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West Bengal assembly adopts resolution: Boost for Bangla as UN language

Bengali has a very good chance of getting accepted as a UN language if India supports it, as none of the language in this subcontinent has that status yet. It will be the pride for whole sub continent. ;)

Thanks was a mistake, you dont deserve it.

And why are you jumping on West bengal an indian state assembly resolution???? What a shame, a like yourself subsurvients can not think beyond india. Bangladesh did and can do anything without indian involvement.
 
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What difference will it make to Bengali, if its made a UN language?

Yeah damn it...my language is beautifull.....the best of em all.....the language which was used by the greatest poets of em all.....and i love it.....lets make it now a world recognized language,as we fought for it(indeed a unique history rounds bout this language)

Who is the greatest poet? Tagore? Yeah right jako. I'm bengali too but lets not get overboard with Bengali pride.
 
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@Al-Zakir

Whatever may be the ethnical composition of the Bangali muslims, and however different ethnically we are from the hindus in the Bengal of both sides of the border, we speak the same language. Religion and a little ethnic difference may have divided us, but the language Bangla itself has given us a single platform. This language is an uniting factor. An endorsement from the Indian States of Assam, Tripura and west Bengal will certainly help the language to take the front seat in the UN.
 
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But this is a treat for all bangla speakers or as they call us-BANGALIS!!!...dont spoil the bong party with your usual religion based bs,zakir
 
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Nemesis,but which language has the height that people shed their blood for it???...bengalis fought for bangla language,this language was used as a platform through which kazi najrul islam revolted against atrocity...isnt it unique?....and who did such diverse work other than kabiguru Rabindranath Thakur in literature??....you may vary from my point,but yes cannot stir my belief.
 
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What difference will it make to Bengali, if its made a UN language?

Lots of difference will make. Do you know in DNS address lookup Bangla was excluded as one of the language? We had to fight for it to get that included with a logic that if Russians can be included why not Bangla? I am not aware of any other language of this subcontinect which had been considered or not.


Who is the greatest poet? Tagore? Yeah right jako. I'm bengali too but lets not get overboard with Bengali pride.

Everybody has their own taste and certaily you do yours. Only a very few poets had the kind of volume that he had. shakespeare????
 
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@Al-Zakir

Whatever may be the ethnical composition of the Bangali muslims, and however different ethnically we are from the hindus in the Bengal of both sides of the border.

Bangladeshis has own identity and fundamentally different from Bengalis in WB. Even within Bengali language, how its spoken and written has very distinctive difference. Just trying to get UN official recognition is no good reason to equate Bangladeshi identity with and Bengalis from WB. Only people who do that are ghotis and indian subservient.
 
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Thanks was a mistake, you dont deserve it.

And why are you jumping on West bengal an indian state assembly resolution???? What a shame, a like yourself subsurvients can not think beyond india. Bangladesh did and can do anything without indian involvement.

Bengali is their language and they have their responsibility too, which they cant ignore.

I get a lot of thanks Idune and one more or less will not make any difference.
 
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Everybody has their own taste and certaily you do yours. Only a very few poets had the kind of volume that he had. shakespeare????

Below is what the novelist Sunil Ganguly has written about the the songs/lyrics of the two greatest poets. He wrote that in his long lifetime Rabindranath Thakur wrote about one thousand songs. And, Kazi Nazrul islam wrote somewhere from 3500 to 4000 songs.

Sunil Ganguly also wrote that the majority of Nazrul's songs were written when he was working in the Calcutta radio. This period was about 10 years. So, in essence Nazrul wrote one song every day in average during this period. Listen to his songs, you will not find one lyric or its melody is similar to any other of his songs. Very few singers now-a-days can sing his songs.

I am not telling that one was greater than the others. What I mean is both were very great poets and both were greatest in his own field. Not every singer can properly sing the songs of these two great poets.
 
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Nemesis,but which language has the height that people shed their blood for it???...bengalis fought for bangla language,this language was used as a platform through which kazi najrul islam revolted against atrocity...

Bengali isnt the only language people have fought for.


isnt it unique?

Yes it is unique. Like Persian, it is a poetic language.

....and who did such diverse work other than kabiguru Rabindranath Thakur in literature??....you may vary from my point,but yes cannot stir my belief.

Diversity is not a sign of greatness. Kabir is a better poet than Tagore, as is Ghalib. Premchand a better novelist in a regional language and Raja Rao a better writer in English.

