We Don’t Seek Benevolence, But Don't Malign us Either – Part II - Saf Shikan-1.

[VCheng]

That ship sailed long back my friend. Actual Ground positions is what matters at this time. And like rest of Kashmir, status quo is unacceptable to Pakistan, where as deviation from it does not work for India. Hence the conundrum

Both sides have to give and take if there is to be progress. Digging in (no pun intended) will not achieve much for peace and progress.

 

[Xeric]

That ship sailed long back my friend. Actual Ground positions is what matters at this time. And like rest of Kashmir, status quo is unacceptable to Pakistan, where as deviation from it does not work for India. Hence the conundrum

That's convenient, eh.

 

[halupridol]

That's convenient, eh.

true, siachen n convenience dont go along...
but the current status quo surely is to our liking.

 

[VCheng]

true, siachen n convenience dont go along...
but the current status quo surely is to our liking.

In the long run, maintaining the status quo is easier for India to manage and consolidates its hold even further. Surely Pakistan must realize that early progress towards an acceptable solution is more to its advantage than India's.

 

[Xeric]

true, siachen n convenience dont go along...
but the current status quo surely is to our liking.

Your liking, eh. You forget that what's in your liking is in our disliking.

But this time we make an exception as you continue to spend thrice as we do to maintain troops at Siachen. Now spare me the usual chest-thumping of 'we can afford it, can you?'

Sir, we can too, but who's suffering more casualties (in terms of men, material and finances) there is the right question to ask.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Let's go even further back. Both countries should sit down and clarify what "thence northward to the glaciers" from NJ9842 actually means rather than this pointless stalemate.

I agree.. looks like the flagstaff meetings of my father after the ceasefire in 71 in roughly the same area lost their value over time.
when he is in the mood he recounts his part as a Caption in Karakuram scouts before during and after the war .. the meetings with the Indians after the war and all. thats something now I must share too but will have to get the old man to talk when he is in the right mood. like @Xeric is also a gunner.

 

[VCheng]

I agree.. looks like the flagstaff meetings of my father after the ceasefire in 71 in roughly the same area lost their value over time.
when he is in the mood he recounts his part as a Caption in Karakuram scouts before during and after the war .. the meetings with the Indians after the war and all. thats something now I must share too but will have to get the old man to talk when he is in the right mood. like @Xeric is also a gunner.

Making any progress over the many issues of the LoC and AGPL will require fresh new thinking, a commodity that seems to be non-existent on both sides, as the costs keep mounting ever higher for both nations.

 

[halupridol]

In the long run, maintaining the status quo is easier for India to manage and consolidates its hold even further. Surely Pakistan must realize that early progress towards an acceptable solution is more to its advantage than India's.

i think couple of decades without war,,,normal trade relations,,n death of old warriors(who still cry partition),,,n voila ,we have atmosphere for peace talks.things will be better

 

[VCheng]

i think couple of decades without war,,,normal trade relations,,n death of old warriors(who still cry partition),,,n voila ,we have atmosphere for peace talks.things will be better

That might work, but economic pressures will likely intervene sooner than those items falling into place as you describe.

 

[halupridol]

Your liking, eh. You forget that what's in your liking is in our disliking.

But this time we make an exception as you continue to spend thrice as we do to maintain troops at Siachen. Now spare me the usual chest-thumping of 'we can afford it, can you?'

Sir, we can too, but who's suffering more casualties (in terms of men, material and finances) there is the right question to ask.

what do u expect of IA,,,,?
vacate siachen?

 

[Xeric]

what do u expect of IA,,,,?
vacate siachen?

What do you think?

Dear, your tactic of barging into an area that never belonged to you, then sitting on it while both the sides suffer, and then one fine morning saying let's forget the past, what is done is done is getting old.

 

[Jungibaaz]

My God, @Xeric, that bought a tear to my eyes.

How lucky are we to have and had, and to continue producing such men.

 

[VCheng]

what do u expect of IA,,,,?
vacate siachen?

That would be very nice, but highly unlikely.

 

[halupridol]

What do you think?

Dear, your tactic of barging into an area that never belonged to you, then sitting on it while both the sides suffer, and then one fine morning saying let's forget the past, what is done is done is getting old.

sir,what i think,,,,I've already expressed,,,,healing takes time.

That might work, but economic pressures will likely intervene sooner than those items falling into place as you describe.

economic pressure??

 

[VCheng]

economic pressure??

It take a lot of resources to maintain such an expensive stalemate for both sides, but Pakistan's economy is clearly buckling while India's is merely struggling. A few years will change much in this regard, regardless of the lofty claims being made.