West will share responsibility for devastation of south Lebanon (Vic Rosenthal)

[IR-TR]

Pathetic country. All that money, and still can't do anything against this group. They will always be victorious. And all of Lebanon except a few subhuman takfiris support them. Ha, even the entire Sunni world loved them in 2006. Will happen again.

 

[U8200]

Pathetic country. All that money, and still can't do anything against this group. They will always be victorious..

1,500 dead and they were still rebuilding Southern Beirut 6 years after the war.

Whilst Israelis were back to normal on the beach.

I hope the Hezzies have many more such "victories"

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Yup. And asserting simple human values over criminal terrorist ones will be an important step.

Wishing well and peace to all is I believe expression of basic human values.

Of course. My first introduction to Pakistani affairs was when Pakistani diplomats bared all in my living room in 1971. But you misunderstand the Indian threat. The Indians are not out to conquer Pakistan. They are instead quite content to drive you crazy - to keep you that way now that you are. The more Pakistan fails the greater India's moral legitimacy.

I always have to laugh at this one. This appears to be cut and dried reply for us in Pakistan which I find in lot's of American media. Threat and perception of threat can only be measured by the intended subject of the said threat. Even if threat is nominal but perception is real then in so far as that person is concerned it will be real despite what anybody says. In short the wearer of the shoe only knows if it fits. It is no good outsourcing the gauging of any threats.

Shall we let Islamabad think tanks decide the threat Isreal faces from Hezbollah and Tel Aviv can decide what threat Pakistan faces? Sort of absurd "you scratch my back and I scratch yours"

You have pasted an entire article on a bunch of rag tag militia - Hezbollah. The maximum firepower they have is something a first year engineering graduate could make. You ( I assume your Isreali ) have F-15 Eagles arrayed against them whereas in our case we face one of the largest military forces on earth. So do me a favour please allow us the privilage of sizing the threat we face. I doubt Isreal would allow the threat it faces from Hezbollah to be decided by Malaysia or some other country.

Don't exaggerate. Pakistan has received huge amounts of military aid for decades. It's when Pakistan decides that it's more interested in conquest than defense that the U.S. has reservations.

No, I don't exaggerate. Again this is subjective. Indeed Pakistan has recieved significant military aid from USA however relative to what Isreal recieved and the threat profile it faced Pakistan got 'peanuts'. Sometimes defence can be offence. Has Isreal not conquered large swathes of Egypt in the past? As a example for every one F-16 we got Isreal got 5 and do please see who recieves the largest military aid in the world from USA. All this to handle the water melons and bananas weilded as weapons by Hezbollah and the incompetant Arab armies.

It looks like an impressive step forward in democratic decision-making but I've been thinking the military decision came first and the political one as "cover" afterward.

As long as the decision is right I think we can live with the process that was behind it - Pakistan is a evolving democracy.

Then you have to denounce Hezbollah's plans to utilize Lebanese as human shields. Otherwise war will come there - and you'll be endorsing much the same sort of war in Pakistan, too

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I will denounce any civilians used as human shields and given what you described, contingent on that, I would denounce Hezbollah without quiver of doubt.

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For what it's worth I have had significant contact with Isreali's in the past. Back in early 1990s I did a course at Buckingham University, UK becase they ran two year graduate courses. On my first day there I ran into a Isreali student who was looking to dispose of the first year books and I bought them at decent price. Subsequently I got his notes and lots of help from him. He was not the only Isreali there. This chap had done one year service with IDF and I found him to be a very nice person so I have no issues at a personal level with Isreali's.

 

[Falcon29]

@Solomon2

Pakistan wants nothing to do with this mess;
no need to say this or that; we need to mind our own business and let
the Palestinian diaspora around the globe to think and worry about their country.

Enough !

Has nothing to do with Palestinians. Hezbollah is Lebanese. Lebanese and Palestinian are two different things.

The Israelis can’t afford a war of attrition with Hezbollah. The Iran-backed terror group has the ability to saturation bomb Israeli civilians with 1,500 projectiles a day, every day, for over two months. They will try to bring down Tel Aviv’s skyscrapers with ballistic missiles. They will try to fly suicide drones into Israel’s nuclear reactor. They will try to detonate Israel’s off-shore energy infrastructure. They will try to destroy Israeli military and civilian runways. And – mainly but not exclusively through their tunnels – they will try to overrun Israeli towns and drag away women and children as hostages. Israeli casualties would range in the thousands to tens of thousands.​

Bogus fear-mongering, I'm not here to defend Hezbollah as I no longer have favorable opinion of group. I'm here to counter Israeli false narratives which are employed against my people as well. There will be no such thing as 'women' or 'child' hostages. They said this about Hamas too, Hamas's tactical operations were all conducted against Israeli soldiers. In order to hide embarrassment, Israel claimed the soldiers made sacrifices to prevent Hamas from massacring Israeli civilians in villages. Obviously, they have no intention to target civilians and made tactical operations against Israeli forces deployed on border preparing to invade.

