Were the ancestors of MQM leaders the real founders of Pakistan?

[rockstar08]

I dont watch Pakistani TV dramas (used to watch PTV dramas in 90s when there was nothing much to watch). Some time ago , i watched an episode of a drama of private channel , shabir jan was the lead acting as some urdu nawab wearing turkish faiz.......and he had several wives. While all of his wives were normal, the punjabi one was depicted dumb and paindo, wearing typical punjabi dress, speaking punjabi.......and then there was this scene, Nawab sahab orders his punjabi wife to perform mujra for him and that she shouldnt stop unless ordered. The punjabi wife, depicted as mindless, continuously dance untill she lose consciousness from exhaustion. It was this Urdu nawab with faiz which caught my attention while browsing through channels and what i saw was the typical Karachiite way of looking at other people of pakistan.....narrowed and stereotyped.

you must be very desperate to watch drama and , more of that , comparing it with Reality lolz ...

 

[Sugarcane]

again you are missing the point ... either you dont want to understand or you are just too much ignorant ..
i have seen how Punjabi treat urdu speaking people , in Pakistan and in outside of Pakistan .... but the problem with you is that , you dont want to face the reality ... Punjabi support Punjabi , Sindhi Support sindhi and so on .. same goes with Urdu speaking people .. i feel shame in accepting things which i dont like about my community , but you think Punjabi's are saints from heaven than keep living in delusion ...

Where i said that Punjabis are saints? In fact i said that they even don't support each other abroad. It's you who are try to prove that all Urdu speakers are angels and all Punjabies are evils.

and again if you think i am creating stories , than you can believe whatever you can , only professional doctors can help you with that

Even professional doctors can't help brain washed superior kids who are raised with mindset that it's always fault of others.

and as i said if i open the culture of Punjab here ,, you have to run with your face covered ,

We own every good and bad with our culture unlike cry kids like you who always look for bogyman.

hat you think there are no punjabi living in Karachi ... you think that we never meet or talk with them ... you really need to get out from your fantacy and start living in real world .. yeah i do have issues with pashtoons and others too just like they have with us ...

And you think Urdu speakers only live in Karachi? Do others don't have interaction with Urdu speakers? I have no shame in acknowledging that most of Punjabies don't like target killer and bhatta khoor party and her supporters.

before lecturing someone , go and first change the mentalities of those Punjabi;s who still think Urdu speaking people as traitors , nobody is creating anything to bash punjbai , everything is open ...if you close your eyes that does not mean world cant see you .. its just you cant see them ...

If leaders threaten to break up Pakistan, call creation of Pakistan blunder and the followers justify these statements than don't expect kind words from others. You have to start respecting others and get out of delusion being superior if you want to be respect, it's simple and straight.

and as far as tasubana salook , go and read the history .... you will know ... do you even know why muhajir peoples have to stand up for their rights ?? do you know how much seats they get in Universities across sindh ... you are either a young boy , or just to ignorant to face reality

Now even Urdu speakers not getting seats in Sindh is fault of Punjabies.... And if you don't read partial history than where Urdu speakers faced troubles, they also got preference in getting govt. jobs in early years of Pakistan, and they had absolute control over bureaucracy for over two decades.

 

[rockstar08]

Where i said that Punjabis are saints? In fact i said that they even don't support each other abroad. It's you who are try to prove that all Urdu speakers are angels and all Punjabies are evils.



Even professional doctors can't help brain washed superior kids who are raised with mindset that it's always fault of others.



We own every good and bad with our culture unlike cry kids like you who always look for bogyman.



And you think Urdu speakers only live in Karachi? Do others don't have interaction with Urdu speakers? I have no shame in acknowledging that most of Punjabies don't like target killer and bhatta khoor party and her supporters.


If leaders threaten to break up Pakistan, call creation of Pakistan blunder and the followers justify these statements than don't expect kind words from others. You have to start respecting others and get out of delusion being superior if you want to be respect, it's simple and straight.



