Went for passport renewal today..

[Al Bhatti]

Complain to the authorities man, this thread is not for your complaints on how they scre*ed your name...

You have any problem if a Pakistani shares his experience with other Pakistanis on a Pakistani forum?

 

[SamantK]

You have any problem if a Pakistani shares his experience with other Pakistanis on a Pakistani forum?

The topic is not about name on your passport man, dont take it personal.. take it to a different thread is all I ask...

 

[ajtr]

To all pea sized Brains..

The declaration is not for Non-Muslims..Its for Muslims only..
If you are a Muslim you wont have any trouble in sighning the declaration..
If you are a non muslim you dont have to sign it....

Are muslims of Pakistan so insecure that they have to proclaim every time on every document like passport.

 

[Awesome]

How is your family name column?

The family name / surname column is not used properly in all except few Pakistani passports.

For example if your name is Muhammad Ali the employees in the embassy/consulate put Muhammad as first name and Ali as surname. They are screwing the surnames in the database.

My father and my grandfather have just one name unlike first names like Muhammad Ali and when he got the new computerized passport recently the passport had the following

First name: ABC
Father's name XYZ + Family name
Surname : father's name + family name !!!

When he inquired about the mistake he was told that it is as per his NICOP. In that card it showed his name as ABC and his father name as XYZ + family name. We did not find it wrong as it was as per the old manual passport first name = ABC , father's name = XYZ + family name as those passports did not have surname/family name column.

They then asked to amend the NICOP card and we did it as per what they wanted and the new card showed the first name as ABC + family name and father's name as XYZ + family name

we then applied for a revised passport and when we received it , the first name was ABC, father's name as XYZ + family name and family name column again showing family name!!!

In my previous company i saw that all the employees had their names screwed up as their actual names consists of two names like Muhammad Ali or
Muhammad Aslam and in the passport Muhammad is shown as first name and Ali / Aslam is shown as surname.

Really those guys at the embassy/consulate don't know the difference between a family name and a name??

A screwed fxcxed up database by NADRA.

I would like to see the details in the passport in English + Urdu and not just English, this is Pakistani passport and not the passport of an English country.

What about the ginormous lines at Dubai consulate?

 

[Zarvan]

Are muslims of Pakistan so insecure that they have to proclaim every time on every document like passport.

No its not about being insecure but exposing those who claim to be Muslims when they are not

 

[Meengla]

There was this huge uproar by the usual Mullah parties in the 70s, when Benazir's father, papa Bhutto got into the act to get some votes and declared Ahmedi's constitutionally non-Muslims.

Now an SOP was developed by the next leader (Zia) who was even closer with the Mullah parties, he first introduced religion field on the passport and then to ensure Ahmedis don't make it on it as Muslim he put this little declaration.

Bolded Part. We may be getting off-topic here a bit--or may be it is still relevant.
To this day I have yet to find a convincing, comprehensive analysis about what made ZAB turned toward the leftist populism of late 60's to the emphasis on Islam by mid-70's. My putative analysis is that:
1) ZAB was a thoroughly secular person. He may have had many faults but he was not a fundamentalist. I think he used 'Islam' by mid-70's to try to blunt the onslaught of the religious parties--parties supported by a considerable part of Pakistanis. Why there was tilt in Pakistan toward Islamist populism--I will try to very briefly address that next.
2) Governance in Pakistan was failing by mid-70s. While ZAB had the mandate to nationalize major industries there was bound to be a backlash. The opposition parties used the ever-elusive but omni-potent concept of 'Sharia' and 'Islam' to take advantage of the discontent in Pakistan. ZAB tried a few desperate, yet mostly cosmetic measures like banning alcohol, gambling etc and promised some cosmetic 'Islamic' measures but they were too little, too late, to save him. ** Never forget that the spearhead of anti-ZAB movement was the misuse of Islam. Those of us who saw the events of 1976/77 will remember the powerful slogan of 'Nizam e Mustafa' as the voice of the anti-ZAB opposition. He was still far too secular. He simply can't be blamed for the radicalization of Pakistan. Trust me: I have lived through ZAB era in an old-enough age**
3) There were probably external factors also in play in turning Pakistan toward a more 'Islamist' society. The Fall of Dhaka in 1971 must have left an identity crisis for which Islam was the cure. The Arab-Israel war of 1973, the successful Islamic Summit in Lahore in 1974. Even the 1973 Constitution was only made possible as a consensus document after ZAB had to please the right-wing parties.