Only a very few poets had the kind of volume that he had. shakespeare????

Shakespeare is the greatest playwright in the english language. His sonnets are not really my thing. According to me, the greatest poet the world has seen is Pablo Neruda.
 
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@Al-Zakir

Whatever may be the ethnical composition of the Bangali muslims, and however different ethnically we are from the hindus in the Bengal of both sides of the border, we speak the same language. Religion and a little ethnic difference may have divided us, but the language Bangla itself has given us a single platform. .

You as a student of history should be aware that our bangla used to be called urdu-bangla or Muslim bangla during sultanate due to different Islamic ethnic groups in military. Bangladeshi bangla heavily doped with Farsi, Arabic, central Asian Turkish whereas west Bengal bangla doped with Sanskrit. You can easily differentiate two bangla just like Urdu and Hindi.
If we could have used Arabic scripture than our bangla would have been much more Islamic but that is another story.

If Urdu and Hindi are different than bangla is also different in Bangladesh and west Bengal.


This language is an uniting factor. An endorsement from the Indian States of Assam, Tripura and west Bengal will certainly help the language to take the front seat in the UN

I disagree with you on this. Taking bharatis endorsement would make us less credible. We should do this alone even if this takes us 100 years. Please let’s not dilute our self anymore with this same platform with west Bengali Hindus. We are Bangladeshi Muslim and that should be our greatest pride. :tup:
 
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1) You as a student of history should be aware that our bangla used to be called urdu-bangla or Muslim bangla during sultanate due to different Islamic ethnic groups in military. Bangladeshi bangla heavily doped with Farsi, Arabic, central Asian Turkish whereas west Bengal bangla doped with Sanskrit. You can easily differentiate two bangla just like Urdu and Hindi.

1) Yes, you are very right about the nature of Bangla which was spoken in old times primarily by all the muslims whose forefathers had immigrated to Bengal. It was called actually MUSALMANI Bangla. First generation foreign muslims spoke their own language. Second and third generations had started to understand the local Bangla (you can call it GAUDI or GAURI, because this region was called by that name after its Capital).

So, they used to speak in a mixture of language, the words of which were borrowed from both Bangla and the languages of their forefathers who had settled in Bengal. However, muslims were not one time arrival. They came throughout the centuries from as far as Khorasan and as near as Delhi, Uttar Pradesh and Bihar. This is how Bangla became a very strong language during muslim period with the contribution from many different sources.

However, the language itself had started by the time when Gautam Budha died. The language in which the Budhist Vikkhus wrote their PADABALIs had elements of Bangla. Many such languages come into existence but then go into oblivion. But, somehow, Bangla survived. The foreign words the muslim immigrants brought with them only strenghhened this language.

However, the musalmani Bangla was spoken by both the religious groups. It became a common language for both. The Puthi Shahittya or Mymensingh Gitika were all written in this common language by both sects of writers. I do not have reference books to say about Nabin Chandra and Varat Chandra, but I think these later time writers also followed this Musalmani Bangla in their writings, same as muslim writers such as Shah muhammad Sagir, Daulat Kazi or Alaol did before them.

However, the modern Bangla has another story. It was in 1805 when the Fort William College was established in Calcutta by the British. The main purpose was to teach English to the native Indians. Another purpose was to teach Bangla to the Padres and Nuns who arrived here to spread Christianity.

Bangla teachers were recruited for this purpose. One Pundit named --------- Tarkalanker was made the Dean for Bangla Department. There were other Hindu Pundits to help him. Now, they faced one very difficult obstacle when they tried to teach Bangla to the whites.

What was that? They found that Bangla Bhasha had no GRAMMAR. And also, they could not find any essay, a prose or even a letter that was written in Bangla, although there were many poems (Puthi literatures) in this language. Not only that, they found that the Puthi poems did not have even a 'full stop,' a 'comma, a 'quotation mark,' or a 'semi-colon.'

These Hindu Pundits then sat together and built up these basics including the grammar. The grrammar written by them is very difficult and Pundit Iswar Chandra Vidyasagar simplified it at a later time. His grammer was then simplified again and again throughout one century. This is the grammar we find now-a-days.

When the basics were decided, then came out writers like Bankim Chandra, Iswar Chandra, Promoth Nath, Mir Musharaf Hossain. This was the starting point of MODERN Bangla, that did not make any extensive use of Musalmani Bangla words. A time came when Rabindranath Thakur recieved Nobel Prize, and Poet like Kazi Nazrul Islam and Novelist like Sharat Chandra Chatterjy contributed heavily to the Bangla literature.