Now even Urdu speakers not getting seats in Sindh is fault of Punjabies.... And if you don't read partial history than where Urdu speakers faced troubles, they also got preference in getting govt. jobs in early years of Pakistan, and they had absolute control over bureaucracy for over two decades.

well no one is saying that urdu speaking people are saints .. but the problem with people like you is that you cant see the faults in your own ethnicity , but pointing fingers at other ... that is again the problem which lay within the heart of those paido Punjabi , who did not reach to level of Urdu speaking people so they throw out their frustration by cursing MQM and associating with entire urdu speaking community ...

in that way i can exactly that PMLN leaders watching mujra so basically all punjabi are into letting their women dance ?? hahahah as i said , i better not open my mouth or you cant face the mirror ...
urdu speaking people live everywhere , but many punjabi will stay your friends until they have some work with you, once the work is done , they wont even recognize you haha, its very usual thought within Karachi that Punjabi's are that way .. and its not just me but many people i meet, including pathan , baloch and Sindhi have similar thoughts .. if there is a fault do own it , and fix it rather than shooting the messenger hahaha

now again you are cursing MQM , go ahead do more .. as if i care ? i only like pervais musherraf ,as leader rest is just pussies ...

right now you are the one talking like a kid , denying the reality, living in delusion , calling made up stories to thing i have experience in life ... if something is not satisfying your ego doesnt mean its not truth , i have seen it and my own brother was victim of your punjabi mentality , he has lost his job , and right now another lahori is working on his position .. so this how your punjabi's are ... not all but there are many ...
plus look at the cricket team , who creates lobby within the teams , saeed ajmal , misbah , shoab malik , salman butt ... i can go on .. .prove me wrong ... its open secret to favor their people ... there are unlimited talent in other parts of Pakistan but PCB find it just within the wall of Punjab ... look at hockey ... now dont even try to argue with me on that because there is legend hockey player who is married to my first cousin hahaah ...so i know a lot more than you

i am not blaming punjabi for blunders of sindhi , but i was replying you that there were descrimination against urdu speaking people , which is now over ... but the problem is now change its form , now we dont care if a person is Pakistani , he should be punjabi , sindh , Balochi , Pastoon or Urdu speaker , than we help ...

you can live in fantacy world that " hum sab ek hai " etc etc but ground realities are different ...
again not all are bad , but the problem unless you accept the fault which is in our culture we can never fix it ...
there was some member posted a video here , some bunch of Punjabi abusing their own team on foreign land , if these low life dont have any respect , think about that this team Pakistan and our reaction in outside land can effect the reputation of Pakistan ...

i am openly telling you that i have 5-6 people from lahore in UAE openly calling Army as cowards , and corrupt ... now you can say that " oh no punjabi's cant say anything bad about army " and blah blah ...


and yes dont forget Pathans were not in favor of Pakistan , go and read about bacha khan ... and also Balochi , still they were not called traitors
if you are applying your fallen logic , than apply it to every ethnicity that oppose the creation of Pakistan ... and as for AH , he was not even born when Pakistan was created, if a drunk person say anything in front of some people that doesnt make it a verse of Quran ... Karachi people is more than MQM , grow up and see the reality ..

 

[Gazi]

I dont watch Pakistani TV dramas (used to watch PTV dramas in 90s when there was nothing much to watch). Some time ago , i watched an episode of a drama of private channel , shabir jan was the lead acting as some urdu nawab wearing turkish faiz.......and he had several wives. While all of his wives were normal, the punjabi one was depicted dumb and paindo, wearing typical punjabi dress, speaking punjabi.......and then there was this scene, Nawab sahab orders his punjabi wife to perform mujra for him and that she shouldnt stop unless ordered. The punjabi wife, depicted as mindless, continuously dance untill she lose consciousness from exhaustion. It was this Urdu nawab with faiz which caught my attention while browsing through channels and what i saw was the typical Karachiite way of looking at other people of pakistan.....narrowed and stereotyped.

It also shows how much Naive a person is how took them so seriously to consider it a view Point of certain segment of the Society. If that is your description of that certain serial then you should also look at what this Shabbir Jan was Depicted. He was Nawab and a cruel person or maybe Villain in that serial and since most of the viewer of our Dramas are women then this is going to depict Nawabs as Villain and Ayash people who have no respect for their Wives or Family.

It is scope of a person that matters as well because these Dramas arent for one segment of viewers rather they are tried for Several segment for better Ratings so just calling it as Urdu Speakers mindset towards rest of Pakistan is very wrong here because Urdu Speakers to most extent are not that Naive to take the fiction that seriously. If USA shows Russians as Villain or Muslims as Villain doesnt mean everyone in USA thinks that because their are lot of Muslims as well as Russians in USA and they also have Success Stories from respective Community. So instead of following fiction like its an approach of certain Segment view them as Entertainment just like Saas Bahu serials are entertainment for women in India but how much they are taken seriously is another story all together.

 

[Gazi]

Where i said that Punjabis are saints? In fact i said that they even don't support each other abroad. It's you who are try to prove that all Urdu speakers are angels and all Punjabies are evils.

Punjabis in Karachi integrate quite easily because of their lives in Urban areas and also because their thought process is very similar to Karachiite about different issues. The question of Prejudice that exist is mostly confined to rural once who still live with Prides of their Sir Names or their Caste. Punjab has these Problems while among Urdu Speakers its very low but Memon Migrants does contain something like that in Karachi.