Having said all this...Zia was still the curse from Hell which fell upon Pakistan. Had it been someone like Ayub or Musharraf they would not have resorted to try to social-engineer Pakistan. ***Zia even contemplated making Arabic as the national language of Pakistan in order to unite Pakistanis. Need I say more?**

 

[Zarvan]

Bolded Part. We may be getting off-topic here a bit--or may be it is still relevant.
To this day I have yet to find a convincing, comprehensive analysis about what made ZAB turned toward the leftist populism of late 60's to the emphasis on Islam by mid-70's. My putative analysis is that:
1) ZAB was a thoroughly secular person. He may have had many faults but he was not a fundamentalist. I think he used 'Islam' by mid-70's to try to blunt the onslaught of the religious parties--parties supported by a considerable part of Pakistanis. Why there was tilt in Pakistan toward Islamist populism--I will try to very briefly address that next.
2) Governance in Pakistan was failing by mid-70s. While ZAB had the mandate to nationalize major industries there was bound to be a backlash. The opposition parties used the ever-elusive but omni-potent concept of 'Sharia' and 'Islam' to take advantage of the discontent in Pakistan. ZAB tried a few desperate, yet mostly cosmetic measures like banning alcohol, gambling etc and promised some cosmetic 'Islamic' measures but they were too little, too late, to save him. ** Never forget that the spearhead of anti-ZAB movement was the misuse of Islam. Those of us who saw the events of 1976/77 will remember the powerful slogan of 'Nizam e Mustafa' as the voice of the anti-ZAB opposition. He was still far too secular. He simply can't be blamed for the radicalization of Pakistan. Trust me: I have lived through ZAB era in an old-enough age**
3) There were probably external factors also in play in turning Pakistan toward a more 'Islamist' society. The Fall of Dhaka in 1971 must have left an identity crisis for which Islam was the cure. The Arab-Israel war of 1973, the successful Islamic Summit in Lahore in 1974. Even the 1973 Constitution was only made possible as a consensus document after ZAB had to please the right-wing parties.

Having said all this...Zia was still the curse from Hell which fell upon Pakistan. Had it been someone like Ayub or Musharraf they would not have resorted to try to social-engineer Pakistan. ***Zia even contemplated making Arabic as the national language of Pakistan in order to unite Pakistanis. Need I say more?**

Zia time was the best for Pakistan the laws which he brought only secular traitors of Islam have problem with them who have always talked against Islam for pleasing Americans and the economy also improved in his time and as far as Qadyanis are concerned they are not Muslims and they should be treated as Minorities

 

[Al Bhatti]

What about the ginormous lines at Dubai consulate?

When i went for my passport renewal at the beginning of this year and as usual standing in the queue, I went to the policemen who were standing in front of the Egyptian consulate and overlooking the line in front of the Pakistani Consulate.

I asked them that you daily notice this line, is there any discussion going on between the consulate authorities and Dubai Police for solving the issue, keeping in view that this line is a security concern for both Police and consulate authorities. he said that as per the rules their job is to just make sure that no criminal act takes place like pick pocketing or anyone climbing the wall of the consulate or a brawl happening in the line. He asked me to complain with the consulate (he was smiling while saying this as he knows very well how the consulate is run). He said that even if the police will request the consulate authorities to arrange something to avoid the queue the consulate will reply that it is the consulate responsible on how to handle the crowd in the consulate and how the work is handled inside the consulate .