I doubt Hezbollah is capable of damaging offshore structure, if it is though. Fair game, as Israel will largely target Lebanese infrastructure. Israeli casualties will not reach tens of thousands, another fear mongering dramatized statement. Probably not even over one hundred, only their troops would have more than 100 KIA if they invade Lebanon.

Hitting Israel's nuclear reactor means nothing. As the plant is underground, damaging above ground structure is symbolic victory. Will not cause any chemical leak nor mean much from military perspective. And they can only fit small amount of explosives if using drone.

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Hezbollah has adopted the most extreme form of the human shield strategy pioneered by Hamas in Gaza. The IDF will be forced to choose between killing thousands, perhaps tens of thousands, of Lebanese civilians and seeing its own country laid waste.

Israeli's must be some really freakish people. No way will tens of thousands of Lebanese civilians be killed. If so, then they have nothing better to do than kill. Hezbollah will not start any war, Hezbollah is bogged down in Syria. If Israel is publishing such articles to prepare public opinion for 'preemptive' attack on Lebanon, it will not help. Nobody will tolerate tens of thousands of civilian deaths within few days/weeks, it would be regarded as genocide worse than anything ever seen in modern day. Author has too much free time and odd creative mind.

Hezbollah isn't using human shields, it has developed foritifed underground system in Lebanon to transfer weaponry, protect communication system and so on. Referring to this as 'human shields' is inaccurate. It just means Israel has very small target bank of actual military targets since most are concealed underground and well planned. So Israel will resort to targeting Lebanese state infrastrucutre but also families of hezbollah/Lebanese army commanders and most likely kill their families completely as they did in Gaza.

Pathetic country. All that money, and still can't do anything against this group. They will always be victorious. And all of Lebanon except a few subhuman takfiris support them. Ha, even the entire Sunni world loved them in 2006. Will happen again.

Popular support won't have impact here. In a war you are on your own, nobody will assist you in international arena. Materially they may get extra supplies from Iran but politically they're helpless. Hamas is helpless politically as well. So Lebanese civilians will suffer as much as Israel wants them to. Unless Hezbollah is able to cause damage that makes Israeli's want a quick end.

 

[IR-TR]

1,500 dead and they were still rebuilding Southern Beirut 6 years after the war.

Whilst Israelis were back to normal on the beach.

I hope the Hezzies have many more such "victories"

Haha. Give Hezbollah even half the air power Isr has, and they'd be kicking you back to Eastern Europe in a week. GTFO neus.

Has nothing to do with Palestinians. Hezbollah is Lebanese. Lebanese and Palestinian are two different things.

Bogus fear-mongering, I'm not here to defend Hezbollah as I no longer have favorable opinion of group. I'm here to counter Israeli false narratives which are employed against my people as well. There will be no such thing as 'women' or 'child' hostages. They said this about Hamas too, Hamas's tactical operations were all conducted against Israeli soldiers. In order to hide embarrassment, Israel claimed the soldiers made sacrifices to prevent Hamas from massacring Israeli civilians in villages. Obviously, they have no intention to target civilians and made tactical operations against Israeli forces deployed on border preparing to invade.

I doubt Hezbollah is capable of damaging offshore structure, if it is though. Fair game, as Israel will largely target Lebanese infrastructure. Israeli casualties will not reach tens of thousands, another fear mongering dramatized statement. Probably not even over one hundred, only their troops would have more than 100 KIA if they invade Lebanon.

Hitting Israel's nuclear reactor means nothing. As the plant is underground, damaging above ground structure is symbolic victory. Will not cause any chemical leak nor mean much from military perspective. And they can only fit small amount of explosives if using drone.

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Israeli's must be some really freakish people. No way will tens of thousands of Lebanese civilians be killed. If so, then they have nothing better to do than kill. Hezbollah will not start any war, Hezbollah is bogged down in Syria. If Israel is publishing such articles to prepare public opinion for 'preemptive' attack on Lebanon, it will not help. Nobody will tolerate tens of thousands of civilian deaths within few days/weeks, it would be regarded as genocide worse than anything ever seen in modern day. Author has too much free time and odd creative mind.

Hezbollah isn't using human shields, it has developed foritifed underground system in Lebanon to transfer weaponry, protect communication system and so on. Referring to this as 'human shields' is inaccurate. It just means Israel has very small target bank of actual military targets since most are concealed underground and well planned. So Israel will resort to targeting Lebanese state infrastrucutre but also families of hezbollah/Lebanese army commanders and most likely kill their families completely as they did in Gaza.