Even professional doctors can't help brain washed superior kids who are raised with mindset that it's always fault of others.

There is big difference between Academic work and pointing out something in Society. Professional Doctors are required to think unbiased but they are not immune to Observe things exist in Society.

We own every good and bad with our culture unlike cry kids like you who always look for bogyman.

Even Urdu Speakers are not proud of Oranzaib Farooqui or any Terrorist that collaborate with wrong people but when it comes something Reactionary then their is a difference here and as for Punjabis then dont tell me how most look towards Musharraf even today as even today they put most of the Blames on all the bad things happening today. So it works both ways not just one side over do things.

And you think Urdu speakers only live in Karachi? Do others don't have interaction with Urdu speakers? I have no shame in acknowledging that most of Punjabies don't like target killer and bhatta khoor party and her supporters.

Even Urdu Speakers are not ashamed of Acknowledging that they dont like Target Killer but the difference appear when most Punjabis just target Certain Group and Urdu Speakers target people Across the board on whomever is doing that even Elements in our Law enforcement Agencies like Police.

If leaders threaten to break up Pakistan, call creation of Pakistan blunder and the followers justify these statements than don't expect kind words from others. You have to start respecting others and get out of delusion being superior if you want to be respect, it's simple and straight.

He isnt even taken Seriously by many of his Party members on many issues but it is in other segments where his words are taken Seriously in wrong way. That Biased not belong to Urdu Speakers or Karachiite because Karachiite are more Concerned with his words on Current Affairs then some Ideological Gibberish its people from Other areas who are concerned with his ideological Gibberish then Current Affairs that is why his words against Taliban was Ignored and he was Ridiculed but later proved to be Correct.

Now even Urdu speakers not getting seats in Sindh is fault of Punjabies.... And if you don't read partial history than where Urdu speakers faced troubles, they also got preference in getting govt. jobs in early years of Pakistan, and they had absolute control over bureaucracy for over two decades.

Urdu Speakers were never interested in getting rid of Musharraf but whole Pakistan was and we saw the Fruits in the form of PPP and PMLN brought to us by Liar's Movement that most of Pakistan Supported. They didnt get any PREFERENCES instead it was EXPERIENCE that played the part for them because they were part of Civil services in British period as well so they had Experience in working in Bureaucracy as well as Adequate Education and even they PROVED to be right Choice if you compare Pakistan during 1950-60s to how Pakistan is today or since 1970s.

 

[Sugarcane]

well no one is saying that urdu speaking people are saints .. but the problem with people like you is that you cant see the faults in your own ethnicity , but pointing fingers at other ... that is again the problem which lay within the heart of those paido Punjabi , who did not reach to level of Urdu speaking people so they throw out their frustration by cursing MQM and associating with entire urdu speaking community ...

I know faults of my ethnicity and never claimed to be superior. It's you who have delusion of being superior. And we don't consider you superior, almost every ethnicity settled in Punjab and is living without any problem proves that land and people living in Punjab are most accommodating - hence no whining about other communities . And MQM is gangster party, why people shouldn't curse them?

in that way i can exactly that PMLN leaders watching mujra so basically all punjabi are into letting their women dance ?? hahahah as i said , i better not open my mouth or you cant face the mirror ...

Dancing women and prostitution is probably one oldest profession and exist in every society, Read Aab-e-Gum of Yousafi, interesting book about Ghungroo culture.

urdu speaking people live everywhere , but many punjabi will stay your friends until they have some work with you, once the work is done , they wont even recognize you haha, its very usual thought within Karachi that Punjabi's are that way .. and its not just me but many people i meet, including pathan , baloch and Sindhi have similar thoughts .. if there is a fault do own it , and fix it rather than shooting the messenger hahaha

I already said Punjabis don't even cooperate with each others what's the point in repeating, and Urdu speakers are not any better either. But still far better than Punjabies in supporting their fallows than Punjabies.

i am not blaming punjabi for blunders of sindhi , but i was replying you that there were descrimination against urdu speaking people , which is now over ... but the problem is now change its form , now we dont care if a person is Pakistani , he should be punjabi , sindh , Balochi , Pastoon or Urdu speaker , than we help ...

you can live in fantacy world that " hum sab ek hai " etc etc but ground realities are different ...

I don't have any delusion of being one and acknowledge and respect the diversity, and don't have any respect for people who bad mouth and generalize my community.

again not all are bad , but the problem unless you accept the fault which is in our culture we can never fix it ...
there was some member posted a video here , some bunch of Punjabi abusing their own team on foreign land , if these low life dont have any respect , think about that this team Pakistan and our reaction in outside land can effect the reputation of Pakistan ...

