West press admit no victory in afghanistan

[888jamie888]

They have not won but I think the Americans are winning. Osama and many of his chiefs are dead. There have been no more terrorist attacks on American soil.
True soldiers are still dying but so are the Taleban.
Do all the Taleban need to die for victory?

 

[Yeti]

Well you lot seem to be the only one that seem to think that they have won and or are winning. Also stop wasting time i have responded to how osama even in death has won or taleban won in earlier posts

I never said they 'won or winning' i said it will be looked upon as neither a defeat nor a victory. As for your ridiculous numerous threads on America going bankrupt or the fall of the great empire the reason i never posted on them is the stupidity of the subject matter.

BTW Who really won after 9/11? Iran is knee deep in sanctions and Iraq is now a pro-america state as will be Libya the only victor I see is America who have more access to middle eastern oil

 

[lem34]

Well you lot seem to be the only one that seem to think that they have won and or are winning. Also stop wasting time i have responded to how osama even in death has won or taleban won in earlier posts

Self delete

 

[lem34]

I never said they 'won or winning' i said it will be looked upon as neither a defeat nor a victory. As for your ridiculous numerous threads on America going bankrupt or the fall of the great empire the reason i never posted on them is the stupidity of the subject matter.

BTW Who really won after 9/11? Iran is knee deep in sanctions and Iraq is now a pro-america state as will be Libya the only victor I see is America who have more access to middle eastern oil

A draw is a victory for the talebans who would have thought talebans would still be there killing soooo many americans 10 years on.

Aww dont you cant you handle it. The americans and some indians never seem to tire about putting anti muslim or anti pakistani threads up cant you take what you give? Oh and iraq is not pro americans, Recently americans are begging them for some kind of agreement to legally stay in iraq. As for Iranians they are still there defying the west america and israel huff and puff and iranians are getting nearer and nearer to producing a nuke that is if they havnt already oh and americas going bust and may not beable to help you if you get a kicking in the neighbourhood. I dont know why you have to show this psychophantic thing for americans your neighbours are peace loving and will not kick you now go to sleep warm and safe

 

[Yeti]

A draw is a victory for the talebans who would have thought talebans would still be there killing soooo many americans 10 years on.

Aww dont you cant you handle it. The americans and some indians never seem to tire about putting anti muslim or anti pakistani threads up cant you take what you give? Oh and iraq is not pro americans, Recently americans are begging them for some kind of agreement to legally stay in iraq. As for Iranians they are still there defying the west america and israel huff and puff and iranians are getting nearer and nearer to producing a nuke that is if they havnt already oh and americas going bust and may not beable to help you if you get a kicking in the neighbourhood. I dont know why you have to show this psychophantic thing for americans your neighbours are peace loving and will not kick you now go to sleep warm and safe

Taliban are killing and getting killed btw even b4 9/11 the Taliban never ruled Afghanistan totally it was a brutal war being waged with the Northen alliance.

 

[CENTCOM]

So true. There is no victory for ANYONE in Afghanistan - just a lot of sad sad deaths. This is the problem they go in gun ho and say it will take 6 or 8 weeks and several years later they are still thier losing money and people. Numerous examples this has happened

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By the way nice source mate...

Sad as it is Taleban seem to be doing what they were doing 10 years and that was killing americans. And now americans are withdrawing.

The comments above certainly state a concern but failure to correctly analyze the situation will most certainly result in opinions, which are far from the truth! Can we deny that the nation of Afghanistan no longer lives under the Taliban dictatorship while continuing to prosper as a free nation? Isn’t the transition of security responsibilities to Afghan government forces strong proof of progress? The hard work of the US and NATO forces has laid a base for the Afghan people to build upon and brought changes simply unimaginable a decade ago. The doubters will continue to undermine our efforts but please read below for a few verifiable developments so you can gain an idea regarding our progression in Afghanistan.

In the link below read about the International Security and Assistance Force (ISAF) rebuilding roads for Afghans.

Engineers Rebuild Roads for Afghans, Coalition Forces | ISAF - International Security Assistance Force

In the link below you can read about 81 students who graduated school as nurses, laboratory and radiology technicians and preventive medicine specialists for the Afghan national army.

81 ANA Medical Students Graduate – Ready to Save Lives | ISAF - International Security Assistance Force

In the link below you can read about the vocational training program teaching Afghans to build a better future.

Afghans Learn to Build a Better Future Through Vocational Education | ISAF - International Security Assistance Force

Do you see why it would be wrong to suggest that Afghanistan has not progressed since the US and NATO forces overthrew the Taliban dictatorship?

We are not saying our job is done and agree much more needs to be done but our troop withdrawal is a sign of Afghanistan’s strength and of Taliban weakness. The winter and spring campaigns conducted by Afghan, international and US forces have weakened the Taliban and made it possible for the US to, according to plan, hand over security to Afghan forces. Afghan security forces are increasingly well trained and equipped to independently deal with the Taliban and other terrorists in the region. Our dedication to the Afghans remains intact, and our commitment to Afghanistan is long standing.

CDR Bill Speaks,
DET, United States Central Command
U.S. Central Command

 

[lem34]

Do you see why it would be wrong to suggest that Afghanistan has not progressed since the US and NATO forces overthrew the Taliban dictatorship?

We are not saying our job is done and agree much more needs to be done but our troop withdrawal is a sign of Afghanistan’s strength and of Taliban weakness. The winter and spring campaigns conducted by Afghan, international and US forces have weakened the Taliban and made it possible for the US to, according to plan, hand over security to Afghan forces. Afghan security forces are increasingly well trained and equipped to independently deal with the Taliban and other terrorists in the region. Our dedication to the Afghans remains intact, and our commitment to Afghanistan is long standing.

