We should learn from Turkey and launch an offensive to liberate Kashmir.

[Maarkhoor]

I am all for you guys trying to invade kashmir but first you need to get off your backside and join the army , its so easy to want war when you loose nothing .
There seem to be children from both sides of the border who want to glorify war with out realizing the consequences of it to the average person in their respective country .

You don't know me so don't declare me child, secondly your army / Govt wants to change demography of Kashmir and already sent more than 20000 young boys out of the valley in different parts of India (jails "concentration camps"). If we don't act now next war will be imposed on us for AJK....You ministers already started to barking about that.
Our economy always and will be same but KSA and other Gulf countries investing huge in India means your economy will be much bigger in coming years hence your defense budget....We need war to liberate not only Kashmir but to destroy your economy as well.

 

[VCheng]

LOC

What happened to Pakistan after crossing the LoC in Kargil? Was it able to resist the international pressure? What would happen now in case there is another major conflagration on the LoC where either or both sides cross over?

 

[Tipu7]

One answer,

Our economy is a mess and will be, Indian economy is grooming and their defense purchases would leave us far behind in future so....

Have a war with India and destroy their economy....

Presence of nuclear weapons on both sides deny the possibility of capturing any vital territory by either side.

 

[Maarkhoor]

What happened to Pakistan after crossing the LoC in Kargil? Was it able to resist the international pressure? What would happen now in case there is another major conflagration on the LoC where either or both sides cross over?

India and Pakistan two different countries example is Siachin.....

UAE, KSA, Europe invested so much in India hence expect no reaction from them.

Presence of nuclear weapons on both sides deny the possibility of capturing any vital territory by either side.

Presence of Nuclear weapon with important people does not deter enemies.

 

[VCheng]

India and Pakistan two different countries example is Siachin.....

UAE, KSA, Europe invested so much in India hence expect no reaction from them.

Please keep in mind that India did not cross the LoC because the demarcation line was not specified except as "thence north to the glaciers" from the last demarcated point. As we saw from the Kargil disaster, the pressure to maintain the current LoC will be irresistible for both countries.

 

[Tipu7]

Presence of Nuclear weapon with important people does not deter enemies.

What type of argument is that?

 

[Maarkhoor]

Please keep in mind that India did not cross the LoC because the demarcation line was not specified except as "thence north to the glaciers" from the last demarcated point. As we saw from the Kargil disaster, the pressure to maintain the current LoC will be irresistible for both countries.

Indian plans are quite different as I said they are going to change demography of Kashmir and later force Pakistan to allow plebiscite and you know what could be happen if we do or in case if we don't agree?

What type of argument is that?

We are not doing anything for Kashmiris and allowed India to massacre Kashmiri Muslims by not not waging war on India despite we have nuclear weapons.
So impotent leadership can't ward off danger even they have nuclear weapons.

 

[VCheng]

Indian plans are quite different as I said they are going to change demography of Kashmir and later force Pakistan to allow plebiscite and you what could be happen if we do or in case if we don't agree?

The only eventual viable outcome is conversion of the LoC into a recognized international border, whenever that might happen. Until then the stalemate stays.

 

[Maarkhoor]

The only eventual viable outcome is conversion of the LoC into a recognized international border, whenever that might happen. Until then the stalemate stays.

So you are saying that we should legally allow India to massacre 80 million Kashmiri Muslims?

 

[VCheng]

So you are saying that we should legally allow India to massacre 80 million Kashmiri Muslims?

Where did I say that?

 

[Tipu7]

We are not doing anything for Kashmiris and allowed India to massacre Kashmiri Muslims by not not waging war on India despite we have nuclear weapons.
So impotent leadership can't ward off danger even they have nuclear weapons.

Nuclear Weapons are meant to deter wars, not to stop your neighbor from massacre of its own people living over a dispute territory.........
Nuclear Weapons purpose is to deny exactly what you are suggesting.

 

[-blitzkrieg-]

We should learn from Turkey and launch an offensive to liberate Kashmir.