Yeah, problems should be acknowledged before fixing. When you are going to acknowledge that superiority complex and bogyman mindset is also root cause of many problems?

Punjabies are hyper emotional - same people also dance and celebrate the victories and lift these players over their shoulders, i don't see anyone than complaining that why they are giving that much respect? after all it's just a sport? But if they express their anger and disappointment than they become low life.

i am openly telling you that i have 5-6 people from lahore in UAE openly calling Army as cowards , and corrupt ... now you can say that " oh no punjabi's cant say anything bad about army " and blah blah ...

Who said that no Punjabi talks bad about Army? Why you are assuming things?

and yes dont forget Pathans were not in favor of Pakistan , go and read about bacha khan ... and also Balochi , still they were not called traitors

if you are applying your fallen logic , than apply it to every ethnicity that oppose the creation of Pakistan ...

Unlike others where elected members decided fate, Pashtuns joined Pakistan after referendum - Baluch sardars also joined. Yeah some was not in favor, so do many Muslims from central India, that's why millions of Muslims are still in India. And nobody have any better feelings about Baluch insurgents as well.

and as for AH , he was not even born when Pakistan was created, if a drunk person say anything in front of some people that doesnt make it a verse of Quran ... Karachi people is more than MQM , grow up and see the reality ..

No body would have cared what drunken fat *** is saying, but people listening and clapping in his sermons are cause of concern. I will change my opinion the day superior Urdu speakers will have courage to form a new political party and vote it to power to through gangsters and corrupts out of power.

 

[Sugarcane]

Punjabis in Karachi integrate quite easily because of their lives in Urban areas and also because their thought process is very similar to Karachiite about different issues. The question of Prejudice that exist is mostly confined to rural once who still live with Prides of their Sir Names or their Caste. Punjab has these Problems while among Urdu Speakers its very low but Memon Migrants does contain something like that in Karachi.

Man nee to play smart, The people who stereotype Punjabies as paindu and ganwar do it irrespective of he is Urban or ruler. And what's the problem with carrying Sir names and tribe/caste names and taking pride in it? Even God says that He made people in tribes and families so that they can know each other. However you may criticize if someone claiming that his tribe/caste is superior than others.

Even Urdu Speakers are not proud of Oranzaib Farooqui or any Terrorist that collaborate with wrong people but when it comes something Reactionary then their is a difference here and as for Punjabis then dont tell me how most look towards Musharraf even today as even today they put most of the Blames on all the bad things happening today. So it works both ways not just one side over do things.

LOL!!! Believe me common Punjabi wouldn't have knew that Musharraf belongs to Urdu speaking community until MQM played this card. Punjabies also bash Zia and Kyani, what i am suppose to conclude from it?

Even Urdu Speakers are not ashamed of Acknowledging that they dont like Target Killer but the difference appear when most Punjabis just target Certain Group and Urdu Speakers target people Across the board on whomever is doing that even Elements in our Law enforcement Agencies like Police.

I am not talking about all Urdu speakers.

He isnt even taken Seriously by many of his Party members on many issues but it is in other segments where his words are taken Seriously in wrong way. That Biased not belong to Urdu Speakers or Karachiite because Karachiite are more Concerned with his words on Current Affairs then some Ideological Gibberish its people from Other areas who are concerned with his ideological Gibberish then Current Affairs that is why his words against Taliban was Ignored and he was Ridiculed but later proved to be Correct.

A drunk and sick jokers will not be taken seriously other than his followers.

Urdu Speakers were never interested in getting rid of Musharraf but whole Pakistan was and we saw the Fruits in the form of PPP and PMLN brought to us by Liar's Movement that most of Pakistan Supported.

And why you forgot that it was Musharraf who gave clean chit to everyone called NRO.

They didnt get any PREFERENCES instead it was EXPERIENCE that played the part for them because they were part of Civil services in British period as well so they had Experience in working in Bureaucracy as well as Adequate Education and even they PROVED to be right Choice if you compare Pakistan during 1950-60s to how Pakistan is today or since 1970s.

Out of 95 Muslim civil officers who opted for Pakistan only 25 had over 15 year experience, while majority was less than 10 year experience. Those early joiner gave preference to fallow community. Anyway you guys proudly claims how you were running bureaucracy till 70s and claim the credit of all successes but shift blame of all blunders of that period on Punjabies.

