We hate the CCP but love Chinese people is bullsh*t

[fallstuff]

China's 100 years shame because China was geographically isolated from west world. Science was not introduced to China until beginning of 20th century. And you probably know in the first half of 20th century China was in chaos.

CCP won the civil war not because of Stalin's support. KMT got more weapons from Japanese. Most Japanese armies surrendered to KMT, not CCP.

From 1949 to 1979, China was under US strict sanction. Just like today's Iran.

Great post.
It is believed that one of the largest stash of surrendered weapons were in Manchuria, where Japanese Kwangtung Army had 13 divisions. They surrendered to the Soviet forces who in turn handed over the weapons to Mao.
Yes Asia paid dearly for neglecting education specially science. I applaud the fact that China is racing ahead in education as far as science in concern.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

China's 100 years shame because China was geographically isolated from west world. Science was not introduced to China until beginning of 20th century. And you probably know in the first half of 20th century China was in chaos.

CCP won the civil war not because of Stalin's support. KMT got more weapons from Japanese. Most Japanese armies surrendered to KMT, not CCP.

From 1949 to 1979, China was under US strict sanction. Just like today's Iran.

Chinese have very high standards. For us, merely being weak or backwards is humiliation, which is why we have 100 years of shame.

But for other countries, even being conquered, enslaved by foreigners and seen as property for 200+ years, is nothing to be ashamed of.

You must have shame to feel shame.

 

[Dungeness]

Chinese have very high standards. For us, merely being weak or backwards is humiliation, which is why we have 100 years of shame.

But for other countries, even being conquered, enslaved by foreigners and seen as property for 200+ years, is nothing to be ashamed of.

You must have shame to feel shame.

Some member here is calling China "the biggest s**thole of the known universe well into the 1980s". It just blew my mind. I mean how fxxked up one's mind can be to come up with this statement in light of his own capital city even today?

Sense of shame is reserved for the proud people.

 

[CAPRICORN-88]

China's 100 years shame because China was geographically isolated from west world. Science was not introduced to China until beginning of 20th century. And you probably know in the first half of 20th century China was in chaos.

CCP won the civil war not because of Stalin's support. KMT got more weapons from Japanese. Most Japanese armies surrendered to KMT, not CCP.

From 1949 to 1979, China was under US strict sanction. Just like today's Iran.

The Nationalist Party KMT did obtain some of their military supplies airflown from USA but General Chiang used to them fight the Mao peasant army.

This invoked the displeasure of many of his own generals, the patriots hence they kidnapped him to negotiate ceasefire pact and peace with Mao CPC.

It is also true some of the kMT warlords who were in coercion with the Japan got some of the weapon supplies from Japan.

The real Soviet Red was not that generous as yoi assumed. Mao China had to pay for every hardwares they obtained from Soviet Union during the Korean War.
That lead to disastrous events in China histories like The Great Leap Forward, Cultural revolution, etc that cause so much suffering. All done just to repay debts to Soviet Union.
USA did their part by sanctioning China during the famines and floods. Canada and Australia were not even allowed to supply wheat to China.
The Western Propagandist blamed Mao but the real hidden murderers was USA and its allies.
IMO China News Media should produce more and more documentaries for all to see view and understand.

 

[kankan326]

Great post.
It is believed that one of the largest stash of surrendered weapons were in Manchuria, where Japanese Kwangtung Army had 13 divisions. They surrendered to the Soviet forces who in turn handed over the weapons to Mao.
Yes Asia paid dearly for neglecting education specially science. I applaud the fact that China is racing ahead in education as far as science in concern.

In 1945 Soviet Union and KMT signed a treaty. In which KMT accepted independence of Mogolia, in return Stalin promised Soviet Union would not support CCP once China's civil war broke out. After Japan surrendered, Soviet Union moved all valuable equipment and assets in Manchuria to its own country. Yes. CCP got some Japanese weapons. But these weapons were still very shabby compared US armed KMT armies( Those KMT armies in Manchuria were US armed and trained. Who once fought Japanese in Inida and Burma).

After Korea War an American general once said to a KMT general: " I used to look down on you guys cause you lost to communists in just 3 years. Now I have to say you did pretty well cause you can resist communists for 3 years.

South Korea and Japan gained economic success at the cost of losing their sovereignties to US. But we all know US set a ceilling for them. CCP gained full sovereignty at the cost of decades of suffering poverty and US saction. And CCP is such a tactical master that it could grasp the very narrow window time to develop China's economy. China has infinite potentiality.

 

[fallstuff]

Ah so you are now saying that all a government has to do to get economic growth is to do nothing at all.