I went there at 6 -30 am and there was a long queue and only a certain number of tokens are released in one day (i don't remember exactly maybe it was around 400). some were in the queue since 4-30 am. When i was finally got inside the consulate compound after the being scanned by a hand held scanner and walking throught the metal detector at the gate (both of which were not working ) around 11 am i was comparing emirates ID process with Pakistani passport process

You can better tell how easy it is to get Emirates ID card which is far more advanced and having more features than the NICOP or Passport.

I have a NICOP card and computerized passport and when i went to renew the computerized passport, I saw a person taking finger prints be it new or renewal. I got my finger prints scanned and i asked the person taking the finger prints whether he is matching the finger prints or saving a copy of the finger print he said he is matching, i was smiling and thinking if it is really matching then in real world the whole process should be paperless and less time consuming as we should not be moving form one counter to another in total there were around 6 counters that i had to go to for the renewal of the Passport.

Also i had to pay some extra dirhams which was shown on the invoice/receipt as something relating to the parliament. The parliament which does not do anything good for the citizens.

Just imagine if a building or consulate comes up on the land between the Iraqi Consulate and the Pakistani consulate, how will the queue be managed

In short i will rate Pakistani consulate as one of the worst consulates (if not worst) in UAE if we take into consideration the revenue the consulate generates monthly.

Somebozo how is it in KSA?

 

[ice_man]

To all pea sized Brains..

The declaration is not for Non-Muslims..Its for Muslims only..
If you are a Muslim you wont have any trouble in sighning the declaration..
If you are a non muslim you dont have to sign it....



No we in UK had to declare our Religion this time round while filling in the electoral register form...It was mendatory and an arrestable offense not to declare it..

damn you just spoilt the trolling fun everyone was having!!

 

[mjnaushad]

I'm sure that you will not be asked for a declaration / pronouncement of a faith by any of the 'Christian' country if you suddenly decide that you are a Christian too ..

I'm sorry to hear that a state needs to protect your religious Identity instead of your oun belief... If being a believer of Bibal and Quran you claim to be the second version of Christian and want to declare yourself as such, will you be asked to disavow the Quran or the prophet is the question?

Because the world media is not forcing Christian to call Muslim a Christian sect. We as a Muslim state doing nothing wrong protecting our identity. Yes if we claim to be a secular state and then put this declaration that will be wrong.

 

[ice_man]

u guys might be surprised to knw that before coming on pdf i used to think that atleast the best thing about islam is that it does not discriminate among muslims....

well muslims don't but then again QADYANI are not muslims!

 

[RazorMC]

How hard is it to understand that there's no discrimination in stating your religion. A Muslim agrees to that declaration and an non-Muslim does not. Nobody's forcing anyone to sign either way.

The reason for the strict declaration is that Ahmadis still claim to be Muslims while rejecting core values of Islam. All it does is ensure people are honest about their religious background.

As far as the religion section is concerned, it's best removed from the passport altogether and if Saudi Arabia wants to prohibit non-Muslims from entering then they should have a declaration form like ours.

 

[ajtr]

No its not about being insecure but exposing those who claim to be Muslims when they are not

I wonder why one need to expose if other is not a muslim or if one is good or bad muslim.Don't you think none was given this right to pass judgement on others.Its all between that person and the Allah (swt).

 

[KingMamba]

IMHO it is not the job of the govt. to enforce the belief, they are better left to people who practice them.. Even then, denouncing their belief in a formal government document is a folly, unless for a specific purpose

In my own view the purpose of this was too inform the uninformed that what the qadiani were propagating was not Islam and for the most part it got that point across however they failed to mention that just because they are not Muslim that does not mean that they are any less than human.

 

[BATMAN]

Passport is a travel document and shall not be treated as a certificate of religion.

Those who declare non Muslim, enjoy tax benefits, dual vote and immunity from certain trade and crimes.