 

[Gazi]

Man nee to play smart, The people who stereotype Punjabies as paindu and ganwar do it irrespective of he is Urban or ruler. And what's the problem with carrying Sir names and tribe/caste names and taking pride in it? Even God says that He made people in tribes and families so that they can know each other. However you may criticize if someone claiming that his tribe/caste is superior than others.

That stereotype isnt that prevalent anymore are shifted to Pashtuns mostly. There is no Problem in carrying the Sir Name or feeling Pride in it but their is a difference when this Pride turns into Prejudice in a decision and I have witness that as well and from an ex Army Officer of all people.

LOL!!! Believe me common Punjabi wouldn't have knew that Musharraf belongs to Urdu speaking community until MQM played this card. Punjabies also bash Zia and Kyani, what i am suppose to conclude from it?

Zia was Punjabi from Haryana so he had no connection to Urdu Speakers what so ever so he would be bad Example for you when considering Musharraf. Musharraf is getting Lots of Blame from Punjab but he is well supported in Karachi not because of his Ethnic Routes(Even his Accent is Punjabi) but because of development and Peace while in Punjab there is no Substantial reason except for Prejudice because even that Lawyer's movement was run by his previous Crony instead of his long time Opponent so this suspicion is ethnicity is not completely Baseless.

A drunk and sick jokers will not be taken seriously other than his followers.

Some of his thoughts have been not only proven Correct but also at a very Crucial stages of a Country so it was mistake of rest of Pakistan to have Personality Prejudice in understand the Message because if his thoughts were given importance back then the situation would have been much peaceful today and today Sindh CM wouldnt had stopped IDPs from coming to Karachi citting the same reason which he cited during Swat Offensive.

And why you forgot that it was Musharraf who gave clean chit to everyone called NRO.

If he didnt would his opponent and rest of Pakistan had Accepted the results?Nawaz Sharif won from Punjab in 2008 Elections do you think his supporters who happens to be mostly from Punjab wpuld have Accept the result of 2008 Elections he was not allowed. Same goes for PPP in Sindh. He did that so that they and their Supporters dont Complain about Fake Democracy like today. So you should also know Whole Pakistan was Interested in it except mostly in Karachiite.

Out of 95 Muslim civil officers who opted for Pakistan only 25 had over 15 year experience, while majority was less than 10 year experience. Those early joiner gave preference to fallow community. Anyway you guys proudly claims how you were running bureaucracy till 70s and claim the credit of all successes but shift blame of all blunders of that period on Punjabies.

Those early Joiners didnt do that Institutionalized way like today instead they followed the Criteria of education which was mostly followed and it wasnt their fault that Pakistan's Literacy Rate was 20% back then and was completely Riddled by Feudal System. It was nothing like Institutional Discrimination like Quota System which was initially Introduce for ten years in 1970s but followed till now without any Rational Supporting it except for Self Interest of Fewer people attached to it. At least Urdu Speakers Speaks against it but Punjabis and others are completely Mute on it. So that is why Urdu Speakers have right to claim most of Development of Pakistan in 1950s to 1960s because they were Absolute Majority in Capital of Pakistan and also because they represented most in Bureaucracy not for prejudice but for Education.





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[rockstar08]

I know faults of my ethnicity and never claimed to be superior. It's you who have delusion of being superior. And we don't consider you superior, almost every ethnicity settled in Punjab and is living without any problem proves that land and people living in Punjab are most accommodating - hence no whining about other communities . And MQM is gangster party, why people shouldn't curse them?



Dancing women and prostitution is probably one oldest profession and exist in every society, Read Aab-e-Gum of Yousafi, interesting book about Ghungroo culture.



I already said Punjabis don't even cooperate with each others what's the point in repeating, and Urdu speakers are not any better either. But still far better than Punjabies in supporting their fallows than Punjabies.



I don't have any delusion of being one and acknowledge and respect the diversity, and don't have any respect for people who bad mouth and generalize my community.



Yeah, problems should be acknowledged before fixing. When you are going to acknowledge that superiority complex and bogyman mindset is also root cause of many problems?

Punjabies are hyper emotional - same people also dance and celebrate the victories and lift these players over their shoulders, i don't see anyone than complaining that why they are giving that much respect? after all it's just a sport? But if they express their anger and disappointment than they become low life.



Who said that no Punjabi talks bad about Army? Why you are assuming things?


Unlike others where elected members decided fate, Pashtuns joined Pakistan after referendum - Baluch sardars also joined. Yeah some was not in favor, so do many Muslims from central India, that's why millions of Muslims are still in India. And nobody have any better feelings about Baluch insurgents as well.