Popular support won't have impact here. In a war you are on your own, nobody will assist you in international arena. Materially they may get extra supplies from Iran but politically they're helpless. Hamas is helpless politically as well. So Lebanese civilians will suffer as much as Israel wants them to. Unless Hezbollah is able to cause damage that makes Israeli's want a quick end.

I know and your whole post makes sense. But a Isr attack that targets all of Lebanon (in the hope of making Hezbollah hated) will backfire again, as it did in 2006. The whole country was in support of them, Christians even. Because the LAF didn't do anything. And heck I know, they use that disGUSTING excuse: human shields. You suckers of c-k have annexed the entire piece of land, all Palestinians live in 10km2 (exaggeration, but you get the point). Even if all would stand on the beach or on the border, they'd still get killed. That's the point though, F all PAlestinians, and hope that they go to another Arab country. That way 'we' can take it all.

 

[Falcon29]

I know and your whole post makes sense. But a Isr attack that targets all of Lebanon (in the hope of making Hezbollah hated) will backfire again, as it did in 2006. The whole country was in support of them, Christians even. Because the LAF didn't do anything. And heck I know, they use that disGUSTING excuse: human shields. You suckers of c-k have annexed the entire piece of land, all Palestinians live in 10km2 (exaggeration, but you get the point). Even if all would stand on the beach or on the border, they'd still get killed. That's the point though, F all PAlestinians, and hope that they go to another Arab country. That way 'we' can take it all.

If Lebanon is attacked, either way they will lose propaganda war in the West. So most important thing is military preparedness. If they can't make gains in that field, it will end bad for everybody. Although I don't see why Israel would attack Lebanon at this time. They are miscalculating and weakening Hezbollah could destabilize Lebanon and lead to Syrian rebels on their doorsteps in Syria, Lebanon and Jordan.

 

[IR-TR]

If Lebanon is attacked, either way they will lose propaganda war in the West. So most important thing is military preparedness. If they can't make gains in that field, it will end bad for everybody. Although I don't see why Israel would attack Lebanon at this time. They are miscalculating and weakening Hezbollah could destabilize Lebanon and lead to Syrian rebels on their doorsteps in Syria, Lebanon and Jordan.

But what if that IS the point, because those takfiris won't attack Isr? Did you see the interview yesterday of that POS nusra leader? All my enemies are Assad and Hezb he said. I mean connect the dots. And guess what, you as a Palestinian, should also be afraid. This is not shia sunni, cutting this link will mean no more ANYTHING to Palestine. Even though you might hate Iran, they were your only life-supply. Now that is in danger. F-ck, Hamas should join the battlefield against Nusra.

 

[Falcon29]

But what if that IS the point, because those takfiris won't attack Isr? Did you see the interview yesterday of that POS nusra leader? All my enemies are Assad and Hezb he said. I mean connect the dots. And guess what, you as a Palestinian, should also be afraid. This is not shia sunni, cutting this link will mean no more ANYTHING to Palestine. Even though you might hate Iran, they were your only life-supply. Now that is in danger. F-ck, Hamas should join the battlefield against Nusra.

I don't care for your personal views or Shia narrative. I'm speaking solidly facts. What you believe is agenda of so and so group in Syria is your personal belief that you create. I don't busy myself trying to figure that out. And even if I know something you don't, I won't mention anything. Hamas won't get involved in anything in Syria, Iran won't fall. And Iran isn't important for Hamas. Assad will likely fall and Hezbollah will withdraw earlier than expected to Lebanese/Syrian border areas. The quagmire you guys got yourselves involved in is not ours, hamas warned you against it from beginning. You deal with consquences, for Hamas there will be no consqueces and Iran cut ties with them and Iran isn't capable of financial support nor any impressive military support. At least not to Gaza.

 

[Hussein]

asking our neighbours to be against us, that 's not a constructive and non fanatic behavior.

blame Hezbollah? then make something good with Lebanon so they don't exist anymore politically
but you are too agressive . you don't get Lebanon is not a terrorist country.

some crazy people have blood in their eyes : attacking Iran has been an obsession
and a strategy: show an ennemy and forget all the problems (out side and inside).

the good people would work for a better world
the bad ones ask for fight war and hatred.

 

[Hack-Hook]

1,500 dead and they were still rebuilding Southern Beirut 6 years after the war.

Whilst Israelis were back to normal on the beach.

I hope the Hezzies have many more such "victories"

Well Israel targeted civilian but Hezbollah targeted the military just look at the statistics.

 

[Solomon2]

Must give more Pakistanis a chance to respond to their fellows before I comment further.