CDR Bill Speaks,
DET, United States Central Command
U.S. Central Command

AMERICAN PROPAGANDA MINISTERY SPEAKS

 

[888jamie888]

AMERICAN PROPAGANDA MINISTERY SPEAKS

Which of those points would you disagree with?

 

[lem34]

Which of those points would you disagree with?

Its propaganda its all lies for starters americans are not withdrawing from a position of strength. More american soldiers were killed in the last two months than ever.

 

[888jamie888]

Its propaganda its all lies for starters americans are not withdrawing from a position of strength. More american soldiers were killed in the last two months than ever.

Wasn't the majority of those deaths, from 1 crashed chinook? Besides overall they rule the country, not the Taleban.
Anything else?

 

[lem34]

Wasn't the majority of those deaths, from 1 crashed chinook? Besides overall they rule the country, not the Taleban.
Anything else?

So the deaths dont count if a helicopter is brought down? I think a similar number died last month

 

[888jamie888]

So the deaths dont count if a helicopter is brought down? I think a similar number died last month

I mean, it's pretty rare for a whole chinook to be shot down. A one off event.
Again, America is still in control.

 

[lem34]

I mean, it's pretty rare for a whole chinook to be shot down. A one off event.
Again, America is still in control.

I just stated jamie that a similar number died last month that is july. I think it was 59 last month this month 61 and taleban are hoping to push it up in sept?

 

[888jamie888]

I just stated jamie that a similar number died last month that is july. I think it was 59 last month this month 61 and taleban are hoping to push it up in sept?

I don't doubt that, but how many Taleban are dead? The Americans rule the country. The Taleban have pretty much been defeated.

 

[DV RULES]

The comments above certainly state a concern but failure to correctly analyze the situation will most certainly result in opinions, which are far from the truth! Can we deny that the nation of Afghanistan no longer lives under the Taliban dictatorship while continuing to prosper as a free nation? Isn’t the transition of security responsibilities to Afghan government forces strong proof of progress? The hard work of the US and NATO forces has laid a base for the Afghan people to build upon and brought changes simply unimaginable a decade ago. The doubters will continue to undermine our efforts but please read below for a few verifiable developments so you can gain an idea regarding our progression in Afghanistan.

In the link below read about the International Security and Assistance Force (ISAF) rebuilding roads for Afghans.

Engineers Rebuild Roads for Afghans, Coalition Forces | ISAF - International Security Assistance Force

In the link below you can read about 81 students who graduated school as nurses, laboratory and radiology technicians and preventive medicine specialists for the Afghan national army.

81 ANA Medical Students Graduate – Ready to Save Lives | ISAF - International Security Assistance Force

In the link below you can read about the vocational training program teaching Afghans to build a better future.

Afghans Learn to Build a Better Future Through Vocational Education | ISAF - International Security Assistance Force

Do you see why it would be wrong to suggest that Afghanistan has not progressed since the US and NATO forces overthrew the Taliban dictatorship?

We are not saying our job is done and agree much more needs to be done but our troop withdrawal is a sign of Afghanistan’s strength and of Taliban weakness. The winter and spring campaigns conducted by Afghan, international and US forces have weakened the Taliban and made it possible for the US to, according to plan, hand over security to Afghan forces. Afghan security forces are increasingly well trained and equipped to independently deal with the Taliban and other terrorists in the region. Our dedication to the Afghans remains intact, and our commitment to Afghanistan is long standing.

CDR Bill Speaks,
DET, United States Central Command
U.S. Central Command

CDR Bill Speaks,
DET, United States Central Command

It will not be justice if we will deny US/NATO effort making Afghanistan a prosperous and progressive country as for Pakistan stable & liberal Afghanistan far more important than Afghanistan under Talibs. That is true that people of Afghanistan started to think over development of their country. In this way situation of infrastructure improved by industries established by NATO countries and jobs are going increased, despite all these developments it also couldn’t ignore that this is starting point. Meanwhile what important for us(Pakistan) is toward which political & strategic direction this prosperous Afghanistan is pushed by NATO member (especially by US)? That’s our concern or issue at this moment.

I don’t think that I should repeat ethic connection in between Pashtun living on both sides where this is major point and without proper consideration it you can’t proceed effectively in the way to develop Afghanistan. You can’t mute role of Pakistan and in any step if you will ignore Pakistan and bring a 3rd country specially which can provoke Pakistan then you have to forget that in next 50 years you will find Afghanistan as you are looking for (developed, liberal, responsible & stable). Reason to bring “DIRECTION OF AFGHANISTAN”, concerns with political situation in Afghanistan which can’t suitable for Pakistan starting relation symbiotic. Strengthening influence of northern alliance 30% of total population in government where there closed to Russians and Indians as well but ignoring Pashtuns which are more than 45% of ethnic groups, northern alliance are promoted because of their liberalism more than Pashtun but this will result in becoming civil war in Afghanistan and political war as well. In another hand US/NATO used Pakistan as ally and accept Pakistan as power of solution Afghan issue but on other hand the political plot of Afghanistan was promoted against Pakistan! US/NATO can change this impression of defeat in quick manners if you will give Pakistan decisive role to play in Afghanistan and in government where it is not necessary that Taliban should come again (Here need to remind that it was Pakistan who oppose Taliban’s way of governance after 1996) and step collectively with Pakistan without any 3rd party involvement which may not in Pakistan’s interests to allow play in Afghanistan.

US/NATO is going to spend billions of dollars for development of infrastructure and ANA which is good but all this will be useless until you will not act in favour of your ally in WOT and consider interests of major player in Afghanistan. This also will reduce social conflicts between tribes of both sides and will help to normalize security situation in tribal belt of PAKISTAN-AFGHANISTAN. In that case you will successful and your victory bringing peace in the region.