No body would have cared what drunken fat *** is saying, but people listening and clapping in his sermons are cause of concern. I will change my opinion the day superior Urdu speakers will have courage to form a new political party and vote it to power to through gangsters and corrupts out of power.

ok so since when i say i am Superior ?? do i look like Aryan ? or have blue eyes ??
and please dont talk about been superior , everyone in Pakistan know who think themselves superior .. your sardar, Wadera and Chaudry ... their culture , their everything ...
so stop assuming things ....

you know , MQM is gangster party , so what you think about ANP , PMLN , PPP and other banned organization lolz ? dude you are so cherry picking ... and you are also effected by this Hating syndrome ... you hate people so accept it ..
you are calling a entire party Gangster but again neglecting others ? remember 92 operation ? how many were criminals ? all ?? and how many were killed ?? think before you speak sir ...

just like you are generalizing their entire community and party , i can do the same ... matlab Main karun tu salaa character dheela hai ? hahahahah

been emotional is ok , but abusing your team in abroad is different , favoring your community but pulling legs of other is no emotional ... its Chu ****pa ...
even if a Urdu speaking person do it , i will criticize in a same way i do with punjabi , even if my own brother will do it , i will Criticize him ... i am not afraid of saying truth ...

yeah so when some Baloch or Pastoon are not in favors of Pakistan they are lone wolf but if a drunkard chutiya like AH say ,than you start criticizing the entire community ... you are even contradicting with your own statements ...

.....oh bhai , dont ack like a warrior , everyone is just care about their life , and why dont you make a party by replacing PMLN ,, they have shot 20 people outside PAT office ... and the list goes on ...please sir first do make some sense and than post something here ... you are keep contradicting to your own statement ...

 

[Sugarcane]

That stereotype isnt that prevalent anymore are shifted to Pashtuns mostly. There is no Problem in carrying the Sir Name or feeling Pride in it but their is a difference when this Pride turns into Prejudice in a decision and I have witness that as well and from an ex Army Officer of all people.

Maybe these days Pashtuns are main target but it doesn't mean that some change of heart happened and stereotype against Punjabies is gone, in fact this kind of stereotype exist against almost every community. You are living in your own world if you think that prejudice doesn't exist among Urdu speakers when they are decision makers or can influence decision.

Zia was Punjabi from Haryana so he had no connection to Urdu Speakers what so ever so he would be bad Example for you when considering Musharraf. Musharraf is getting Lots of Blame from Punjab but he is well supported in Karachi not because of his Ethnic Routes(Even his Accent is Punjabi) but because of development and Peace while in Punjab there is no Substantial reason except for Prejudice because even that Lawyer's movement was run by his previous Crony instead of his long time Opponent so this suspicion is ethnicity is not completely Baseless.

I gave example of Zia and Kyani because despite being Punjabi they get bashed. It's simple that they including Musharraf get blamed for their action and decision not their ethnicity. This victim card mindset is the reason which make you think that he is getting blamed because he is Urdu speaker, otherwise every ruler gets appreciations and blames, it's part of package. If you insist than i can also pose counter argument that Urdu speakers only support Musharraf because he is from their community otherwise they blame and bash Generals of other ethnicity.

Some of his thoughts have been not only proven Correct but also at a very Crucial stages of a Country so it was mistake of rest of Pakistan to have Personality Prejudice in understand the Message because if his thoughts were given importance back then the situation would have been much peaceful today and today Sindh CM wouldnt had stopped IDPs from coming to Karachi citting the same reason which he cited during Swat Offensive.

As said, doesn't matter his thoughts are proven correct or not, a drunk sick gangster is not taken seriously by anybody other than his followers.

If he didnt would his opponent and rest of Pakistan had Accepted the results?Nawaz Sharif won from Punjab in 2008 Elections do you think his supporters who happens to be mostly from Punjab wpuld have Accept the result of 2008 Elections he was not allowed. Same goes for PPP in Sindh. He did that so that they and their Supporters dont Complain about Fake Democracy like today. So you should also know Whole Pakistan was Interested in it except mostly in Karachiite.

That's lame excuse, Did people not vote for PML-Q when PML-N was thrown out? Is giving clean chits in criminal cases to improve own image justified? Even Musharraf himself don't defend his decision and acknowledge his mistake.

Those early Joiners didnt do that Institutionalized way like today instead they followed the Criteria of education which was mostly followed and it wasnt their fault that Pakistan's Literacy Rate was 20% back then and was completely Riddled by Feudal System. It was nothing like Institutional Discrimination like Quota System which was initially Introduce for ten years in 1970s but followed till now without any Rational Supporting it except for Self Interest of Fewer people attached to it. At least Urdu Speakers Speaks against it but Punjabis and others are completely Mute on it. So that is why Urdu Speakers have right to claim most of Development of Pakistan in 1950s to 1960s because they were Absolute Majority in Capital of Pakistan and also because they represented most in Bureaucracy not for prejudice but for Education.