How did that work out for Bangladesh or Somalia?

We had a guy named Mujib who was following Mao's steps, He starved to death a few hundred thousand people ( some say a million ) before a coup put an end to it.

I tell you what the Government does ,
IT DOES NOT KILL ITS OWN CITIZENS BY THE 10'S OF MILLIONS
Government does not tell its citizens how many kids to have, does not lock up its minorities to indoctrinate in its Religious ( read communist) values.

i can take on ten posters like you, what you do all day long I do it by accident !
Dude you lost, admit it, and BEAT IT.

 

[CAPRICORN-88]

The only problem is this source of this unequal treaty "The Agreement of General Settlement on the Questions between RoC and Soviet Union" supposedly in between 1918 and 1925 (Not 1945) was authored by one man named Elleman in BC Canada.
When posed with the question for hard evidence, he conveniently blamed it on the CPC claiming all the documents were destroyed by them in other words, empty words.

It is a fact that Mao Tze Dong had often asked Stalin when Soviet Union is going to return Outer Mongolia back to China.
Mao repeated his calls with Stalin's successor Nikita Khrushchev resulting in a fallout in 1960. These are historical facts that Russia did not denied.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

We had a guy named Mujib who was following Mao's steps, He starved to death a few hundred thousand people ( some say a million ) before a coup put an end to it.

I tell you what the Government does ,
IT DOES NOT KILL ITS OWN CITIZENS BY THE 10'S OF MILLIONS
Government does not tell its citizens how many kids to have, does not lock up its minorities to indoctrinate in its Religious ( read communist) values.

i can take on ten posters like you, what you do all day long I do it by accident !
Dude you lost, admit it, and BEAT IT.

I see, the crowning achievement of your life is being good at shit posting on internet. Almost like how you are proud that your country suffers military coups.

Maybe winning arguments by copy paste media statements with no proof.

 

[Nan Yang]

I really don't understand the obsession to turn CCP in some kind of "saint",.
Japan was nuked and destroyed in 1945 but it came back to where it is today and it did not need CCP. South Korea and Singapore was absolute s*** hole in 1945, they are no longer s*** holes and they did not need CCP.

My point is that Chinese people are hard working people, however the first 30 years of its existence CCP strangled China. Deng Xioping realized that CCP needs to stay out of people's lives for economic growth. America helped China by providing education to 250,000 students and in return China trained Afghan Mujahedeen.

Unfortunately CCP also trained Uyghurs to go and fight in Afghanistan.

I disagree. In 1949 Mao inherited a China that was devastated by years of civil war, war against warlord and war against Japan. On top of that, KMT had fled with all of China's gold bullion to Taiwan, a small province of less than 20million.

Japan was already a develop country with an educated population after they lost the war. So for them to rebuild was easier. China was more a 4th world country. So I would not compare 1949 China with Japan.

Taiwan actually escape most of WW2 without being bomb much. Taiwan was also a relatively developed by Japan as a model of Japanese colony to show to the world. Taiwan also developed the most under CKS dictatorship as expected with all of China's stolen treasure.

China's development in the last 40 years is unheard of. It cannot be compared. Not just the infrastructure like high speed rail, roads, ports and bridges. But also in space, sports, deep sea exploration, high tech like super computers, 5G, cell phone etc.

ALL THESE DOES NOT HAPPEN BY ACCIDENT. This is because China is obviously run by smart people chosen by a very competent CCP.

Just look at the US political system. If you think there is nothing wrong with the US political system, you need to wake up and smell the coffee.

I can't wait to watch the US senator race coming in about 1 year. Cant wait to see the politicians throw shit, lie and blame at each other for all of US problems. Like illegal immigration, fragmented medical system, the out of control Covid spreading, police reforms, BLM, homeless population that is now also too big to solve.

It all boils down to good governance. Visited China several times, its about those little things you notice that tell you all you need to know about the CCP. The clean streets including the back streets. There are no clutter on the walkways. People are well dressed, well fed even in poorer provinces like Yunnan and Sichuan (Even Tibetan Janitors in JuiZhaiGou when work finish changed to their nice winter coats to go home) . Not to mention, it was safe to walk at night in dark back street too. Yes, in LiJiang, Yunnan, Me and my wife walk all the way from my hotel to the 1000 years old ancient city at night holding a tourist map and yes using GOGGLE MAP !

 

[fallstuff]

I disagree. In 1949 Mao inherited a China that was devastated by years of civil war, war against warlord and war against Japan. On top of that, KMT had fled with all of China's gold bullion to Taiwan, a small province of less than 20million.