Turkey is non-Nuclear Power country, don't have long range WMD but still ignores, force two superpowers and launched an offensive to create buffer / safe zone to safeguard its national interested.

We should immediately take similar actions against rabid Hindu regime not only to liberate Kashmir but also to avoid imminent war for IJK.

Pakistan can replicate this in Afghanistan not Kashmir.. Perhaps you don't understand what the operation is all about.also Kashmir is a nuclear flashpoint..

The only eventual viable outcome is conversion of the LoC into a recognized international border, whenever that might happen. Until then the stalemate stays.

Not really..
If India balkanizes.. things would look different...We have enough time to wait and see Indian economy tank..'

 

[VCheng]

Not really..
If India balkanizes.. things would look different...We have enough time to wait and see Indian economy tank..'

Economic collapse on either side could change the picture dramatically as you say, but it is not a likely outcome.

 

[zartosht]

Look

Both Pakistan and India are heavily armed states


In February India tried to do something simple but stupid and got humiliation for its efforts

When you are on the offence you take the RISK you will almost guaranteed take more casualties and lose more weapons in attack then when you are prepared and defending

The Indians are gutless which is why in 70 years they haven't proactively declared war, even though it took guts for Pakistan to do so we carried the risk in all the wars as the smaller state going on the offence


Today the masisive build up of both militaries will just mean a killing field, we need to ensure India as our eternal enemy and ensure we have no peace or friendship whatsoever with them, slashing trade and contacts and hurt them wherever and with whomever we can

But any idiotic idea of charging into Kashmir against a entrenched enemy is stupid, but it doesn't mean we can't take the gloves off for the ISI, support the people of Kashmir and energise our plans within india

wow.... imagine if every great general in history had that attitude?

Nader shah of Iran marched a relatively small army thru treacherous afghan lands, crushed the afghans, defeated a mongol army 6 times larger and took delhi....

As khashayar (xerxes) shah famously said "only by great risks can graet results be achieved"

Virtually evey single notable military campaign would have ended before it started if everyone had this defeatist attitude.....

stalin would literally have you shot if you spoke like that around him.

 

[hussain0216]

wow.... imagine if every great general in history had that attitude?

Nader shah of Iran marched a relatively small army thru treacherous afghan lands, crushed the afghans, defeated a mongol army 6 times larger and took delhi....

As khashayar (xerxes) shah famously said "only by great risks can graet results be achieved"

Virtually evey single notable military campaign would have ended before it started if everyone had this defeatist attitude.....

stalin would literally have you shot if you spoke like that around him.

Buddy Pakistan is 220 million strong, India is 1.4 billion yet Pakistan has struck India REPEATEDLY OVER 70 YEARS

We declared war
Initiated invasions
Took territory
Killed their soldiers
Shot down their jets (,most recently in February)

They are 7 times bigger in population, 3 and a half times bigger in population but Pakistan has never backed down against our enemy

Against the odds we developed enough nuclear weapons and missiles to wipe India off the face of the earth

Think about how many countries can do these things against such odds


The problem isn't courage, the Hindus are gutless if it was a straight fight then I would say grab your sword and let's kill some Hindus

In modern warfare however both India and Pakistan are armed to the fcuking teeth and the LOC is one of the most militarised boundaries on the planet (more so now then at any point in the last 70 years,)
If either of the sides decides to push the boundaries and push it's forces over the LOC then those forces will face barrel load of modern weaponry and bombs targeted against them

Both sides are too strong and it's why our wars have been stalemate for 70 years

Pakistan being the much smaller state has done exceptional against its enemy, Pakistan is a loaded gun pointed at India's head and India has done incredibly poorly dealing with a smaller country

So as much as I want to and have no qualms about slaughtering the Hindu bastards, both sides have near enough countered each other by building up their militaries


And I repeat
India got 40+ soldiers killed in February
They tried to be smart and tried a limited strike betting it wouldn't spark war and got their military installations bombed by Pakistan in response
They had a Mig 21 and Su30 shot down
And they shot down their own helicopter and killing 6 officers in panic

All India got was humiliation