Even with 20% literacy ratio, enough educated people would have been available to maintain ratios as per population, And nepotism is not any better than Quota system. We are already getting blamed for Punjabi dominance, why we should raise voice against quota -- it's equal to aa bail mairi maar ---, at-least now we can say that we are getting share as per our population. If without quota more candidate from Punjab succeeds in securing jobs than people with delusion of superiority will not accept that they failed on merit and will start accusing Punjab again, we were getting bashed because of our strength in armed forces (which also was based on merit) and had to reduce presence to satisfy cry babies. So we are ok with quota and without quota.

So that is why Urdu Speakers have right to claim most of Development of Pakistan in 1950s to 1960s because they were Absolute Majority in Capital of Pakistan and also because they represented most in Bureaucracy not for prejudice but for Education.

Sure, claim the developments of that period but also own the blunders including policies towards Bengalis and language tensions.

 

[Kabira]

Its simple, urdu speakers were oppressed minorty in their homeland. One can see how hindus treat muslims in those regions even now. While in Pakistan only in later phase people started to support muslim league. For most of the part punjabis were behind secular party known as unionist party. So urdu speakers support behind muslim homeland was logical.

So we can give urdu speakers credit for putting some sense in to punjabi muslims of unionist party and breaking them up. Uniost party leader even said he is punjabi first and muslim later. But urdu speakers/muhajirs were not sacrificing for greater good but to save their own a** in process. Lots of ethnic groups believe in fairy tales of their ancestors sacrifices.

 

[Sugarcane]

ok so since when i say i am Superior ?? do i look like Aryan ? or have blue eyes ??
and please dont talk about been superior , everyone in Pakistan know who think themselves superior .. your sardar, Wadera and Chaudry ... their culture , their everything ...
so stop assuming things ....

Read your posts again, to know who consider himself superior.

you know , MQM is gangster party , so what you think about ANP , PMLN , PPP and other banned organization lolz ? dude you are so cherry picking ... and you are also effected by this Hating syndrome ... you hate people so accept it ..
you are calling a entire party Gangster but again neglecting others ? remember 92 operation ? how many were criminals ? all ?? and how many were killed ?? think before you speak sir ...

I already stated i don't like any political party - it's you who despite claiming that you don't MQM still trying to justify their crimes.

just like you are generalizing their entire community and party , i can do the same ... matlab Main karun tu salaa character dheela hai ? hahahahah

I don't generalize Urdu speakers but sure do generalize MQM followers, they share same mind set. And stop being smart, generalization of people like you is not limited to Punjabies only, even in this thread it was you who started making such claims.

been emotional is ok , but abusing your team in abroad is different

Yeah it's not good, but that's why i called hyper emotional. As i said same people also give respect, give warm receptions, shower flowers and pick these players on their shoulders as well. Why at that time nobody criticize, after it's a mere victory in game nothing more? Phool k saath kaantay bhi hote hain bhai,

favoring your community but pulling legs of other is no emotional ... its Chu ****pa ...
even if a Urdu speaking person do it , i will criticize in a same way i do with punjabi , even if my own brother will do it , i will Criticize him ... i am not afraid of saying truth ...

Leg puling is in ghutti of Pakistanis but somehow you see this problem only in Punjabies, This is the mentality i have problem with.

yeah so when some Baloch or Pastoon are not in favors of Pakistan they are lone wolf but if a drunkard chutiya like AH say ,than you start criticizing the entire community ... you are even contradicting with your own statements ...

if i abuse leadership of Baloch insurgents, Balochs who doesn't share ideology with them will not start justifying or feel offended, If i abuse Talibans than Pashtuns who don't share ideology with them will not feel offended nor they will try to justify, So, why you feel that all community is included when i specifically criticize AH and cult that follows him?

.....oh bhai , dont ack like a warrior , everyone is just care about their life , and why dont you make a party by replacing PMLN ,, they have shot 20 people outside PAT office ... and the list goes on ...please sir first do make some sense and than post something here ... you are keep contradicting to your own statement ...

First, I am ganwar paindu, so don't bring down intellectual people to compare with me. Obviously being more educated class we can raise our expectations as well. Second, there are already dozens of political parties and people participate as an independent candidate from Punjab. But being paindu we are not able to come up with quality people, so looking up maybe you guys can do.