Japan was already a develop country with an educated population after they lost the war. So for them to rebuild was easier. China was more a 4th world country. So I would not compare 1949 China with Japan.

Taiwan actually escape most of WW2 without being bomb much. Taiwan was also a relatively developed by Japan as a model of Japanese colony to show to the world. Taiwan also developed the most under CKS dictatorship as expected with all of China's stolen treasure.

China's development in the last 40 years is unheard of. It cannot be compared. Not just the infrastructure like high speed rail, roads, ports and bridges. But also in space, sports, deep sea exploration, high tech like super computers, 5G, cell phone etc.

ALL THESE DOES NOT HAPPEN BY ACCIDENT. This is because China is obviously run by smart people chosen by a very competent CCP.

Just look at the US political system. If you think there is nothing wrong with the US political system, you need to wake up and smell the coffee.

I can't wait to watch the US senator race coming in about 1 year. Cant wait to see the politicians throw shit, lie and blame at each other for all of US problems. Like illegal immigration, fragmented medical system, the out of control Covid spreading, police reforms, BLM, homeless population that is now also too big to solve.

It all boils down to good governance. Visited China several times, its about those little things you notice that tell you all you need to know about the CCP. The clean streets including the back streets. There are no clutter on the walkways. People are well dressed, well fed even in poorer provinces like Yunnan and Sichuan (Even Tibetan Janitors in JuiZhaiGou when work finish changed to their nice winter coats to go home) . Not to mention, it was safe to walk at night in dark back street too. Yes, in LiJiang, Yunnan, Me and my wife walk all the way from my hotel to the 1000 years old ancient city at night holding a tourist map and yes using GOGGLE MAP !

I agree it boils down to good governance. it can be any form of government. It can be a poor one, but as long as it plays fair, maintain law and order.
I will admit that Chinese folks have a neck about doing things in epic scale. Great wall, One child law, three , gorges dam, and of course Great Firewall are all good examples.

However blaming Chinese culture for CCP failure is unfathomable. There is no example in the history like that. Chinese people followed CCP instructions to the letter. What is even worst is attempt to scrub it off from Chinese life.

 

[Paul2]

Chinese citizen owe what they have to CPC great leadership and management.

Work harder

 

[zectech]

The real Soviet Red was not that generous as yoi assumed. Mao China had to pay for every hardwares they obtained from Soviet Union during the Korean War.
That lead to disastrous events in China histories like The Great Leap Forward, Cultural revolution, etc that cause so much suffering. All done just to repay debts to Soviet Union.

This makes sense because at that time the Soviet Union was zionist controlled. Meaning the banker zionists owned Washington and Moscow. A jewish American stated in the early 1960s, that Moscow was run by 40K little jews in Moscow. That jew Mr Freedman worked with the zionists to get Wilson into WWI and side with the nazi-jewish alliance.

When the USSR came out as really and strongly anti-zionist in the 1960s with Brezhnev... both zionist jews and nazis from London and Washington conspired to destroy the the USSR. It had gone out of control of the bankers, and was a real danger to the zionists and nazis.

Stalin was no Lenin, and neither was Khrushchev.

 

[Nan Yang]

I agree it boils down to good governance. it can be any form of government. It can be a poor one, but as long as it plays fair, maintain law and order.
I will admit that Chinese folks have a neck about doing things in epic scale. Great wall, One child law, three , gorges dam, and of course Great Firewall are all good examples.

However blaming Chinese culture for CCP failure is unfathomable. There is no example in the history like that. Chinese people followed CCP instructions to the letter. What is even worst is attempt to scrub it off from Chinese life.

 

[Nan Yang]

I agree it boils down to good governance. it can be any form of government. It can be a poor one, but as long as it plays fair, maintain law and order.
I will admit that Chinese folks have a neck about doing things in epic scale. Great wall, One child law, three , gorges dam, and of course Great Firewall are all good examples.

However blaming Chinese culture for CCP failure is unfathomable. There is no example in the history like that. Chinese people followed CCP instructions to the letter. What is even worst is attempt to scrub it off from Chinese life.

You are hard to understand.

Anyway one thing that is characteristic of Chinese people, is about being practical and pragmatic. The CCP made mistakes but is quick to learn from their mistake. The CCP, through trial and error has become very effective and efficient in solving many of China's problems. And this learning from mistake and adapting is a continuous process forever. There is no such things as a means to the end which is what the West preaches.

Quote
"There is only one constant in this universe. And that constant is CHANGE" . I-Ching The book of change.

But make no mistake, if CCP does not deliver the Chinese people themselves will rise again. If you study Chinese history, it's the only civilization where there are revolt led by peasants. Mao himself was a son of a peasant.