Rabindra Nath Thakur alone introduced more than 7000 words in Bangla. These are from Sanskrit, but were simplified and Banglacized by him. The language changed its form from the one from Musalmani to Sanskritized Bankimi, then from Bankimi/Mir Musharraf Hossain to the simplified form that can be seen in the literatures created by Rabindra Nath, Nazrul and Sharat Chandra. In the process, many old musalmani Bangla words could not survive in the modern literature.

Language always changes and evolves. Bangla spoken still in the villages use more Arabic/Persian/Urdu/Hindi words than the people who live in the cities. A language cannot be stopped from evolving or from changing its form. Bangla is undergoing similar changes in a way when in the written literatures you will find fewer number of foreign muslim vocabularies as the days go by. It cannot be helped. Therefore, we must accept today's reality.

Very sorry for this too long post on Bangla language.
 
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1) Yes, you are very right about the nature of Bangla which was spoken in old times primarily by all the muslims whose forefathers had immigrated to Bengal. It was called actually MUSALMANI Bangla. First generation foreign muslims spoke their own language. Second and third generations had started to understand the local Bangla (you can call it GAUDI or GAURI, because this region was called by that name after its Capital).

So, they used to speak in a mixture of language, the words of which were borrowed from both Bangla and the languages of their forefathers who had settled in Bengal. However, muslims were not one time arrival. They came throughout the centuries from as far as Khorasan and as near as Delhi, Uttar Pradesh and Bihar. This is how Bangla became a very strong language during muslim period with the contribution from many different sources.

However, the language itself had started by the time of Gautam Budha died. The language in which the Budhist Vikkhus wrote their PADABALIs had elements of Bangla. Many such languages come out but then vanishes away into oblivion. But, somehow, Bangla did not. The foreign words the muslim immigrants brought with them only strenghhened this language.

However, the musalmani Bangla was spoken by both the religious groups. It became a common language for both. The Puthi Shahittya or Mymensingh Gitika were all written in this common language. I do not have reference books to say about Nabin Chandra and Varat Chandra, but I think these later time writers also followed this Musalmani Bangla in their writings same as muslim writers such as Shah muhammad Sagir, Daulat Kazi or Alaol did before them.

However, the modern Bangla has another story. It was in 1805 when the Fort William College was established in Calcutta. The main purpose was to teach English to the native Indians. Another purpose was to teach Bangla to the Padres and Nuns who arrived there to spread Christianity.

Bangla teachers were recruited for this purpose. Some Pundit named --------- Tarkalanker was made the Dean for Bangla Department. There were other Hindu Pundits to help him. Now, they faced one very difficult obstacle when they tried to teach Bangla to the whites.

What was that? They found that Bangla Bhasha had no GRAMMAR. And also, they could not find any essay or a letter that was written in Bangla, although there were many poetries in this language. Not only that, they found that the Puthi poetries did not have even a 'Full stop,' a 'comma' or a 'semi-colon.'

These Hindu Pundits then sat together and built up these basics including the grammar. The grrammar written by them is very difficult and Pundit Iswar Chandra Vidyasagar simplified it at a later time. His grammer was then simplified again and again. This is the grammar we find now-a-days.

When the basics were decided, then came out writers like Bankim Chandra, Iswar Chandra, Promoth Nath, Mir Musharaf Hossain. This was the starting point of MODERN Bangla. A time came when Rabindranath Thakur recieved Nobel Prize, and Poet like Kazi Nazrul Islam and Novelist like Sharat Chandra Chatterjy contributed to the Bangla literature.

Rabindra Nath thakur alone introduced more than 7000 words in Bangla. The language changed its form from the one from Bankimi/Mir Musharraf Hossain to the simplified form that can be seen in the literatures created by Rabindra Nath, Nazrul and Sharat Chandra. However, many old words known as musalmani Bangla words could not survive in this mdern literature.

Language always changes. Language spoken still in the villages use more Arabic/Persian words than the people who live in the cities. A language cannot be stopped from progressing or from changing its form. Bangla is undergoing similar changes in a way when in the written literatures you will find fewer number of foreign muslim vocabularies as the days go by. It cannot be helped. Therefore, we must accept today's reality.

Very sorry for this too long post on Bangla.

Don't be apologetic, part of idea of this forum is to learn about others.
 
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