 

[Bratva]

Its simple, urdu speakers were oppressed minorty in their homeland. One can see how hindus treat muslims in those regions even now. While in Pakistan only in later phase people started to support muslim league. For most of the part punjabis were behind secular party known as unionist party. So urdu speakers support behind muslim homeland was logical.

So we can give urdu speakers credit for putting some sense in to punjabi muslims of unionist party and breaking them up. Uniost party leader even said he is punjabi first and muslim later. But urdu speakers/muhajirs were not sacrificing for greater good but to save their own a** in process. Lots of ethnic groups believe in fairy tales of their ancestors sacrifices.

You literally need to revisit your history lessons. Sufi's of Punjab namely Peer Jamat Ali shah, Peer Meher Ali shah and his sons after his death, Allama Iqbal were those who put sense in to Punjabis.

Peer Jamat ali Shah said to his followers that we will not pray the Janaza of those who will go against Quaid e Azam and don't give vote to him for Pakistan in 46 elections

 

[Kabira]

You literally need to revisit your history lessons. Sufi's of Punjab namely Peer Jamat Ali shah, Peer Meher Ali shah and his sons after his death, Allama Iqbal were those who put sense in to Punjabis.

But i guess they were inspired by urdu speakers and bengalis. Didn't bengali muslims first start muslim homeland movement? Logical since bengali muslims were also oppressed by minority hindus thanks to British. I think punjabis/pakistanis woke up in 40's.

For exemple this declaration written by punjabi Rahmat Ali and aso signed by couple of pashtuns was rejected by muslim leaders in 1933.

Mohd Aslam Khan (Khattak). President, Khyber Union.
Sheikh Mohd Sadiq (Sahibzada).
Inayat Ullah Khan (of Charsaddah). Secretary, Khyber Union

Now or Never; Are We to Live or Perish Forever? - Wikisource, the free online library

 

[rockstar08]

Read your posts again, to know who consider himself superior.



I already stated i don't like any political party - it's you who despite claiming that you don't MQM still trying to justify their crimes.



I don't generalize Urdu speakers but sure do generalize MQM followers, they share same mind set. And stop being smart, generalization of people like you is not limited to Punjabies only, even in this thread it was you who started making such claims.


Yeah it's not good, but that's why i called hyper emotional. As i said same people also give respect, give warm receptions, shower flowers and pick these players on their shoulders as well. Why at that time nobody criticize, after it's a mere victory in game nothing more? Phool k saath kaantay bhi hote hain bhai,



Leg puling is in ghutti of Pakistanis but somehow you see this problem only in Punjabies, This is the mentality i have problem with.



if i abuse leadership of Baloch insurgents, Balochs who doesn't share ideology with them will not start justifying or feel offended, If i abuse Talibans than Pashtuns who don't share ideology with them will not feel offended nor they will try to justify, So, why you feel that all community is included when i specifically criticize AH and cult that follows him?



First, I am ganwar paindu, so don't bring down intellectual people to compare with me. Obviously being more educated class we can raise our expectations as well. Second, there are already dozens of political parties and people participate as an independent candidate from Punjab. But being paindu we are not able to come up with quality people, so looking up maybe you guys can do.

you are again generalizing the entire MQM , which is not right .. not all MQM supporters are criminals , so many people are good and well educated but this issue is with Punjabi , so i understand your frustration lolz .. you are not the only person i meet who believe that all MQM supporters are criminal and murderers so everyone deserve to die right ? lol now go a head and kill like at least 1 million supporters on MQM .... this is best you can do right ? just like in 92 your punjabis had done ? creating a false flag and killing many ...
i have posted the link where the Gen himself say that Jinnahpur was fake ,, you are free to use google..

you are telling me that you dont support any party but continuously supporting PMLN ? you are high on drugs ? or you are just doing on purpose ? and as far as crimes are concerned , there are everyone involved in crime , including ANP ,PPPP, PMLN, JUI , JI , and even other religious parties, but unlike your punjabi representatives PMLN , no body support Taliban and organizations like LeJ and LeT ....

if pulling legs in ghutti of Pakistan doesnt mean its right ?? why dont you swallow this truth that everyone is just supporting their own Ethnicity , and there is no such thing called pakistani exist ... my experience was from Punjabi so i am saying it here , you may have experience with urdu speaker , so go ahead ,, tell us .. i wont be mad at you lol

i am not just hater of Punjabi , i bash everyone , who ever i find bad , i bash .. you can see my post ... so its enough to prove you wrong that my obsession is with punjabi's ...

if you are gawaar or paidu , there is no rocket science to understand this simple fact ..
and i am sure there are many good people in Punjab .. obviously majority is nice and good ... but the bad people are in numbers you cant neglect ..