and daft of you to do so, more so when claiming to be a muslim!

As you are severely ill-informed about your Deen, please study Quran first and then ping me for a discussion on any systems comparisons. I will wait until you have attempted to gain knowledge directly from Quran on your own.

In 54th surah “Al Qamar” of Qur’an-ul- Hakeem: ayaat number 17,22,32 & 40 the All-Knowing and All-Wise ALLAH s.w.t repeats the following statement four (4) times:

“We have made this Qur’an easy to understand; Is there anyone who will contemplate”.

You have no excuse not to study the Quran, and the app I referenced earlier should make it far easier to do so.
 
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Sanction what exactly? Finance?

UN sanctions on Afghanistan are out of question, that's for sure.

EU/US can apply their own sanctions but they don't always work if you don't have hold assets in the West. The Taliban aren't exactly known for holding Swiss accounts.

I really believe that Afghanistan is a closed chapter for the West. Nobody (Iran, Pakistan, China and Russia) will allow Western influence and intervention in this country ever again.
Nobody is advocating invasion of Afghanistan (I hope so) but the road to growth and prosperity for 'any' country is through 'international legitimacy'. Alternative is to be a sanctioned, or a pariah state.

You will find ample information in following links:



Afghan economic outlook is bleak and Afghans are running to other countries as WE speak. Many have crossed over to Pakistan as well.

There must be a reason why GOP is giving following call:


There must be a reason as to why Troika Plus exist and have sought a roadmap from the new Afghan government:


Some of the members here do not have realistic positions, or aloof to what is actually happening. I see no point in jumping to conclusions right now.
 
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I will wait until you have attempted to gain knowledge directly from Quran on your own.

In 54th surah “Al Qamar” of Qur’an-ul- Hakeem: ayaat number 17,22,32 & 40 the All-Knowing and All-Wise ALLAH s.w.t repeats the following statement four (4) times:

“We have made this Qur’an easy to understand; Is there anyone who will contemplate”.
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Hit a nerve eh!

@jamahir is talking about comparisons of Islam and communism, and he hasn't even studied the Quran. So it's logical that he is directed to study Quran first before getting into a discussion with him on comparisons/similarities!
 
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Hit a nerve eh!

@jamahir is talking about comparisons of Islam and communism, and he hasn't even studied the Quran. So it's logical that he is directed to study Quran first before getting into a discussion with him on comparisons/similarities!
you don't see it do you?
 
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Hit a nerve eh!

@jamahir is talking about comparisons of Islam and communism, and he hasn't even studied the Quran. So it's logical that he is directed to study Quran first before getting into a discussion with him on comparisons/similarities!

As an opposite example I haven't studied the Manusmriti either. This possibly 3000-year-old evil book is the one that is the favorite of the Hindutvadis and defines the caste system in Hinduism and the ways to oppress the Lower Castes, women and other groups. Do you think if I read the Manusmriti I would suddenly stop opposing the Manusmriti and join the Muslim branch of the RSS ?

I know the goodness of the Quran's preachings instinctively and from the few simplified extracts of it that I have read for things like marriage law, inheritance law, other socio-economic laws and other things and even after I read it in full my ideas about real Islam will remain same as now. Despite you, as you claim, having the Quran's text you don't seem to have understood it. Good night.
 
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Nobody is advocating invasion of Afghanistan (I hope so) but the road to growth and prosperity for 'any' country is through 'international legitimacy'. Alternative is to be a sanctioned, or a pariah state.

You will find ample information in following links:



Afghan economic outlook is bleak and Afghans are running to other countries as WE speak. Many have crossed over to Pakistan as well.

There must be a reason why GOP is giving following call:


There must be a reason as to why Troika Plus exist and have sought a roadmap from the new Afghan government:


Some of the members here do not have realistic positions, or aloof to what is actually happening. I see no point in jumping to conclusions right now.
I can understand the West will want to dominate Afghanistan through economic means and if that's not allowed, they'll want to keep it under-developed as much as possible in the hope it will gey politically destabilised giving West another chance to get some favourite in there. But that's Western World's wet dream and like I said the neighbours (Iran, Pakistan, China and Russia) will not allow this to happen. This much is definitely clear.

Because Afghanistan is lanlocked, there's not much the Western World can do to Afghanistan without first going through Pakistan or Iran. We just need to hope that some lalchi Pakistani General does not do the only thing the Pakistani Generals are good at.
 
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